EOS 5D Mark III Replacement Talk [CR2]

[Loswr]

Oh hey! Just with an adapter, Sony can take advantage of all of the advancements Canon has made in their lens lineup. Screw Canon, Sony's better.

Exactly! As everyone knows, adapters support AF just as well as the native mount, and perpetual compatibility is guaranteed.

</sarcasm>

 

[Don Haines]

Oh hey! Just with an adapter, Sony can take advantage of all of the advancements Canon has made in their lens lineup. Screw Canon, Sony's better.

Exactly! As everyone knows, adapters support AF just as well as the native mount, and perpetual compatibility is guaranteed.

I think we need bigger sarcasm tags

 

[Loswr]

Done.

 

[Synkka]

The actual Canon financial statement is not as bleak as that news article. See http://www.canon.com/ir/results/2014/rslt2014q3e.pdf

Now you wouldn't expect a Company to be too negative in their own financial statements, regarding the camera market they expect low end digital cameras to not do well, but are expecting recover in the interchangeable section.

Overall as a company they are still forecasting profit.

Do you read the figures differently?

Again here is the actual financial statement, people should read this before making up things.

Another profitable year for canon isn't exactly a bad thing

 

[tcmatthews]

Oh hey! Just with an adapter, Sony can take advantage of all of the advancements Canon has made in their lens lineup. Screw Canon, Sony's better.

Exactly! As everyone knows, adapters support AF just as well as the native mount, and perpetual compatibility is guaranteed.

</sarcasm>

All sarcasm aside if you do not care about auto focus the Sony A7 line are excellent cameras.

Outside of Sports, fast moving wildlife, candid shots, and anything moving auto focus is over rated. I think that the modern DSLR has spoiled all of us. It does not help that current DSLR do not come with manual focus aids. Sure you can get a manual focus screen in some cameras but it is still not as good as the focus aids (peeking and ability to zoom in) in an A7 EVA.

If you do not care about auto focus go by a Sony and convert your Canon lens. I plan on buying what ever high MP camera Sony camera they come out with to replace the A7r. Assuming it has first curtain electronic shutter. It will be cheaper than the high MP Canon and sufficient for what I plan on using it for. But I am not selling my Canon cameras. Because I also take pictures of moving things. I will buy a high MP Canon body when it is priced around a Canon 6D.

If you are expecting auto focus with Canon Lens on a Sony you are missing the point. Many lens perform about as good as the EOS M. And we all know what people say about that. I still prefer using old converted manual lens on my Nex6 over Canon EF lens.

 

[Don Haines]

If you are expecting auto focus with Canon Lens on a Sony you are missing the point. Many lens perform about as good as the EOS M. And we all know what people say about that. I still prefer using old converted manual lens on my Nex6 over Canon EF lens.

With any system, be it Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, or whatever... the native lenses will AF faster than any third party or adapted lenses.

 

[PureClassA]

There's and ebb and flow to any market cycle. Right now Sony has the edge on current SENSOR tech, but Canon still has the crown of sales and market share. While I agree with you dilbert that Sony certainly expands the potential for the Canon system of glass, it's no where near the level of Canon as a business model for serving working professionals (complete systems and service). Sony has its place. Canon can't touch them on cinema and video for the money (the a7s for example) but I believe 2015 could well be the year Canon may regain its innovative dominance. The new glass we've seen in the last 12 months has been stellar and I'm personally giving them a wide berth with these rumors of high MP. If those like me are shown to be mistaken when the products actually arrive, so be it. But until then we are left with mere conjecture and dreams. Let's reserve our daggers until we see the whites of their eyes with these new bodies.

 

[Bob Howland]

I don't expect them to take place until the competition makes significant and consistent market gains against Canon. It's a mistake to think of the DSLR business as anything other than a business.

I'll agree with the second sentence but not the first. After all, isn't it better to make the changes before losing market share rather than after? Mismanaging major technological transitions drove Kodak into bankruptcy.

The managements of Olympus, Panasonic, Sony, Fuji and Samsung all decided, more or less simultaneously, that the case for MILCs over DSLRs was compelling enough to make major investments to overcome serious barriers to entry, the biggest of which seems to be getting stores to carry not-Canon/not-Nikon cameras so that consumers can look at them and buy them. It very much remains to be seen whether Canon and Nikon can leverage their installed base and very extensive DSLR lens lineups in the transition to MILCs.

The biggest of which seem to be getting people to actually buy MILCs instead of DSLRs...

If there was sufficient market demand, stores would stock them.

How does the market demand products if many/most of the people in that market may not even know they exist? Furthermore, stores stocking more not-Canon/Not-Nikon cameras means (1) they have to reduce the stocking levels of Canon and/or Nikon and/or (2) they have to stop stocking something completely unrelated (i.e., expand the sizes of their photographic departments) and/or (3) they have to expand the size of their stores.

 

[privatebydesign]

Sony has shown what is possible with new sensor technology whilst Canon hasn't updated theirs in many years and so on. That then leads to people defending Canon doing little or nothing in various areas whilst it leaves others exasperated.

Canon as shown what is possible with lens and optical technology, while Sony has done little or nothing in that area. Some people seem to think bare silicon sensors take pictures…

With the metabones adapters, I can put almost any lens on the Sony A7 series. Why should I limit myself to Sony's lenses?

But... but... but... system! system! system!

Yup, by going down the Sony mirrorless path the options for what a working "system" can be are much larger than with Canon.

If by "working system" you mean massively compromised with severe loss of functionality then yes, you might have a point.

 

[tcmatthews]

If you are expecting auto focus with Canon Lens on a Sony you are missing the point. Many lens perform about as good as the EOS M. And we all know what people say about that. I still prefer using old converted manual lens on my Nex6 over Canon EF lens.

With any system, be it Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, or whatever... the native lenses will AF faster than any third party or adapted lenses.

That is the point apparently you half get it. But for most of my general photography I have found I do not need auto focus at all if I have focus aids.

My Nex6 and native E mount 50mm it will go to big rectangle auto focus in indoor light. So it is also a Manual focus only moment. I have found that is not really a problem giving peeking and other focus aides. I also found it does not really do f stops faster than 2.8 very well. In that regard the EOS M is more accurate when it eventual gets to auto focus. In the two years I have owned the Nex6 most pictures taken with it were using FD Lenses and an old M42 lens. I only bought the Metabones adapter to fill in the holes in the Lens lineup until native lenses were available.

For a year the only reason to use my 60D was ML. Sense I bought my 6D I have been very happy with it. The 6D is a very good low light camera. If a high MP 5Ds is released for around the MSRP of the 5dIII it will be a very hard decision. I will still want a Sony A7 something to put the old lens to use because I enjoy that. But it will not have to be high MP if Canon releases a reasonably priced high MP camera. I can only imagine what a 50 mp camera can do for wildlife photography.

Not all of the Sony native E mount lens I am interested in even have auto focus. Zeiss Loxia 2/35 anybody.

 

[bvukich]

The 5DIV (non-"S") will launch at or below the 5DIII launch price, call it a hunch.

 

[Bob Howland]

It very much remains to be seen whether Canon and Nikon can leverage their installed base and very extensive DSLR lens lineups in the transition to MILCs.

Given the global market penetrance of MILCs (or rather, the lack thereof), the first question is not whether they can, but whether they should…

Lots of people like to talk and write the about death of dSLRs due to the rise of MILCs. However, that rise is certainly not taking place with a slope consistent killing dSLRs, and it's important to keep in mind the same people saying these things now predicted that demise of the dSLR was to have occurred by ~5 years ago.

I repeat (for about the 100th time) no one knows if MILCs are a leading-edge or trailing-edge product. Too many people assume that just because they have been popular in some Asian markets, that means that they are the wave of the future. But, that is not necessarily the case.

It is equally likely that in the Chinese market at least (which is the market that probably counts the most), the early adoption of MILCs is simply a predecessor to the eventual adoption of DSLRs. Once Chinese customers become familiar with the relative benefits of DSLRs vs. MILCs, they may make the same decision that most customers in Europe and the Americas have made: the traditional DSLR is far more flexible and better suited for many enthusiasts.

Please stop using the "leading-edge" and "trailing-edge" terminology because that's not what you're talking about. Those terms have meaning only with respect to a product or group of products with respect to their own life cycle.

Actually I believe that MILCs are or at least very soon will be superior to DSLRs because (1) they will be cheaper to produce than DSLRs due to the removal of the mirror, (2) they will have much higher frame rates than DSLRs, also due to the removal of the mirror (e.g., Samsung NX-1 vs Canon 1Dx and Nikon D4s) and (3) they are now smaller, lighter and much quieter than DSLRs also due the removal of the mirror. Are you sensing a trend about the mirror??? The critical questions are (1) how good EVFs can become, (2) how fast they can be improved and (3) how much they will cost when they are at least as good as an OVF.

Clearly we will have to agree to disagree in our predictions about these last three questions.

 

[PureClassA]

The 5DIV (non-"S") will launch at or below the 5DIII launch price, call it a hunch.

Bingo!!

 

[kuffer]

here's +1 internet for your response

 

[tcmatthews]

The 5DIV (non-"S") will launch at or below the 5DIII launch price, call it a hunch.

Bingo!!

Given the current exchange rate I expect the 5DIII to drop in price and the 5DIV (non-"S") release at or near current MSRP. I expect the 5DIV (non-"S") will have Dual pixel CMOS auto focus. Possibly 4K video. The 5Ds will not have Dual pixel CMOS auto focus. I think that the 5Ds will come first and be priced around the 5D III release price. The 5D IV (non-"S") early next year.

Classic internet 1-up answer.

 

[bdunbar79]

If you are expecting auto focus with Canon Lens on a Sony you are missing the point. Many lens perform about as good as the EOS M. And we all know what people say about that. I still prefer using old converted manual lens on my Nex6 over Canon EF lens.

With any system, be it Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, or whatever... the native lenses will AF faster than any third party or adapted lenses.

That is the point apparently you half get it. But for most of my general photography I have found I do not need auto focus at all if I have focus aids.

My Nex6 and native E mount 50mm it will go to big rectangle auto focus in indoor light. So it is also a Manual focus only moment. I have found that is not really a problem giving peeking and other focus aides. I also found it does not really do f stops faster than 2.8 very well. In that regard the EOS M is more accurate when it eventual gets to auto focus. In the two years I have owned the Nex6 most pictures taken with it were using FD Lenses and an old M42 lens. I only bought the Metabones adapter to fill in the holes in the Lens lineup until native lenses were available.

For a year the only reason to use my 60D was ML. Sense I bought my 6D I have been very happy with it. The 6D is a very good low light camera. If a high MP 5Ds is released for around the MSRP of the 5dIII it will be a very hard decision. I will still want a Sony A7 something to put the old lens to use because I enjoy that. But it will not have to be high MP if Canon releases a reasonably priced high MP camera. I can only imagine what a 50 mp camera can do for wildlife photography.

Not all of the Sony native E mount lens I am interested in even have auto focus. Zeiss Loxia 2/35 anybody.

Who cares? You're in the minority. MOST people use AF all the time.

 

[bdunbar79]

<Outside of Sports, fast moving wildlife, candid shots, and anything moving auto focus is over rated.>

So basically, sports, weddings, wildlife, candid shots. OTHER THAN THAT, AF is over-rated.

LOL.

 

[privatebydesign]

<Outside of Sports, fast moving wildlife, candid shots, and anything moving auto focus is over rated.>

So basically, sports, weddings, wildlife, candid shots. OTHER THAN THAT, AF is over-rated.

LOL.

Yes, very much a case of Monty Python.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE

 

[tcmatthews]

<Outside of Sports, fast moving wildlife, candid shots, and anything moving auto focus is over rated.>

So basically, sports, weddings, wildlife, candid shots. OTHER THAN THAT, AF is over-rated.

LOL.

Perhaps I should have put a sarcasm tag in there so people could get the inside joke. Most of my photography involve slow to non moving subjects.

 

[bdunbar79]

Just having a little fun, that's all.