EOS 5D Mark IV Update [CR2]

[pwp]

Would much rather wait for announcement and then read reviews of this disapointing Canon dump.

Remind us again why you're here? Beyond the obvious need to proclaim your bitterness, that is... :

+1 ???

 

[pwp]

Happy to hear this. Sorry Panasonic, you may not get my money after all. Looks like for a change Canon is listening to their customers.

Yeah right! Could be I'll have my Panasonic GH4 and lots of MFT glass up for sale if the 5DIV is a highly viable video option. As good as the GH4 is for video, dual systems are cumbersome and expensive. I'm optimistic!

-pw

 

[archiea]

Ah,,. the canon 5D Mark IV

Based on the 1DX 2, there are some heat limits as to what the 5D could do in 4K

How about RAW HD out?

4K 4:2:2 clean HDMI out?

Possible be the new Flagship of the Dual pixel AF technology?

How about a new 24-105 F 4 kit lens but with IS and Nano AF motors for smooth video?

Wireless transfer. My only issue with this is that the crappy eyefi card let you display the image as you shot!! Like a live wireless tether. Built in Wifi doesn't operate that way. Boo!

Operating the camera via Wifi from a smartphone kinda makes the tilt screen redundant.

Touchscreen. I hope unlike the 1DX, its available on all modes. Perhaps putting the 5D on button lock means the touch screen is locked too. Makes sense.

Perhaps a better preamp so that one won't have to use a Black Box to boost the audio for recording.

Keep those bleeping AF points lit like a college trustfund baby frat boy!

higher FPS in HD rez.

dual card slot, just don't know if it will be CFAST for one of them. Can't alienate current CF users and don't know it there is room for two cards fo that size.

Phased Plasma rifle (Hey buddy, just what you see here!)

 

[mkabi]

outside of MP's nothing was higher specced on the 1DX versus the 5D Mark III - so why would anyone expect anything different from the 1DX Mark II versus next 5D series?

Sorry man... not trying to pick on you specifically...
but just to get somethings in perspective...

1080p video (video period) was first introduced in the 5D (specifically the 5D Mark 2) not the 1D...
If MP is resolution for pictures, then 4K is resolution for video...
So if 5D has more picture resolution than the 1D, why shouldn't it have more video resolution too?

Ok, where was 4K video resolution first introduced on a dSLR?

Okay, I will bite - in the 1DC.

So are you siding with rrcphoto in saying that the 5D4 will not get 4K???
And/or better video features than the 1dx II???

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Sounds promising, but they have been so stingy with critical video usability features before and held back so much video stuff and not delivered DR for so long.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Admittedly not exactly the same development timelines, but the 7DII is both higher tier and later release compared to 70D, and the 5DS(R) was newer and higher tier than the 7DII.

The point that was being made is that there will be feature-driven product positioning decisions made by Canon that some might not agree with or understand. That might include "lower" models of the same generation having one or two "better" features. It happens...

on different timelines. some of the those reasons are ergonomics and 5Ds to 70D,etc is full frame to crop? touchscreen was not deemed important on a professional body? and none of those examples deal with canon's flagship 1 series.

1DX Mark II is touted has having high end 4K video.

So name a time where canon has placed something specifically on it's flagship and then outdone it 2-3 months later on another camera?

outside of MP's nothing was higher specced on the 1DX versus the 5D Mark III - so why would anyone expect anything different from the 1DX Mark II versus next 5D series?

Because it doesn't make sense to push a big bulky body with an ultra speed and expensive shutter/mirrobox and all that on viode crowd (which they have been badly loosing). Why can't the 5D4 have better video and video features than the 1DX II? The A7R II in many ways has better video and it's been out a while and pretty cool to use. It sounds like the 5D4 won't touch the nice 42MP detail/reach of the A7R II but they may be able to tie or come close for DR and then beat it for AF/speed and maybe at least match video usability and then beat it with say 10bits or somthing, so you give up the MP count, a shame, but make up for it with 10bits for video people (awesome) and AF/speed for stills people (awesome) and then they can go higher MP for 5D5 in the future.

 

[Ozarker]

It will do 4k, 4k, 4k ... rejoiceth!
"video-optimized mirrorslapper" ... contradictio in adjecto.

Not interested. 5D III is the last mirrorslapper in my life. Still hoping Canon finally comes to its senses and builds me a mirrorless EOS M5 plus a few nice and compact pancakes to go along. Of course I would be the only person on the plante to buy it ... according to Neuro.

If you continue slapping the slapper sooner or later you'll come to your senses and realize that slapping the slapper and thinking oneself clever means you've already gone blind. I hope your new Sony comes with a can of cream and a razor to shave your palms.

You haven't sold the technologically soft slapping stuff you have yet and switched? Just wondering what the hold up is.

Sweet dreams my friend. May your sheets be dry in the morning. Don't get too slapper slap happy.

 

[Alan]

Don't expect the replacement until 2017.

 

[Txema]

I'll wait and see what the 5DIV has to offer. If the pixel count is not near 36 mpx, I'll either get the 7RII or go the nikon way selling all my gear but the 24T&S and getting the 750D as backup plus the next nikon with the 42 mpx Sony sensor.
I'll really miss the 5DIII control layout and ergonomics.

 

[mml4]

I don't get it. Most 5D3 owners when asked say they rarely if ever use the video feature. So Canon REPORTEDLY makes a big video splash with their most important stills camera. I wish they would offer a model without video at a reduced price.
Marc

 

[koenkooi]

If I am correct, the 4K will be full frame width, no crop on the sides. And that alone would be significantly better than the 1DX-ii.

As well, it is very possible they could sneak a $20 (or less) OMAP type processor in the body and get out H.26[4|5] out of a DSP that is made for producing H.26x.

except it's not the DSP, it's heat management.

canon's already stated they could not do h.264 without vent ports such as the XC10 in the 1DX Mark II - thus mjpeg which is very low processor consumption.

and it was "as easy" as you think by just adding a $20 part, they would have done it to the 1DX Mark II

again - both are on the same development schedule, expecting something significantly better than the 1DXII video spec doesn't sound plausible IMO.

I am not going to say heat dissipation is not a part of it. But, what you might be missing is the notion that yeah, an modern day intel processor can easily produce H.265 video right, but I can pretty well guarantee you that an OMAP processor, with designed in proprietary IP with its sole purpose of doing compression/decompression is going to do the same encoding with significantly less power.

While the DIGIC processor maybe very well done, they are possibly on the ASICs end of production. Relatively low volume. And frankly we have no idea if they have purchased rights to the TI IP to allow for such efficient coding.

After giving it more thought, it is exceptionally possible the DIGICs in the 1DX-ii do not have the DSP core from a vendor like TI, where as the single DIGIC in the 5DX does. As the focus of the 5DX will likely be different than the 1DX-ii.

I guess, in summary, from what I understand, having worked with OMAP processors, and with people who were on the OMAP software development team in TI, unless Canon has one heck of a core competency we do not know about, they are licensing H.264 (or such) encoding. And that comes at a cost. The 1DX-ii might not be worth putting that in, where the 5DX might be???

We are just speculating.

Maybe this weekend I will see if there are any comprehensive x-rays of the DIGIC processors out there with analysis????

For the OMAP1/2/3 series the DSP did the decode, OMAP4 and up have a separate hardware block, IVA-HD, for doing video. Unless you go for a different family like Keystone the DSP is more of a vestigial organ than the flagship feature it used to be.
Getting IP blocks for video encode isn't hard nor expensive, have a look at all the *cheap* SoC the china vendors like rockchip, amlogic, action semi and allwinner are producing. The most effort will go into dealing with MPEG-LA and Microsoft and their per-device royalties for h26x and vc1.

 

[Nininini]

I've never filmed in 4K.
Is it a great leap forward?

yes, megapixels still trumps everything else when it comes to detail, both in still and video

My experience with video in Canon DSLRs is that the quality is good in the image but that it suffers badly from rolling shutter / jello and moving objects can be hard on the eyes to look at.
Does 4K solve any of those issues?

No the only thing that fixes rolling shutter is a global shutter, which you will find in pricey video cameras and many industries from banking to retail to hyperspectral imaging, not DSLR. It will one day be in DSLR though.

Some cameras (like the new 4k A6300 ironically), suffer greatly from rolling shutter. 4k does not remedy rolling shutter, at all.

The only thing that solves rolling shutter, is a shutter that captures all the light at once. Thus, a global shutter with complex circuitry where everything happens in an instant, but they're pricey complex sensor, currently only used in fancy camera gear.

ALSO, you find global shutters in many grocery stores. Those things that the cashier runs the item against to read the barcode, that's a global shutter sensor.


These things, are global shutters. They're the type of sensor you find in a grocery store or wallmart. Many of those sensors are far more complex than the sensor in your DSLR since they need to work at an incredibly high capturing rate to identify the barcode at high speed. They need to be global shutters by design, they need to capture the barcode in a split second.

This is the same company that made the Leica Q sensor, they make all sorts of global shutters.

 

[Kinreu]

I remember when Canon cares about photographers... It was a long time ago. Now all the lineup seems to be fit for videographers. Too bad. I don't care about 4k. Just need a f*cking good camera for still.

 

[slclick]

I remember when Canon cares about photographers... It was a long time ago. Now all the lineup seems to be fit for videographers. Too bad. I don't care about 4k. Just need a f*cking good camera for still.

I hear you but we've all been schooled here on CR to understand that the video doesn't add a penny to the cost and to just avoid the menu.

 

[nightscape123]

If the 5DIV is going to be more film oriented, maybe the 6DII will move upmarket in stills capacity but lack video features, making it cheaper and different than the 5D series but be closer in stills capacity to the 5D line than before.

 

[Nininini]

I don't get it. Most 5D3 owners when asked say they rarely if ever use the video feature.

lol

https://widerimage.reuters.com/photographer

Almost every Reuters photographer uses a 5D Mark II or mark III, click their name to see what they use.

Trust me, they use video.

The 5D is the go-to camera reporters use.

 

[Nininini]

I don't care about 4k. Just need a f*cking good camera for still.

Hi.

 

[slclick]

I don't get it. Most 5D3 owners when asked say they rarely if ever use the video feature.

lol

https://widerimage.reuters.com/photographer

Almost every Reuters photographer uses a 5D Mark II or mark III, click their name to see what they use.

Trust me, they use video.

The 5D is the go-to camera reporters use.

I wish they would offer a model without video

Canon has a stills camera, it's called the 5DS

I think '5D3 owners' implies folks who purchased their own cameras. Not journos.

 

[Nininini]

I don't get it. Most 5D3 owners when asked say they rarely if ever use the video feature.

lol

https://widerimage.reuters.com/photographer

Almost every Reuters photographer uses a 5D Mark II or mark III, click their name to see what they use.

Trust me, they use video.

The 5D is the go-to camera reporters use.

I wish they would offer a model without video

Canon has a stills camera, it's called the 5DS

I think '5D3 owners' implies folks who purchased their own cameras. Not journos.

Well, those "journos" are a very important market. Canon is not going to just strip the 5D Mark IV of video capabilities.

Anyway, his argument makes no sense. There is a still camera already, the 5DS.

 

[slclick]

I don't get it. Most 5D3 owners when asked say they rarely if ever use the video feature.

lol

https://widerimage.reuters.com/photographer

Almost every Reuters photographer uses a 5D Mark II or mark III, click their name to see what they use.

Trust me, they use video.

The 5D is the go-to camera reporters use.

I wish they would offer a model without video

Canon has a stills camera, it's called the 5DS

I think '5D3 owners' implies folks who purchased their own cameras. Not journos.

Well, those "journos" are a very important market. Canon is not going to just strip the 5D Mark IV of video capabilities.

Anyway, his argument makes no sense. There is a still camera already, the 5DS.

I don't think there is anyone who actually thinks video capabilities will be removed from the 5D line. It's also a far more widely known fact that the 1D line is the better journo tool. Folks using their bodies for stills just need to ignore the video menus and shoot. End of story. The 5Ds/R lines are too expensive for the average bear.