EOS 7D Mark II Announcement in Q2 of 2014 [CR1]

[Richard8971]

The 7D2 was past "due" a couple of years ago. I'm not saying that Canon won't make a 7D replacement but the firmware update seems like Canon was trying to appease the mob while they were figuring out what to do. I love my 7D and I believe that a replacement would be a top seller, provided it not only was fast but also reigned as a low noise camera as well. I would prefer that Canon kept (or dropped) the MP and concentrated on image quality over more megapixels.

It does seem likely that this is not the year for a 7D replacement. I think the 70D is poised to compete with the best Nikon crop sensor offering, the D7100. Canon may view the 70D as they did the 6D. It offered some improvement over the 5D2 in a newer body. But who knows?

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[Lee Jay]

Seeing as the D4s is coming with a 'new' 16 mp sensor, I'm going to be brave and guess the 7DII will also be 16 mp, aps class leading low light performance, very fast and no pop up flash. See you in the second quarter.

Please God hear our prayers. Only 16 megapixel camera with ISO 3200 without noise bothering, costing less than $ 2000.

I'd rather have 24, 32 or even 72MP. More resolution and less noise that way.

 

[slclick]

Seeing as the D4s is coming with a 'new' 16 mp sensor, I'm going to be brave and guess the 7DII will also be 16 mp, aps class leading low light performance, very fast and no pop up flash. See you in the second quarter.

Please God hear our prayers. Only 16 megapixel camera with ISO 3200 without noise bothering, costing less than $ 2000.

I'd rather have 24, 32 or even 72MP. More resolution and less noise that way.

And then Canon makes it's real money on selling you lenses which the sensor won't outresolve!

 

[sanj]

Is this even news?

 

[jrista]

So, this is a rumor that there will soon be a rumor?

It is a discussion as to the accuracy of a rumour that there may soon be a rumour of a possible announcement that there may be a release of specifications in advance of a product release.

Translation: nobody knows

I.E. Rumormongering

 

[RGF]

There is a 100% chance that the 7dII will or will not possibly be released in the 2nd,3rd, or 4th quarter, depending of course on weather conditions and the alignment of the planets. If not, maybe or maybe not, 2015 will possibly see the release of the 7dIII, skipping over the 7dII. Depending on how many rumors there are, of course. CR 0.75. Maybe.

I think you would do well as a weather forecaster

 

[RGF]

Is this even news?

yes because we replied, read it

 

[Viper28]

Seeing as the D4s is coming with a 'new' 16 mp sensor, I'm going to be brave and guess the 7DII will also be 16 mp, aps class leading low light performance, very fast and no pop up flash. See you in the second quarter.

Please God hear our prayers. Only 16 megapixel camera with ISO 3200 without noise bothering, costing less than $ 2000.

I'd rather have 24, 32 or even 72MP. More resolution and less noise that way.

And then Canon makes it's real money on selling you lenses which the sensor won't outresolve!

I would prefer the 16-18mpx low noise, high DR option myself. Keep it at 8-fps but improve the AF so that 8-fps in AI-Servo is totally reliable (cos it isn't now).

On the lens front, I'm not sure its in Canon's interest to go high mpx. You could argue that the more mpx you have the harder you can crop and hence the less need to by those expensive super telephoto's :

 

[Lee Jay]

I would prefer the 16-18mpx low noise, high DR option myself.

For the millionth time, lower pixel counts do NOT mean lower noise and higher DR! In fact, the other way is more likely.

 

[jrista]

Seeing as the D4s is coming with a 'new' 16 mp sensor, I'm going to be brave and guess the 7DII will also be 16 mp, aps class leading low light performance, very fast and no pop up flash. See you in the second quarter.

Please God hear our prayers. Only 16 megapixel camera with ISO 3200 without noise bothering, costing less than $ 2000.

I'd rather have 24, 32 or even 72MP. More resolution and less noise that way.

That's a misconception. If you account for noise as a factor of total sensor area, it doesn't really matter how large or small your pixel are. The expectation is that you are downsampling any and all of those sensors to some common output size...i.e. the same magnification.

Otherwise, smaller pixels are always going to have more noise at the pixel level. Any technology you might apply to smaller pixels is applicable to larger pixels. Any potential technological gains you might have that allow smaller pixels are only going to make bigger pixels better. In no way can smaller pixels be less noisy than larger pixels. They may resolve more detail, but assuming Q.E. remains roughly the same, that detail WILL be noisier.


All else being equal, if you have 6 micron pixels and 3 micron pixels, the 3 micron pixels are going to have 1/4 the FWC. A 6 micron pixel might have 60,000e- max charge at ISO 100, where as a 3 micron pixel is going to have 15,000e- max charge. Since noise is the square root of the signal, you have 244e- noise with 6 micron pixels, and 122e- noise with 3 micron pixels. In other words, you have a 244:1 SNR with 6 micron pixels, and a 122:1 SNR with 3 micron pixels.

The only way to make those smaller pixels equal to the larger pixels is to downsample by a factor of two.

 

[The_Sinister]

Although I have been waiting to upgrade from the T3i to the 7d Mark ii for the longest time, if Canon continues uninspiring body upgrades, here is what I am predicting:

18mp sensor
70d af
20fps
1080p 60fps video recording
1 CF slot
a tad more weather sealing
Last but not least, the famous "Mark II" badge

 

[nicku]

I have a question :

With the new 7D Mark 2 on the horizon..... Nikon will launch the the illusive D400 or they will let Canon reign supreme over the pro APS-C segment?? The Nikon line died with the D300s?

Opinions...... ?

 

[traveller]

Seeing as the D4s is coming with a 'new' 16 mp sensor, I'm going to be brave and guess the 7DII will also be 16 mp, aps class leading low light performance, very fast and no pop up flash. See you in the second quarter.

Please God hear our prayers. Only 16 megapixel camera with ISO 3200 without noise bothering, costing less than $ 2000.

I'd rather have 24, 32 or even 72MP. More resolution and less noise that way.

That's a misconception. If you account for noise as a factor of total sensor area, it doesn't really matter how large or small your pixel are. The expectation is that you are downsampling any and all of those sensors to some common output size...i.e. the same magnification.

Otherwise, smaller pixels are always going to have more noise at the pixel level. Any technology you might apply to smaller pixels is applicable to larger pixels. Any potential technological gains you might have that allow smaller pixels are only going to make bigger pixels better. In no way can smaller pixels be less noisy than larger pixels. They may resolve more detail, but assuming Q.E. remains roughly the same, that detail WILL be noisier.


All else being equal, if you have 6 micron pixels and 3 micron pixels, the 3 micron pixels are going to have 1/4 the FWC. A 6 micron pixel might have 60,000e- max charge at ISO 100, where as a 3 micron pixel is going to have 15,000e- max charge. Since noise is the square root of the signal, you have 244e- noise with 6 micron pixels, and 122e- noise with 3 micron pixels. In other words, you have a 244:1 SNR with 6 micron pixels, and a 122:1 SNR with 3 micron pixels.

The only way to make those smaller pixels equal to the larger pixels is to downsample by a factor of two.

What's the problem with having a high resolution sensor that allows detailed images at low ISO and then downsampling to reduce noise when you need to used higher ISOs?

I'm asking because you seem to know your stuff and I'd like to get this cleared up once and for all!

 

[traveller]

People seem to be suggesting (not just on this forum) that Canon are scratching their heads over the potential specifications of a 7D Mk II. I'd have thought that it was pretty obvious -an APS-C sensor version of the 5D Mk III with a higher frame rate (i.e. 8-12fps).

The elephant in the room is whether the 20MP sensor from the 70D is good enough for their "flagship APS-C camera" or whether Canon are waiting to launch a new generation of sensors in the 7D Mk II. The more time passes from the 70D's introduction, the more likely I think the 7D Mk II will be the launch vehicle for the new generation of sensor; I would therefore expect any announcement to be just prior to Photokina. [Sod's law they will announce it next month and make this prediction wrong! :]

 

[expatinasia]

People seem to be suggesting (not just on this forum) that Canon are scratching their heads over the potential specifications of a 7D Mk II. I'd have thought that it was pretty obvious -an APS-C sensor version of the 5D Mk III with a higher frame rate (i.e. 8-12fps).

The elephant in the room is whether the 20MP sensor from the 70D is good enough for their "flagship APS-C camera" or whether Canon are waiting to launch a new generation of sensors in the 7D Mk II. The more time passes from the 70D's introduction, the more likely I think the 7D Mk II will be the launch vehicle for the new generation of sensor; I would therefore expect any announcement to be just prior to Photokina. [Sod's law they will announce it next month and make this prediction wrong! :]

Purely speculation but I would imagine one of Canon's biggest concerns is a new 7D Mark II potentially eating into 1D X and the big white market. They need to make it attractive enough, but not so attractive to take away any of the market from their flagship body and lenses.

 

[Gorku]

The Canon 7D Mark II will come out just after the Nikon D400 comes out ....... ;D

 

[jonjt]

After all this time, I would expect the 7Dmkii to be a vehicle to introduce new sensor technology to the market. It's the only reasonable explinatin I can think of for the time that has ellapsed between the 7D's release and now. I'd almost say that Canon has to release a body with a drastic change in sensor technology, if they are going to compete with Sony and Nikon.


If they just slap some derivative of the 70D's sensor in the 7Dmkii, I think a lot of people are going to ditch their Canon bodies.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

We’re waiting for the usual sources to speak up, which would happen soon if the Q2 announcement rumors are true.

So am I ... this has been a long wait ... hope the MK II lives up to its hype and expectations.

 

[Canon1]

Honestly... I vote that this should be the last cr1 released on this body. These are no longer becoming speculative rumor, but rather redundant and laughable. (I think we were there 12 months ago...) Dig in deep CR... find a cr2!

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Seeing as the D4s is coming with a 'new' 16 mp sensor, I'm going to be brave and guess the 7DII will also be 16 mp, aps class leading low light performance, very fast and no pop up flash. See you in the second quarter.

Please God hear our prayers. Only 16 megapixel camera with ISO 3200 without noise bothering, costing less than $ 2000.

I'd rather have 24, 32 or even 72MP. More resolution and less noise that way.

24, 32 or even 72 megapixel in APS-C sensor? : Why bother if already available Nokia Lumia 1020 with 42 megapixel? Which lenses can truly "see" 72 megapixel resolution in APS-C sensor? ??? ??? ??? Maybe Zeiss Otus stoped down 4 stops?