EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

[Luds34]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

6D II is the camera I've been waiting for. What I really want is:

1. Increased MP. 24+ would be nice

2. f/8 AF like the 80D

3. Improved High ISO and Low ISO

4. Improved AF module, something similar to the 80d would be nice. Something like the 5D III would be awesome but that's a stretch.

If it can hit those 4 points then i'm all in.

#1 and #3 are in the bag, IMHO, but as far as IQ goes it all depends on your expectations. If you want two more stops of high ISO at the same noise levels or 2 more EVs of DR at base ISO, you probably will be disappointed.

#2 and #4 I'm less sure. AF will certainly improve, but how much it will improve remains to be seen. AF, FPS, build quality, max shutter speed, video modes, etc. are the key metrics that Canon nerfs with the cheaper body to get you to buy the better 5D model that sits above it.

- A

Respectively disagree. As a 6D owner one can work around most of the "shortcomings", but the AF is by far it's achilles heel. Releasing anything without a significant improved, modern AF system would reflect incredibly poorly on Canon. As others have said, the landscape has changed enough since the 6D release that there are a number of FF options out there. And for Canon, a "leader" in the industry to release a FF camera with an AF system equivalent to a couple generations ago Rebel is just embarrassing to the brand.

In short, the AF system is for sure the #1 item on the list of improvements for the 6D2.

 

[arcer]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

so almost everyone was right the 6d ii is not going to be a 2016 camera

If you make as many predictions and statements as he does then statistically some of them must be right.............

Corrected it for you ;D

 

[pvalpha]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I expect a 6DII to be really incremental in upgrade. No real MP bump. But a far better AF system.

The new body I expect to be a version of a rugged pro body for studio work in the $6k - $10k range (which is why I also expect they will keep the 5Ds/r). Less shutter speed, far more MP, possibly 120mp. I expect it to share the same sensor as what will be the 5Ds/r II a few years down the road.

I also expect we'll see a 7DIII with 36-48mp sensor before the new body is released. They need to bash the D500 a bit, and since the 7DII shares dot-pitch specs with the 5Ds/r's sensor, I expect them to use the 7DIII to test whatever type of sensor they plan on putting in a 3Ds/r or 5Ds/r II. The APS-C format makes it so they can get more useful samples out of the same die, while not requiring drastic changes in the other tech driving the camera. So if they've iterated a BSI/stacking technique into the 120mp test sensor they slapped into an EOS body before, expect to see the APS-C version of that sensor in a 7DIII.

Before any of that though we need to see higher resolution versions of the 70-200 F2.8L IS and possibly IS on the 24-70 F2.8 with a higher resolution. IS is a necessary component of any high MP camera. Using the traditional formula, you'd lose a quarter of your 120mp resolution with just camera jitter. Even if you use 1/(fl*2) for your shutter speed without IS you're still going to lose a significant amount of detail - even if your glass could theoretically resolve 100% of the sensor resolution. The alternative is, of course, integrating IS into the sensor itself. I really, really don't see canon doing that.

 

[tcmatthews]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I still hope the 6DII is announced before Fall 2017. But if the release of the given how long it is taking for the 5D IV I would not be surprised if it is delayed until then. As for specs I think it will be around 22-24MP with dual Pixel autofocus and it better have an articulating screen and the same body style.

As for the other camera I hope it is a long awaited return of a Full Frame Rebel camera likely with a tweaked version of the 6D sensor. I still think Rebel F or what ever it will be called would be a good deal.

 

[Adelino]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I really want the 6DII to be just a full frame 80D. If all specs are same as 80D I am buying it Will probably buy it anyway...

I would also like to see a FF Rebel especially if they make it a smallish body like what the SL1 is to the crop bodies. A high end mirrorless would be cool... so would a super mega pixel

 

[cellomaster27]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I'm thinking the new DSLR body could be alluding to the FF mirrorless? that would make more sense than a new version/addition to the current lineup of dslrs. The FF ML wouldn't necessarily be new in terms of raw specs, but a different system that is not in the current lineup. I know the heading says DSLR..

 

[wsmith96]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Improved sensors are always nice, but what I miss the most in features on the current 6D is a tilt screen. I do a lot of macro at ground level using live view magnification for fine-tuned focus - I really miss the 60D tilt screen.

+1. I also miss not having all af points be cross type.

 

[wsmith96]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Exciting time ahead. I just hope they finally can put a decent censor in those cameras.

Camera: "I'm not saving THIS image to the card! That lady's showing her bare ankles!"

To expand, I think it should also bleep out the curse words when you are taking video.

 

[slclick]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Exciting time ahead. I just hope they finally can put a decent censor in those cameras.

Camera: "I'm not saving THIS image to the card! That lady's showing her bare ankles!"

To expand, I think it should also bleep out the curse words when you are taking video.

What about all of us stills only shooters that like curse words? Canon is crippling their bodies and crippling our minds!

 

[zim]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I really want the 6DII to be just a full frame 80D. If all specs are same as 80D I am buying it Will probably buy it anyway...

I think that is exactly what it will be, an 80D but with the 5D3 sensor and 5fps in a 6D body size

 

[gsealy]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Exciting time ahead. I just hope they finally can put a decent censor in those cameras.

Camera: "I'm not saving THIS image to the card! That lady's showing her bare ankles!"

To expand, I think it should also bleep out the curse words when you are taking video.

Awesome -- good stuff.

 

[gsealy]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

IDK, but I am thinking maybe Canon goes the medium format route for this new line. On the video side they are coming out with a C700 to compete with the big boys. Now maybe they go medium format to compete with Phase 1 and Hassy's. Once they come out with the 5DIV, it seems they are really well covered with all the various layers of cameras they have. Another one in that space would confuse things further. But medium format? Now THAT would be different animal and hit at the high end commercial market. Just a thought, I really don't know.

 

[martti]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

It is quite amazing that they managed to create the 5D line that has so well stood the test of time. You still have to pay real money for a good 5D2! Even the people who wanted to have the extra depth of the Sony sensors keep and adapt their Canon lenses rather than jump into nothingness. Canon knows business.


The way I see it the 5D IV will be about as good that a DSLR will ever get. An era is about to end.
More and better pixels, higher processing rate, 4K video, intelligent AF, digital vibration control, yet another CR format and more connectivity. Longer battery life and wireless charging.
What else? Not much else. This will be it.

 

[Loswr]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

If the 6DII has the 5D3 sensor then it will be an automatic fail, not to mention a step backwards in IQ for the 6D line.

Well, it would automatically fail in dilbertland, where the sole resident wouldn't buy one...

Meanwhile...out here in reality, several years of sales data show the effects that lower than competitors' DxO Scores, IQ bashing by DPR, and reusing old sensors in new cameras have had on Canon's market share – they remain the ILC market leader. Sensor ≠ camera.

Oh, and be sure to call up Nikon's CEO and tell him the D5 is an automatic fail. Explain the paramount importance of low ISO DR, clearly he doesn't get it. :

 

[zim]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I really want the 6DII to be just a full frame 80D. If all specs are same as 80D I am buying it Will probably buy it anyway...

I think that is exactly what it will be, an 80D but with the 5D3 sensor and 5fps in a 6D body size

If the 6DII has the 5D3 sensor then it will be an automatic fail, not to mention a step backwards in IQ for the 6D line.

Realistically, the 6DII should have the same new(?) tech as the 5DIV. How good or bad will that be is yet to be seen.

Well if the IQ is that significantly different (I have no practical experience of either) then the existing 6D sensor with 80D specs in a 6D body would still be a superb entry level FF. I think that little Megapixel bump and I'm imagining the tech surrounding the AF would favour the use of the 5D3 sensor, maybe the AF is irrelevant to the actual sensor I don't know.

I feel that the only way the 'new' 5DIV sensor tech would make it into a 6D2 would be after the 5DIV was out for at least a year to possibly half way through it's product cycle and that is too long a wait.

 

[Luds34]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I feel that the only way the 'new' 5DIV sensor tech would make it into a 6D2 would be after the 5DIV was out for at least a year to possibly half way through it's product cycle and that is too long a wait.

Using that logic, how do you explain the 6D having equal (technically a tiny bit better) sensor tech to the 5D3?

Realistically, the difference between the 6D and 5D lines is not the sensor tech. You jump to the 5D for those more "pro" features, build, ergonomics, etc. Also better performing specs like FPS, focus system, etc. Sensor tech just isn't changing that fast and I don't see Canon intentionally crippling a sensor.

It comes down to the fact that a modern, full frame sensor is going to perform very well. It's all the bells and whistles you build around that sensor which will ultimately differentiate various cameras (along with available lens lineup).

 

[johnhenry]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I had really high hopes for the ^D but it was a letdown.

Cheap feeling, slow AF and poor weather seals made me feel like I was taking a step down replacing my 7D with it.

 

[zim]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I feel that the only way the 'new' 5DIV sensor tech would make it into a 6D2 would be after the 5DIV was out for at least a year to possibly half way through it's product cycle and that is too long a wait.

Using that logic, how do you explain the 6D having equal (technically a tiny bit better) sensor tech to the 5D3?

Because I think (hope) that the secret sauce to be used in the 5DIV sensor will be significantly better that they will want to keep that tech for their higher spec'd bodies for a while. If they role it out to every new body from now on then great, result! They will maintain differentials though so something else will have to give.
I just think that for an entry level FF a 5D3/6D sensor with 80D spec would be a very well balanced camera

 

[dak723]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

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I feel that the only way the 'new' 5DIV sensor tech would make it into a 6D2 would be after the 5DIV was out for at least a year to possibly half way through it's product cycle and that is too long a wait.

Canon don't have that luxury. They're being whipped by both Nikon and Sony in the sensor tech area.

Luckily, in actual usage (as opposed to internet test sites) the pics you get from all the brands is about the same. And when you add in the Canon color algorithms and tonal curve algorithms, plus the Canon lenses, the Canon pics look as good if not better than the Sony and Nikon pics. Just my opinion, of course, having compared the 6D and the Sony A7 models.

 

[j-nord]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

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I feel that the only way the 'new' 5DIV sensor tech would make it into a 6D2 would be after the 5DIV was out for at least a year to possibly half way through it's product cycle and that is too long a wait.

Canon don't have that luxury. They're being whipped by both Nikon and Sony in the sensor tech area.

Luckily, in actual usage (as opposed to internet test sites) the pics you get from all the brands is about the same. And when you add in the Canon color algorithms and tonal curve algorithms, plus the Canon lenses, the Canon pics look as good if not better than the Sony and Nikon pics. Just my opinion, of course, having compared the 6D and the Sony A7 models.

How dare you suggest that there is more involved in a DSLR system than just the sensor test chart numbers!