EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

[ahsanford]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Am I the only person with hopes of a 7D Mark iii still in 2017?

Not at all, but unless someone produces evidence that the D500 crushed 7D2 sales, I'm not seeing a 2017 7D3. See timeline from Northlight for perspective on that -- it's not a 3 year product update like the XXD line or 4 year update like the 1DX#/5D# lines, it's more like a 5 year cycle for those rigs.

Maaaaaaybe the D500 gooses Canon to shorten that a bit, but 2018 seems more likely than 2017.

- A

 

[j-nord]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Where the hell have all these 1Ds people been?!

I've been sticking up for a high MP 1D-body rig in a bunch of threads and there are always crickets when I bring it up.

Thanks for joining the discussion on this. I don't personally want such a rig, but I fully get why someone looks at the choice of high resolution OR a 1D body feature set and says "How much more do I have to pay to make that OR turn into an AND?"

- A

I'm curious why a 1D body? What about the larger 1D series do you feel is needed/complements a very high m-pix sensor? High m-pix = low fps which means a reduced need for top of the line AF or the special battery to drive the big whites. Could it be a standard 5dIII -ish sized body with additional weather sealing and the firmware features you want? A 1D body is less practical for the landscape crowd.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I'm curious why a 1D body? What about the larger 1D series do you feel is needed/complements a very high m-pix sensor? High m-pix = low fps which means a reduced need for top of the line AF or the special battery to drive the big whites. Could it be a standard 5dIII -ish sized body with additional weather sealing and the firmware features you want? A 1D body is less practical for the landscape crowd.

Back in the day, an integral grip body didn't automatically mean jackhammer fps rates and sideline sports. It was one of two options -- 1D or 1Ds. The 1Ds camp were the studio and landscape folks who would either control lighting in a studio or put it on a tripod in the field.

1D bodies have very very nice features that 5D folks don't get that have nothing to do with sports, AF, framerate, etc. Go here and pan down to 'Canon EOS 1D X Feature Advantages Over the EOS 5D Mark III' and get a slice of what I'm talking about.

For the non-sports/wildlife shooter, I'd say the biggies in the 1D feature set (unrelated to the sensor) are:

• Ethernet for tethering
• Facial recognition
• Better metering, including the coveted spot metering at any AF point
• Built-in viewfinder shutter for long exposures
• Faster sync for flashes
• Built for war; the best sealed rig Canon sells

...but I defer to those folks asking for a high res 1D body. They'll tell you. Those asking for a high MP 1D body are looking forward to more than just a vertical grip.

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Well maybe it's finally time for a eos-3d take the 1dx and put it into a smaller body.

If canon is coming up with a new nameplate, ie number
It's pretty limited to 2 to 4 or 9.

9 would be my guess if they were doing a rebel full frame.

I could see canon making a cheaper full frame based upon rebel ergonomics it could be smaller than the 6d mark Ii if it has a fully articulated screen.

 

[danski0224]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

1DS Mk IV please.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 5DS/R has also been sort of a beta test for some of the hardware behind a 1DS Mk III replacement.

 

[cpsico]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Hopefully it's a solid still image camera that can do video, but is clearly focused on still image quality like the first 6d. The original 6D files can be hammered in post and come out dazzling

 

[dak723]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

All I would like to see in the 6D MkII is that it is smaller and lighter. It already takes great pictures.

 

[RGF]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

...Canon will introduce a “new nameplate” to the EOS DSLR lineup.

If it's a 4D, it will herald the death of the dSLR.

Canon's name is a somewhat systematic and also chaotic.

1D series. Got it, but at some point Mark .. will get too high they will need to make new series like the 1D became the 1Dx.

5D/6D. okay full frame more features/less features.

7D. Crop sensor. Should this be a single digit? Or does one expect a 7D to be scaled down 6D with absolutely minimal features?

Perhaps Crop should be double digits like the 10D, 20D, ... of course Canon will soon be out room after the 90D.

Missing is the 3D - like the EOS3. Just below the EOS 1V. That in a sense is the 5D.

They need to rationalize number/names.

wonder what they have in mind.

 

[RGF]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

...
Missing is the 3D - like the EOS3. Just below the EOS 1V. That in a sense is the 5D.

They need to rationalize number/names.

wonder what they have in mind.

Announce a 3D as a successor to the 5DS/r?

I would like to see a the 5D M4 become the 3D. 1D build, 1D controls except without the builtin grip. Same AF,8-10 FPS, same sensor, ... Won't happen but that is on my wish list.

 

[Meatcurry]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Where the hell have all these 1Ds people been?!

I've been sticking up for a high MP 1D-body rig in a bunch of threads and there are always crickets when I bring it up.

Thanks for joining the discussion on this. I don't personally want such a rig, but I fully get why someone looks at the choice of high resolution OR a 1D body feature set and says "How much more do I have to pay to make that OR turn into an AND?"

- A

I'm curious why a 1D body? What about the larger 1D series do you feel is needed/complements a very high m-pix sensor? High m-pix = low fps which means a reduced need for top of the line AF or the special battery to drive the big whites. Could it be a standard 5dIII -ish sized body with additional weather sealing and the firmware features you want? A 1D body is less practical for the landscape crowd.

I guess the 1D body would allow faster FPS at 50MP and crop modes, maybe with new dual or quad processors?

 

[arcer]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Oh oh, can I join the fun? I love making un-educational guesses.

Since it is rumored to have a new nameplate:
1DXR: Finally a high MP camera for the studio crowd may come back but I doubt they will name it that. Canon haters will have a field day saying that the 1DXR only has 1DR.
1DXS: Neither will they call it that as that is another awesome name for Canon haters to laugh at the XS phallic size that Canon fan boys have, who have to compensate with larger cameras.
8D/9D: Since there was a rumor last year about 6D2 going upmarket, maybe they will introduce a newer budget FF that will make the numbering system of Canon make sense. Why would 6D, having a number bigger than 7D, has specs that are so "inferior" that makes it looks like a Holga next to the Sports-centric 7D?

Going back to the 6D2, I have always stand on the side who thinks that the 6D successor will only be released after 5D4 comes out. It makes sense logically in marketing.
But personally, I think Canon will offer the 6D2 with similar features to the 80D while introducing a new range of "Rebel" FF. Increasing market segmentation to better serve different customers with differing needs, but continuing to ignore irrational individuals who want everything in a small and affordable body.

 

[Pitbullo]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

A new nameplate? Like a prosumer mirrorless option? maybe an 8D or a 4D. Here's to hoping it's fullframe

That, or just a new nameplate. Made out of plastic instead of metal. Brand new

 

[kevl]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

4D - Mpix monster with similar sensor performance to the 5DIV, light on video features, 5fps, flippy tilt screen, basically a 5DS/R replacement, AA cancelation filter

5DIV - All rounder with good video capabilities, AA filter

6DII - budget FF - probably significantly lacking of video features but possibly better sensor than 5DIV, 5 fps, small buffer, moderate improvement in AF over the mki, +/- a few m-pix of the 5DIV, touch screen, tilt screen, AA filter


In this scenario the 5DIV competes more with the D750 and the 4D with the D810

This is the most obvious probability. The 5DSr was a stop gap & test run at the same time. It is also why the 5DIV has taken so long. I think they considered going high MP with it but found that splitting the line would be more profitable.

 

[Fleetie]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Exciting time ahead. I just hope they finally can put a decent censor in those cameras.

Camera: "I'm not saving THIS image to the card! That lady's showing her bare ankles!"

 

[Loswr]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Exciting time ahead. I just hope they finally can put a decent censor in those cameras.

Camera: "I'm not saving THIS image to the card! That lady's showing her bare ankles!"

;D

He needs to be sensured. Perhaps he's been inhaling too much smoke from a censer?

 

[zim]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Exciting time ahead. I just hope they finally can put a decent censor in those cameras.

Camera: "I'm not saving THIS image to the card! That lady's showing her bare ankles!"

Not sure it's etiquette to make fun of typos, but that gave me a giggle ;D

 

[jeffa4444]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Canon 6D .............. Nikon D610

Canon ?? .............. Nikon D750

Canon 5D MKIV .......... Nikon D810

Canon 5Ds / r ........... Nikon ??

Canon 1D X MKII ......... Nikon D5

My money is on a competitor to the Nikon D750 with the Canon 5D MKIV going up in price to match 5Ds/r pricing.

 

[NancyP]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Improved sensors are always nice, but what I miss the most in features on the current 6D is a tilt screen. I do a lot of macro at ground level using live view magnification for fine-tuned focus - I really miss the 60D tilt screen.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Canon 6D .............. Nikon D610
Canon ?? .............. Nikon D750
Canon 5D MKIV .......... Nikon D810
Canon 5Ds / r ........... Nikon ??
Canon 1D X MKII ......... Nikon D5

My money is on a competitor to the Nikon D750 with the Canon 5D MKIV going up in price to match 5Ds/r pricing.

Your middle three don't line up at all. This is the problem with FF segmentation -- only two of the segments (entry-level and gripped) are set. The rest vary from company to company:

Of the following segments: Video / Good / Better / Best / Gripped

Nikon's lineup = Nothing / D610 / D750 / D810 / D5

Sony's lineup = A7S / A7 II / Nothing / A7R II / Nothing

Canon's lineup = Nothing / 6D / 5D3 / 5DS / 1DX2

And yes, I recognize the 5D3/5D4 segment is not the better segment, it's the 'all-arounder' segment for Canon, and the 5DS is not the best segment, it's the 'detail' segment from Canon. Neither line up naturally to any of the competition.

So as Dilbert (previously) and Jeffa (above) are trying to do, we lose as a user base when we try to keep up with the Joneses in the segments that they have defined. Canon is wise to have a different segmentation/portfolio that the competition doesn't line up to.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

4D - Mpix monster with similar sensor performance to the 5DIV, light on video features, 5fps, flippy tilt screen, basically a 5DS/R replacement, AA cancelation filter

5DIV - All rounder with good video capabilities, AA filter

6DII - budget FF - probably significantly lacking of video features but possibly better sensor than 5DIV, 5 fps, small buffer, moderate improvement in AF over the mki, +/- a few m-pix of the 5DIV, touch screen, tilt screen, AA filter


In this scenario the 5DIV competes more with the D750 and the 4D with the D810

This is the most obvious probability. The 5DSr was a stop gap & test run at the same time. It is also why the 5DIV has taken so long. I think they considered going high MP with it but found that splitting the line would be more profitable.

This tells the all-arounder loyalists in the 5D3/5D4 camp that more pixels are worthy of a lower number / more prestigious designation, which I think would offend them and have them believe pixels are all Canon sees to winning more money from them. I don't think this will happen, because Canon wants to take $3500 from both the all-arounder camp and the detail camp.

I personally see something like 1DS4 (or new name) / 1DX sitting in 'prestige parity' to both command that $6k asking price and 5DS / 5D4 sitting in parity to both command the $3500 price.

- A