EOS 5D Mark IV To Use EOS C300 Mark II Technology? [CR2]
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dilbert said:
A .cr2 is essentially a .tiff, so afaik no problem storing 16 bits there w/o any further changes. Magic Lantern chose .dng as their dual_iso format because it's a documented standard, but their output is 16bit already.
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Sorry a bit late for April 1st jokes
Well get ready for the BlackMagic URSA Mini at $2995 tomorrow. 4k, Native EF mount, ProRes & RAW video recording. 15 stops of DR with their brand new sensor (also set to be employed in the regular URSA) ... and $2995... $2995. Canon better put out one helluva 5DC model sometime soon 
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PureClassA said:Well get ready for the BlackMagic URSA Mini at $2995 tomorrow. 4k, Native EF mount, ProRes & RAW video recording. 15 stops of DR with their brand new sensor (also set to be employed in the regular URSA) ... and $2995... $2995. Canon better put out one helluva 5DC model sometime soon
Since when has a reasonable price point by a competitor, or a compelling piece of technology; deterred Canon from matching them?
When is the last time Canon took our breath away with a new DSLR?
Don't get me wrong, Canon has been great in giving us reliable Bodies that do not fail at giving us rapid firing & accurately focused shots of 22bit color and 11.8ev's of DR... and it's been getting better and faster in capturing those files with each new model..... I wished that when they announced the 5ds with a different CFA, that instead of high ISO brilliance, we would get more DR since it would benefit Landscape shooters, but they still had the conservatism to shove that 500nm work of art in our faces for 6 years and running...
Work fast Maeda Work fast... we hope the 5d4 will give us something to cheer about, and wont be a slight rework of the 5d3 sensor, which has fallen behind the competition in a few areas.... and from what they claim, the yet unreleased 5ds has the same DR of the 3 years old 5d3.... I really hope that's not true.
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https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicursamini
Good freakin Lord...... It's a monster for $2995
Good freakin Lord...... It's a monster for $2995
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Pre-Orders aren't even up yet. I'm sure every reviewer on earth will be itching to get their hands on this thing. 60FPS in full 4K RAW?! 150FPS in 1080P RAW?!?! DAMN!
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PureClassA said:
Now that is some exciting stuff!!!! Just shows what happens when a company actually tries to do the best that they can manage instead of trying to do their best to hold back as much as possible and still sell just enough to not create issues. (Although the 15 stop version is a much more expensive $5000, it's not $2995 for the 15 stops video. However, compared to the Cxx stuff, $5000 is still awfully inexpensive to say the least! Maybe this won't quite deliver the same results, but $5000 is getting to be affordable for some, $20,000 is kinda out there for the average person not making films as a primary living. And note all the tons of usability features and connections and so on even in the $2995 model. It makes a joke of all the fanboys who were going on about how could anyone expect such connections and features for less than $20,000! Of course they were not correct, they have no idea what parts and coding costs are and tend to wildly inflate things in their mind.)
The Canon model that this one really makes look bad is the new XC10. it only costs 20% less but it has miles more features it appears.
XC10:
$2499
4k 30P
1" sensor
slow, fixed lens
URSA mini:
$2999
4k 60p
150fps HD RAW
has an APS-C size sensor
takes Canon EF lenses
looks to have more pro connectors
looks to have more features
(although it is true that you do need to add another $300 or so to the URSA price to give it a lens since it comes with no lens, so for someone with no Canon gear the entry price is more than 20% higher, for someone already with Canon lenses though....)
(and the XC10 is more compact and all-in-one)
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Although back to the topic of the thread, if this rumor is true, that also is very exciting stuff as far as upcoming Canon sensors though too. For stills, at least, maybe they are finally going to get really exciting again.
(The way they have been handling video though it seems like they are basically relegated though.)
(The way they have been handling video though it seems like they are basically relegated though.)
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Yes, stand corrected. Ok a RAW recording machine with that sensor...but still $4995?? a 1080p C100 MK II for $500 more whose ONLY advantage is really DPAF is a really tough sell now.
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I think all this new stuff is really forcing Canon's hand. As well it should. There is no excuse NOT to put this sensor technology in a 5D4 and without question a 1DX2. It's long overdue, but the more I look at it the more it seems perhaps fully dependent on DPAF. Shame it wasn't on the 5DSR. I could see the landscape guys bypassing the 5DSR for the higher IQ sensor in a lower resolution 5D4. Ouch Canon.
LetTheRightLensIn said:
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There was brief but interesting exchange (I wish I could rewind it cuz I missed half of it) about using 12 and 14 bit encoding while still yielding 15+ stops of DR. I imagine whatever answer the Canon tech gave also applies to the BlackMagic rigs as well
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PureClassA said:
That sounds like slog2 type packing of some sort, you do lose a bit of tonality of course as 15 doesn't fit into 12 and 14 but you can keep the 15 stops shadow to highlight range, just there is slight tone compression loss along the way so it would still have posterization of 12 bits and not 15bit performance in that regard.
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PureClassA said:
I'm not so sure. I doubt they're reading the whole sensor twice from half of each pixel. Granted I'm not an expert, but that would seem to cut FWC in half, and at best get you back to square one when the readouts are merged.
Even if it's a DPAF platform, I imagine they still sum the two diodes to read out total pixel charge, and have the circuitry in place to send it down parallel signal chains of varying gain.
It's likely very processor heavy. Doing it with 50MP might mean something like 2 FPS in the 5DS/R configuration.
Perhaps we'll see a 5D4 at mid-range resolution (22+/-) and a 1DXSR (because why not?) at high resolution (50), but doing dual readout RAW HDR blends, and both with framerates similar to the 5DS/R.
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http://www.canonwatch.com/cw4-canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-coming-as-2-versions-5d-mark-iv-mark-ivc-28mp-vs-18mp/
Well..... There ya go. 5D4. 5DC. They're a comin'. 5DC looking to perhaps have the DR specs of the new C300 mkIi
Let the CR sh!t hit the fan in 3...2...1....
Well..... There ya go. 5D4. 5DC. They're a comin'. 5DC looking to perhaps have the DR specs of the new C300 mkIi
Let the CR sh!t hit the fan in 3...2...1....
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