EOS 5D Mark III Replacement Talk [CR2]

[JLRoyal42]

There seems to be an expectation or underlying current of knowing that Canon will deliver a DSLR that has a "more" of something this year however it remains to be seen if that "more" translates into a good enough IQ increase that it will distract people from Sony.

Some people posting on Internet forums do certainly seem 'distracted by Sony'. However, that sort of thing doesn't seem to be having a big impact on people actually buying cameras. Which group do you think matters to Canon? :

It is only a matter of time before Sony turns the "distracted by Sony" into "buying Sony."

People won't be happy with themselves if they've been thinking "wow, that Sony produces the nicest pictures" and then end up buying something else.

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Every time I log onto a social media I'm seeing more and more posts saying "Selling my Canon, Just got a Sony A7R/S" which does seem to have an overall impact on people who are buying cameras.

 

[LukasS]

people read Canon's conservative behaviour as not being capable of delivering a camera that will exceed Sony's capability

I don't read Canon's behavior as not being capable. As someone mentioned it before - dSLR is a business, and as a business it has to be profitable in the long run. By being very innovative and putting new features or upgrades to your products your R&D costs are high and that makes business more risky adding to that uncertainty of the market response to these it may be to huge risk during this time.

I'm for one looking for reliable product, I could have all the features in the world and with faulty product those images would be terrible or not taken at all (as in case of Olympus' OMD EM-5 during my trip in October 2014), the next thing is then image quality/pricing.

With quick innovation you can ran out of ideas also - and it's even worse case. There is natural progress to these things and we might loose ourselves in the hate for Canon because we use their products to the fullest (and want more!) but please do remember that the market is BIG and those hating/complaining aren't complete set of views.

 

[Orangutan]

Every time I log onto a social media I'm seeing more and more posts saying

That's all I need to read. Look at the sales numbers, not social media.

 

[LukasS]

I'll agree with the second sentence but not the first. After all, isn't it better to make the changes before losing market share rather than after? Mismanaging major technological transitions drove Kodak into bankruptcy.

I respect what you're saying, but the difference is that Canon knows it's coming, and likely has the tech on the shelf to compete very quickly.

I think that is the case, their R&D certainly knows what is doing and by postponing release of new features or upgrades they have more time for improvements and also to see if the feature is really appreciated and not just marketing disaster.

 

[Synkka]

It would be an interesting split to make multiple 5d cameras. While this would appeal to enthusiasts I wonder what the impact would be on the cost oer moeldue to economies of scale. Additionally if the split was the done in the 5d models I wonder how that will impact the 1d line.
Still an interesting rumor and I look forward to seeing how it plays out.

I still don't buy into the Sony dominating the market place, I see hardly any sony cameras around and even the people on the forum here seem to only vaguely threaten to swap to sony but never actually do. I think sony makes good sensors but poor camera systems. Further more I think canon would be more concerned about the general drop in camera sales compared to a loss of market share, at this stage.

 

[LukasS]

It is only a matter of time before Sony turns the "distracted by Sony" into "buying Sony."

My business partner has this saying that out of 5 potential clients one will for sure buy our products, one for sure will not and the rest are up to persuasion .

So the first to choose Sony are those that don't care about Canon innovation.

 

[Loswr]

It is only a matter of time before Sony turns the "distracted by Sony" into "buying Sony."

Or it's only a matter of time before Sony abandons the line. Distracted by Betamax. Distracted by Vaio.

 

[erjlphoto]

It's hard to imagine three different versions.

 

[PVS]

Out of curiosity - why does every "new canon camera coming" thread turns into a Sony debate?
I love my A7 and I love my 5Dmk3, and each of them has it's space in my workflow - OF THEIR OWN.

Of apples and oranges, and why I love both.

 

[Orangutan]

Out of curiosity - why does every "new canon camera coming" thread turns into a Sony debate?

Of apples and oranges, and why I love both.

Because some people become angry that Canon apples don't taste like oranges.

 

[PVS]

Indeed and if Sony can put 5 axis IBIS into the A9 like they did the A7II then all of my lenses without IS become IS lenses even with a metabones adapter. What's not to love about that boost of usability in my lens investment?! Sony recognise AF as being a key issue for them to address so it will be interesting to see what they deliver! On top of which I won't have to wait half a century for improvements to be delivered with Sony.

I think you should have looked into Pentax then, they had IBIS yeaaaaars ago. And a huge legacy of lenses.

 

[Loswr]

Indeed and if Sony can put 5 axis IBIS into the A9 like they did the A7II then all of my lenses without IS become IS lenses even with a metabones adapter. What's not to love about that boost of usability in my lens investment?! Sony recognise AF as being a key issue for them to address so it will be interesting to see what they deliver! On top of which I won't have to wait half a century for improvements to be delivered with Sony.

I think you should have looked into Pentax then, they had IBIS yeaaaaars ago. And a huge legacy of lenses.

I saw two Pentax dSLRs being used by parents at my daughter's school Christmas pageant last month. Two. Canon had better watch out or Pentax will destroy them. ;D

 

[mjbehnke]

So, will this be a Canon Sensor, or are they getting it from someone else? With all the rumors of looking at Med. Format, getting the best sensor, etc... I'm just wondering if they are making this sensor or if it's coming from another company?

Thanks!
Matthew

 

[Maiaibing]

the fact that Canon suffered double digit falling DSLR sales in 2012/13 and again in 2013/14.

How did that compare to their competitors?

Blank... if you read my post all the way it continues: "I do not know how Canon is doing measured on market share".

 

[Maiaibing]

That's all I need to read. Look at the sales numbers, not social media.

OK. Canon DSLR sales are nose-diving since 2012/13... and your conclusion is...???

 

[eml58]

Canon must be desperate to avoid using the name "3D" and "4D" if it will use "5Ds" instead.

It went from having (1D, 1Ds) -> 1DX to deal with market confusion.

Why does Canon believe going from 5D3 -> (5Ds, 5D4) won't create new market confusion?

Hasn't it learnt from the sins of the past?

I suppose like Nikon & the D3, D3s & D3x, Canon makes some assumptions, someone about to place an order for a $3k to $10k Camera may have dome some research, may have made a choice based on the research, may not be a fool with his/her money, Oh, I forgot, your view is anyone that purchases Canon, must be, a Fool that is.

In the past there seemed to be no issues with understanding Canon 1D, 1Ds, Mark I, Mark II, Mark III, 5D, 5DMK II, etc

Honestly Dilbert, don't you just get tired of all the Canon Walloping BS ??

 

[Don Haines]

Indeed and if Sony can put 5 axis IBIS into the A9 like they did the A7II then all of my lenses without IS become IS lenses even with a metabones adapter. What's not to love about that boost of usability in my lens investment?! Sony recognise AF as being a key issue for them to address so it will be interesting to see what they deliver! On top of which I won't have to wait half a century for improvements to be delivered with Sony.

I think you should have looked into Pentax then, they had IBIS yeaaaaars ago. And a huge legacy of lenses.

Olympus has had IBIS for 10 years.... The Canon IS works much better... but then again, it is very hard to design IBIS that works for wide angle and telephoto lenses, while a lens specific design is tailor made for the chunk of glass you are dealing with.

 

[Sunnystate]

This may be a bit off topic, but only at first glance. I really like to address loyal Canon defenders on this forum, and we all know who they are, usually they have over several thousands posts and are sometimes showing up on other forums just to out of blue state that canon is the only king on the planet.
Maybe they never ending campaign glorifying Canon generate some minuscule increase in sales, who knows? but in the long run I pray that Canon executives do not listen to them at all!
Please if you really love that Canon brand so much be clever enough to help Canon to understand that the emperor is sort of naked for some time now, please do not lull them to sleep with all that eloquent talk about superiority of the system over the quality of sensor, incredible selection of lenses (that can be and are successfully used on Sony cameras) etc, etc...
Canon is very strong corporation that will survive this small hick up, and sooner they realize the need to fix something the better we all will be including the 1Dx owners ;-)

I am 53 years old now, and waiting a decade for Canon to decide that it is a time to upgrade sensor is just unacceptable for me. That's why I am enjoying my beloved bit awkward A7r for some time now and pushing the envelopes the way I could never push with any of the current Canon cameras...
I hope this makes some sense to at least some of you

Lets hope that Canon once again is capable of philosophy that brought to life 5D Classic once upon a time...
Thank you.

 

[PureClassA]

It is only a matter of time before Sony turns the "distracted by Sony" into "buying Sony."

Or it's only a matter of time before Sony abandons the line. Distracted by Betamax. Distracted by Vaio.

aaaaand I peed my pants. That was good

 

[Orangutan]

That's all I need to read. Look at the sales numbers, not social media.

OK. Canon DSLR sales are nose-diving since 2012/13... and your conclusion is... ???

How did they do relative to ILC sales of other manufacturers?