EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]

[unfocused]

Have you tried reprogramming the menus? I added "External Speedlite control" to the "My Menu", and reprogrammed the SET button to bring up the FEC settings and that really simplified things for me during lit shoots. I really wish you could break out the "Flash function" settings from the External Speedlite control menu and get to it with one touch, then it would be ideal when it's too fiddly to see/reach the ST-E3, but this is workable for me.

Hi, yeah I have the menus set up like that right now but still find it clunkier than it needs to be. I use the Yongnuo triggers and would love to be able to shortcut a button to the Flash Function Settings.

As opposed to....
1. Menu (go to My Menu)
2. Scroll to External Speedlite Control
3. Scroll to Flash function settings
4. Adjust the various settings

When I need to make a slight tweak it's the same again.

I totally agree that the FEC shortcut works great for on camera or single flash shoots but it would be so much easier if this was tidied up a bit.

This is one of the reasons why I advocate for touch-screen technology. It wouldn't be an ideal fix, but it would certainly make things faster if all you had to do was touch the screen to move through the menus.

 

[lilmsmaggie]

IMHO, I think this is the crux of the" "Why did Canon position the 6D ..."

Not everyone is an enthusiast or professional photographer. Taking a page from the cell-phone camera explosion/usage, the average person just wants to take a photograph. They don't necessarily view the nuances of a camera designed for sports/action vs one that's designed for portraiture/landscape, etc. -- truth be told, in most likelihood, they just want a camera to do "Everything" they need it to do within their budget. Consumers don't always know what they need. I would argue that the average camera buyer isn't considering a 2nd camera body to do what the 1st camera body isn't quite designed to do well. I think this is key. In other words, one camera for sports/action, the other for everything else. They WANT the one camera to do EVERYTHING ! -- aka cell phone camera / P&S use aficionados. We see this all the time in the real world: Product X is designed to do a particular thing well; Consumer comes along, buys product X and proceeds to push its capabilities beyond what it was originally designed to do.

Some of you will respond by saying something along the lines of: "You buy the right tool to do the job." But there will be those who will purchase the the wrong tool, assuming it will be sufficient to meet the need (or convinced by some salesperson that "Oh Yeah, you can do that with this -- No problem."

Positioning the 6D at a price point ($1899) that Canon knew would be more than the 7D Mark II ($1799) - just confuses the choice.

A lot of consumer buying decisions will come down to price over features. "Why buy that 6D when I can get that nice new 7D Mark II for less? Besides, doesn't it have newer technology ???."


For the professional, enthusiast and serious amateur its an easier decision. For Joe and Jane America that just wants to take pictures, IMHO Canon muddied the waters.

And now Canon says its disappointed with 6D sales ??? -- Hey Canon! You set the stage.

In my personal opinion as a hobbyist, the Canon 6D is well worth the money for what it was intended to do, "entry level" full frame (not sports). I used a 7D for landscape photography for a couple of years, because that's all I had at the time (I originally bought it for action). The 7D worked for landscape, because I used it! When I saw the performance of the 6D for landscape photography and compared to the 5DIII, I immediately bought my 6D and have been over joyed by the performance. I was happy I didn't waste my money on the 5DIII, on features that wouldn't get me any better of an image my 6D would (of course if I was handed a 5DIII for same money I would take it over 6D).

This weekend I found myself wanting to shoot action for my growing old dog, in the water. All I had in my hands was my 6D, because I gave my 7D away to a relative. I used the 6D and it worked! I'm not saying it worked as well as I wanted it to, and I even cringed when I was about to try it out for action. But it's a camera and it could take a picture of an action shot with the right settings, lens, determination and patience. https://www.flickr.com/photos/1and0hound/14908192883/in/photostream/

So what ever Canon decides to do next, keep, sell and buy, or buy the camera that best suites you for your needs. But don't let it stop you from using it for something you didn't think it was intended for, because you got stuck in a bracket of low end, or middle. You might be surprised at the end result BTW I can't wait for my 7DII that is pre-ordered, and yes I wish it had 4K...

 

[Sportsgal501]

A couple of thoughts:

The "war" between Nikon and Canon (et. al.) may be interesting, comparing model-for-model differences, but at the upper end, it takes quite a bit for advanced DSLR users to switch willy-nilly and suffer the pain of a new lens eco-system and workflow change. As we know, the cost of camera bodies is trivial compared to the investment in lenses and accessories that most ardent photographers make.

It's the point-and-shoot crowd that are the quickest to switch sides for a perceived feature advantage. It took a major change, like full frame HD video support in the 5D Mk2, to make me switch from Nikon to Canon, and I don't see switching back any time soon.

Anyone who's ever tried to use an iPhone (or similar) to do anything beyond snap-shooting will tell you that a high-end DSLR with superior optics and controls is not even remotely comparable. iPhones are well designed and very convenient, but they have tiny crappy lenses that will never be the equal of Canon L glass. I agree that there's iPhone technology that the Canons and Nikons of the world need to take to heart, but for the upper end, its no comparison.

And whenever I hear that another newspaper has fired its photo staff and given iPhones to its reporters, I get chills for all the hard working artists who spent years honing their craft to be told that the world can no longer "afford" competent photography.

So true, a few months ago I was thinking about switching to the Nikon D7100 because Canon was dragging their feet with "rumors" of the 7D Mark II ,just the thought of re-purchasing new lens, speedlites, etc was very much on my mind. I'm very happy that I will get to stay with Canon.

 

[unfocused]

...don't think for a minute that it hasn't been a great success for Canon.

Well the rumour is that it's Canon themselves saying this about the sales not the CR complainers. We just offer up some simple explanations lol

And now Canon says its disappointed with 6D sales ??? -- Hey Canon! You set the stage.

Here we go again. Canon DID NOT say they were disappointed in 6D sales. Some random guy on the internet said Canon is disappointed in 6D sales. No sales numbers to back it up...no statement in Canon's investor briefing...no nothing with any credibility. Just some random guy making things up.

The 6D, for most of the past year, has dominated the Amazon sales ranking as the best selling full frame camera on the market. It's slipped only in the past few weeks due to Nikon's recent introduction of the D750 and the D810 – both of which are meeting pent up demand from Nikon users.

The D610 BTW is at about #31 -- well under both the 7DI and the 60D (two cameras that have been replaced.) The 6D without lens is at #13 right now, and at #20 with lens.

Don't believe every random statement on the internet. Canon could not possibly be disappointed in 6D sales because the camera has been kicking butt since its release. People are simply projecting their own opinion, and then making things up.

 

[Steve Balcombe]

Not everyone is an enthusiast or professional photographer. Taking a page from the cell-phone camera explosion/usage, the average person just wants to take a photograph. They don't necessarily view the nuances of a camera designed for sports/action vs one that's designed for portraiture/landscape, etc. -- truth be told, in most likelihood, they just want a camera to do "Everything" they need it to do within their budget.

I completely agree with you. But - why would such a person want full frame? We know the advantages and disadvantages of full frame vs crop, but why would the person you describe not just want/need a 70D?

Positioning the 6D at a price point ($1899) that Canon knew would be more than the 7D Mark II ($1799) - just confuses the choice.

I'm not sure I subscribe to the view that having a choice is bad because it's confusing!

Full frame sensors remain very expensive, but for some photographers (not the ones we refer to above) the sensor is what they crave, and performance features such as 10 fps and 65-point AF are simply not needed. It's great to be able to choose at a similar, affordable price point. Or if you need both in one body there's the 5D3, obviously for a higher price. The 5D is between generations at the moment so it doesn't directly compare, but I have no doubt that the 5D4 will match up to the 7D2 in every way.

 

[lilmsmaggie]

That's just it Steve. For the average mom/pop, weekend, birthday, special event consumer, photograph the kids zooming around the room or backyard; a 5D Mark III may make sense depending on the perceived consumer need. But It's just a very expensive option for the non-professional, non-serious hobbyist The 6D fills the need (as long as the need is defined and understood), but then there's the 7D Mark II.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying having a choice is bad and I'm not bashing the 6D. It's the pricing of the 6D in light of Canon's planned APS-C body release (6D became available, Sept. 2012 -- 7D MK II avail Oct./Nov. 2014). Emphasis on planned.

Some would say: "Well, if Canon had given the 6D the same 19 AF-points, etc., etc., that the original 7D had, it would take away from 5D III sales. Well, maybe - maybe not.

I'd argue that the same could be true of the 7D Mark II taking away sales from the current 6D.

I've seen this phrase used quite a bit here on CR: "Why does Canon cripple its bodies ...?" A bit strong in terms of terminology. I don't believe Canon intentionally "cripples" its camera line but you have to wonder:

"What if Canon had given the 6D a comparable AF system similar to the original 7D?"

I mean try being that average Joe looking to upgrade and ask yourself these questions:


Would I rather have a FF 61-point AF, 5D Mark III ($3399); or
Would I rather have a FF 19-point AF, 6D ($1899 - if it had been available); or
Would I rather have an APS-C 65-point AF, 7D Mark II ($1799)

In the above scenario -- many of us wouldn't hesitate to spring for the 19-point AF 6D --IF, we were considering moving from a crop-body to FF or as back-up to our existing FF camera.

Sure, you would loose the perceived reach the crop-body would give but man, a 19-point AF 6D would be sweet.

It could be the camera that fits --"everything I need it to do" for the very consumer demographic Canon is attempting to entice or whatever it is Canon marketing is doing. But I agree, in light of the 7D Mark II's 65-point all cross-type dual pixel AF system, 10 FPS, the 5D Mark ??? will be one hella camera.

Not everyone is an enthusiast or professional photographer. Taking a page from the cell-phone camera explosion/usage, the average person just wants to take a photograph. They don't necessarily view the nuances of a camera designed for sports/action vs one that's designed for portraiture/landscape, etc. -- truth be told, in most likelihood, they just want a camera to do "Everything" they need it to do within their budget.

I completely agree with you. But - why would such a person want full frame? We know the advantages and disadvantages of full frame vs crop, but why would the person you describe not just want/need a 70D?

Positioning the 6D at a price point ($1899) that Canon knew would be more than the 7D Mark II ($1799) - just confuses the choice.

I'm not sure I subscribe to the view that having a choice is bad because it's confusing!

Full frame sensors remain very expensive, but for some photographers (not the ones we refer to above) the sensor is what they crave, and performance features such as 10 fps and 65-point AF are simply not needed. It's great to be able to choose at a similar, affordable price point. Or if you need both in one body there's the 5D3, obviously for a higher price. The 5D is between generations at the moment so it doesn't directly compare, but I have no doubt that the 5D4 will match up to the 7D2 in every way.

 

[Nethawk]

Here we go again. Canon DID NOT say they were disappointed in 6D sales. Some random guy on the internet said Canon is disappointed in 6D sales. No sales numbers to back it up...no statement in Canon's investor briefing...no nothing with any credibility. Just some random guy making things up.

The 6D, for most of the past year, has dominated the Amazon sales ranking as the best selling full frame camera on the market. It's slipped only in the past few weeks due to Nikon's recent introduction of the D750 and the D810 – both of which are meeting pent up demand from Nikon users.

The D610 BTW is at about #31 -- well under both the 7DI and the 60D (two cameras that have been replaced.) The 6D without lens is at #13 right now, and at #20 with lens.

Don't believe every random statement on the internet. Canon could not possibly be disappointed in 6D sales because the camera has been kicking butt since its release. People are simply projecting their own opinion, and then making things up.

I refer you to the original message in this thread:

We’re told that Canon hasn’t been fully satisfied with the sales of the Canon EOS 6D, a camera which I personally love for its size and simplicity.

While I acknowledge that this is a site for rumors, if it's just a random guy on the internet making things up I just have to ask - why are you here?

 

[jeffa4444]

In the past week Ive played with a 7dMKII. No question its superior to the original 7d in IQ, but and its a slim but I prefer the images from the 6d when viewed full screen on my iMac for sharpness in every other manner they are virtually identical IQ wise.
The in-built GPS for landscape also swings the 6d for me plus the lighter weight.

Note to Canon - If and when the MKII 6d comes just improve two things to appease the douters a. AF points b. move to 7d toggle rather than d pad. Finally keep the price point in the same ballpark or Sony will eat you alive.

 

[erjlphoto]

<p>We’re told that Canon hasn’t been fully satisfied with the sales of the Canon EOS 6D, a camera which I personally love for its size and simplicity. We’re told that the next iteration of the camera is likely to move upmarket

Sounds like a good observation. I have had two 6D's (last one stolen) and love the IQ of this camera as well as it's size. However, I think that just the number of autofocus points causes many to look at other choices. Unfortunate, as I like many others only use the center point anyway.....

My best guess is a price point of 2295 body only for a 6D ii or whatever they call it.

 

[ashmadux]

<p>We’re told that Canon hasn’t been fully satisfied with the sales of the Canon EOS 6D, a camera which I personally love for its size and simplicity. We’re told that the next iteration of the camera is likely to move upmarket

Sounds like a good observation. I have had two 6D's (last one stolen) and love the IQ of this camera as well as it's size. However, I think that just the number of autofocus points causes many to look at other choices. Unfortunately, as I like many others only use the center point anyway.....

My best guess is a price point of 2295 body only for a 6D ii or whatever they call it.

Sounds like something that canon would do, afterwards they will probably try to sell the 5d3 for 3499. They can justify is by saying its half the price of a 1dxm2


Question- why 2 6d's?

 

[tat3406]

...But right now when data plans are in the single to tens of GB and now you want to load raw files to the cloud for processing/social consumption... 22 to 40 MP files are going to eat into that capacity quickly and we're just not there yet where the infrastructure can support that at a reasonable cost. Stuff packaged for iPad/cell phone consumption are low res to save space.

Yeah, I don't see it as a replacement for how we process and save files today. I'm just suggesting that having the ability to edit and upload a few JPEGs in real time could give some photographers a competitive edge.

I know many photographers dread the thought of having to worry about posting images while an event is still going on. But, I don't think the pressure is going to go away; I think it will only get stronger. It's nice to say that clients should just be patient and wait for our brilliantly composed and edited pictures, but the reality is they won't.

All I'm suggesting is that camera manufacturers need to make it easier for photographers to deliver some of those brilliantly composed and edited pictures sooner.

The original 6D already have wifi. I had shoot some picture for a food magazine, I am not a pro to do this. So I set up my camera(6D) and connect to my phone, shoot some picture and choose some best shoot and send to editor through my phone right away. The editor choose which photo they need or give opinion where to adjust accordingly. At the end, only transfer to my laptop and edit the picture picked by editor and send to them.

I also always download photo from my camera and upload to social media on the go, not convenient as smart phone, but 8)

 

[Sabaki]

So the term used here is "6D Mark II To Move Upmarket"...I'm hoping for a bit more to be honest.

I want to be competitive in respect of the Nikon offering in the same segment and I want to it have a feature set that makes to worth every cent one will spend on it.

I want Canon to stop crippling their cameras as to protect their flagship models. If you want to protect your flagship models Canon, make their performance absolute.

I've decided not to buy the 6D as I'm hoping that 2015 is a year where Canon outdoes themselves and I'm hoping that this time next year, a 6D mkii is released and blows us all away

 

[e17paul]

As a very happy 6D user (Landscape doesn't require fancy AF) I would be appaulled if Canon added a large increase on the 6D MKII without making an entry level camera in the FF sector their is no way I would pay £1,000 / $ 1600 more.

+1, but we can expect launch prices of the 5D4 and 6D2 to be back up to the launch prices of the 5D3 and 6D.

The 6D is not a long way from the spec of the 5D2, and did not become available until most of the 5D2 stock had been cleared. I'm therefore expecting the 6D2 to ingerit features from the 5D3 (in addition to it's own unique features) a respectable period after launch of the higher spec 5D4.

Perhaps the current 6D feature set will find its way into a low end polycarbonate bodied camera, as full frame continues its slow and steady march down the price scale. First there was only the 1Ds, then there was the 5D, then there was also the 6D, then there was ....

 

[Marsu42]

Perhaps the current 6D feature set will find its way into a low end polycarbonate bodied camera, as full frame continues its slow and steady march down the price scale. First there was only the 1Ds, then there was the 5D, then there was also the 6D, then there was ....

... then Canon had a problem, because too many "good enough" cameras are available on the market - either sensor or af system.

In the good ol' times, you needed a 1d4 to track anything reliably, but now there's the 70d with the 7d1 af system and the 7d2 which is comparable to a 1d4. In the good ol' times, you needed an expensive 5d2 to ff landscape joyfulness, but now there's the 6d with a better sensor.

Unless Canon comes up with something really new (and not just some goodies like dpaf for the video crowd), they cannot continue to trickle down features to less expensive/sturdy bodies, or their high-end sales will plummet. That's why I don't expect to see a 6d2 anytime soon.

 

[drob]

Seriously, the only updates a Mark 2 would need to be competitive is DPAF/updated AF (maybe old 7d with dual pixel). 2 card slots, better weather sealing, digic 6. $1600.00 body only. Doesn't have to be revolutionary, just more competitive with Nikon and Sony offering. The "good glass" excuse only goes so far, Sony's A7ii looks rockin, great package and IQ at a great price and amazing size. Canon neededs to step up.

 

[robbinzo]

I've been a Canon fanboy for some years, however...

I was excited about the 6D before it was announced. Then I realised that the 70D was adequate. Therefore Canon succeeded in down-selling to me (as opposed to up-selling).
Now I'm preparing to jump to the Sony A7 II. I can even keep my favorite Canon lenses.
I don't care about Canons profit margins. I want the best quality product at the best price and I want genuine innovation, not some ancient AF system that is "good enough" or some lens that is adequate and just a little bit too expensive for what it is.
I have come to realise that I personally want small, light and full frame. That is the Sony A7. Canon do not have an answer to the Sony A7 series. Canon need to address this or they will fail in the "entry level" FF segment in my humble opinion. It seems to me that entry level FF is mirrorless, not DSLR. DSLR really is Dinosour Single Lens Reflex. Companies that fail to innovate eventually fail. This is true in all aspects of business, especially tech.

I am an "entry level" FF customer and I can tell you that I don't really want to carry around a DSLR any more, nor do I have to.

From my own perspective, Canon is stuck in the past. They will not allow 3rd party manufacturers to have the algorithms for the Canon AF system. Sony on the other hand have gone in entirely the opposite direction and are allowing 3rd party lens manufacturers to produce AF lenses for Sony cameras. Sony are not renowned for lenses like Canon - but this may turn Sony's disadvantage to their advantage by allowing the consumer unrivalled CHOICE of lenses.

 

[Djaaf]

They will not allow 3rd party manufacturers to have the algorithms for the Canon AF system. Sony on the other hand have gone in entirely the opposite direction and are allowing 3rd party lens manufacturers to produce AF lenses for Sony cameras. Sony are not renowned for lenses like Canon - but this may turn Sony's disadvantage to their advantage by allowing the consumer unrivalled CHOICE of lenses.

Yeah, well, unrivalled choice of lenses, ok. But at what price ?
The metabones adapter are nice, but at 400+$ apiece, they better be (and you still have some issues with AF from what I read).
If you want the "best there is" with a Sony A7II, you have to buy at least 2 adapters. That's 800$ more to add to the body price.

And if you go for lenses with adapter, well... the advantage of the A7 II in size and weight is not that impressive anymore...

So, yeah, the A7 II is really nice, and I'd love for Canon to come up with a line of FF-mirrorless with a set of pancake or very small primes, but for now, I'm staying with my 6D.

Djaaf.

 

[tcmatthews]

As a very happy 6D user (Landscape doesn't require fancy AF) I would be appaulled if Canon added a large increase on the 6D MKII without making an entry level camera in the FF sector their is no way I would pay £1,000 / $ 1600 more.

+1, but we can expect launch prices of the 5D4 and 6D2 to be back up to the launch prices of the 5D3 and 6D.

The 6D is not a long way from the spec of the 5D2, and did not become available until most of the 5D2 stock had been cleared. I'm therefore expecting the 6D2 to ingerit features from the 5D3 (in addition to it's own unique features) a respectable period after launch of the higher spec 5D4.

Perhaps the current 6D feature set will find its way into a low end polycarbonate bodied camera, as full frame continues its slow and steady march down the price scale. First there was only the 1Ds, then there was the 5D, then there was also the 6D, then there was ....

The Rebel F.

I fully think that this is Canons plan. I expect that we will see the 5D4 and a full frame rebel before the 6DII is released. The problem is the time table. If they are too slow in this trickle then they will loss the entry market completely. I think that the real trouble is in the Rebel market.

The Sony A6000 is a better camera than any of the rebels except it does not naively take Canon glass. I dont own one but I expect the auto focus to also fail in low light before the Canon Rebel auto focus. The m43 cameras have improved greatly. Fujifilm makes good cameras. There are so many good cameras on the market that used to be dominated by Canon/Nikon. Low end Canon Rebels are excellent gateways into the Canon lens system. But you just want a camera dont already own Canon Lens, or your not a cannon fan boy there are better cameras on the market.

Canon is sticking to their game plan. Nikon is throwing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks. Sony cant sell a SLR to save their life but found people love these mirrorless things they keep putting out. So they are going to put them out as fast as possible until they get it right.

The 6D2 will move up market in specks because it has to. But if they move it up market in price people will be screaming. I think that $2400 with a kit lens is a fair price for a 5D3.(At least that is what one is worth to me which I why I don't own one) If they can put a 6D2 with 5D3 specks at that price I will buy one. But for the love of god put a articulating screen on it. I am tire of crawling on the ground with my 6D.

 

[tcmatthews]

They will not allow 3rd party manufacturers to have the algorithms for the Canon AF system. Sony on the other hand have gone in entirely the opposite direction and are allowing 3rd party lens manufacturers to produce AF lenses for Sony cameras. Sony are not renowned for lenses like Canon - but this may turn Sony's disadvantage to their advantage by allowing the consumer unrivalled CHOICE of lenses.

Yeah, well, unrivalled choice of lenses, ok. But at what price ?
The metabones adapter are nice, but at 400+$ apiece, they better be (and you still have some issues with AF from what I read).
If you want the "best there is" with a Sony A7II, you have to buy at least 2 adapters. That's 800$ more to add to the body price.

And if you go for lenses with adapter, well... the advantage of the A7 II in size and weight is not that impressive anymore...

So, yeah, the A7 II is really nice, and I'd love for Canon to come up with a line of FF-mirrorless with a set of pancake or very small primes, but for now, I'm staying with my 6D.

Djaaf.

The best use of an A7II is vintage glass found stuffed in a family members closet or bough off ebay. Especially with the addition of in body stabilization. The quality of the lens is not as good as modern lenses but they can have lots of character. They also tend to be smaller. You can also convert old rangefinder lens. There are converters for just about any lens ever made. I bough a Metabones adapter to fill in the holes Lens range and use the camera as a backup as need. But all my other adapters were cheep around $25. I was able to build up a complete set of primes from 24-135 fairly cheaply.

• Canon fd 24mm f2.8 >$50
• Vivitar fd 28mm f2.5 free in Dads closet
• Canon fd 35f2 ~100 Ebay (got into bidding war payed to much but it is sharp
• Canon fd 50 1.8 free Hate it as much as EF 50 1.8 there almost no improvement in quality between the two
• Canon fdn 50 Macro free sharp but to slow I do not have life size converter
• m42 Pancolar Zeiss Jena DDR 50f1.8 Love it It destroys the Canon 50f1.8 $100
• m42 Asahi Pentax Super-Takumar 50f1.4 $100
• Canon fd 135f2.5 free

I bought the Canon EF85f1.8 to fill in the 85mm hole. It went on sale and was only $50 more than the going price on the of the fd 85f1.8 on ebay.

I do not think you can have as much fun manual focusing on any other modern system. But I would not buy one for sports or birds. Auto focus with converted lens in my opinion is futile. I am still waiting to see what the rumored A9 brings. If it is to expensive I will just by the A7II.

The truth is I had my heart set on buying a A7r before I found out they did not include first curtain electronic shutter. This was a deal beaker on the A7r for me. The original A7 did not offer enough features. There was not enough native lens. Not enough resolution over a Canon 6D. No native ultra wide. 35f2.8 are you kidding me that should be a 35f2 at least. In the end I felt that it would be foolish to buy a A7 and use it with a bunch of converted lens with out having a full frame camera for reference. The Tamron 28-75f2.8 does not auto focus at all with a Metabones adapter. This would leave me with out a general purpose zoom for the A7 so I would have to buy the kit.

The only full frame lens range I am missing is Ultra wide so in the end I bough a 6D. I am very happy with it. My next lens purchase will be the Canon 16-35f4. I continue using the Nex6 for the vintage lenses. I am looking for a High MP camera.

An A7II is a good camera as long as you know what you are getting into.

 

[Djaaf]

The best use of an A7II is vintage glass found stuffed in a family members closet or bough off ebay. Especially with the addition of in body stabilization. The quality of the lens is not as good as modern lenses but they can have lots of character. They also tend to be smaller. You can also convert old rangefinder lens. There are converters for just about any lens ever made. I bough a Metabones adapter to fill in the holes Lens range and use the camera as a backup as need. But all my other adapters were cheep around $25. I was able to build up a complete set of primes from 24-135 fairly cheaply.

• Canon fd 24mm f2.8 >$50
• Vivitar fd 28mm f2.5 free in Dads closet
• Canon fd 35f2 ~100 Ebay (got into bidding war payed to much but it is sharp
• Canon fd 50 1.8 free Hate it as much as EF 50 1.8 there almost no improvement in quality between the two
• Canon fdn 50 Macro free sharp but to slow I do not have life size converter
• m42 Pancolar Zeiss Jena DDR 50f1.8 Love it It destroys the Canon 50f1.8 $100
• m42 Asahi Pentax Super-Takumar 50f1.4 $100
• Canon fd 135f2.5 free

I bought the Canon EF85f1.8 to fill in the 85mm hole. It went on sale and was only $50 more than the going price on the of the fd 85f1.8 on ebay.

I do not think you can have as much fun manual focusing on any other modern system. But I would not buy one for sports or birds. Auto focus with converted lens in my opinion is futile. I am still waiting to see what the rumored A9 brings. If it is to expensive I will just by the A7II.

The truth is I had my heart set on buying a A7r before I found out they did not include first curtain electronic shutter. This was a deal beaker on the A7r for me. The original A7 did not offer enough features. There was not enough native lens. Not enough resolution over a Canon 6D. No native ultra wide. 35f2.8 are you kidding me that should be a 35f2 at least. In the end I felt that it would be foolish to buy a A7 and use it with a bunch of converted lens with out having a full frame camera for reference. The Tamron 28-75f2.8 does not auto focus at all with a Metabones adapter. This would leave me with out a general purpose zoom for the A7 so I would have to buy the kit.

The only full frame lens range I am missing is Ultra wide so in the end I bough a 6D. I am very happy with it. My next lens purchase will be the Canon 16-35f4. I continue using the Nex6 for the vintage lenses. I am looking for a High MP camera.

An A7II is a good camera as long as you know what you are getting into.

Pretty much my point and pretty much the reason why I have a 6D and an OM-D E-M10...

If you want an A7 II, don't buy it thinking you'll be able to use every lens ever made at 0 cost and with full functionnality. Adapters for AF-lenses are not cheap and AF is not as good as on the original bodies it was made for.
For vintage glass, it's really nice and cheap, though (but it's back to manual everything).


Djaaf.