EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]

[PerfectSavage]

That's a long wait for a new camera, none of which will touch the Nikon D600 available now.

I am a Canon fanboi, with 5DII and L lenses to prove it. But I just ordered a Samsung EX2F instead of G15, and I am seriously looking at the D600.

I wish Canon would go all out and give everything they can in a 5D size body. But it isn't going to happen in this round. I doubt I can wait another 3 - 4 years.

dude, the D600 is getting rheamed by its own Nikon fan boys... it doesn't even allow manual settings in video. Nikon confirmed that to Philip Bloom in an interview at Photokina Friday. A Canon Rebel is better for video than the D600. Spec sheets aren't worth the paper they're printed on...they leave out the "S___ we can't do" section every time...

I'll definitely wait for full reviews, but DPR were sure excited about the D600 in their initial Preview.

hey, I'm a Canon Fan, not because I like the company or that I'm particularly brand loyal, but because Canon used to be unbeatable, at least in my price range. I think they can be today, but choose not to go all in with their new products. The market is competitive, Canon needs to roar.

No I get it... I just think anyone saying "this is better..." or worse... "Canon / Nikon missed the boat" etc. based on a spec sheet when no one has shot the first frame with a production version needs to chill. Spec sheets are worthless, images and useability are everything.

 

[PerfectSavage]

I hope that the shutter on my 50D will keep on running long enough for a decent replacement...

Amen. I have $2700 toward an upgrade on my 50D. It sure does not look like it is a good time to upgrade. The 6D is underwhelming (shutter and focusing system). 5D hasn't dropped in price (I'm just not quick enough on the specials) 7D and 60D are old. I may just sit on my wallet until 2013 or until I hit 5D special

I think you're smart. My guess is the 5D3 is closer to 3K USD ($2,999-3,099) by the holidays...and the 6D down a bit to $1,999-2099. You can probably score a gently used 5D2 for $1,300 by end of year too. The question is where does the 7D2 street price come in? It has to be higher than the 1700 street price of the original 7D launch three years ago...but with the 6D at 2K ish, do they make it the same, little less, little more? I'm taking a guess they put it in around 2,300 now that they have the 60D/70D which didn't exist when the 7D1 came out and 50D was way behind... Everyone forgets how much they increased the 5D3 from 5D2... and with a new sensor vastly improving ISO/NR in 7D2, they might go for a higher price given the pro build quality, pro AF etc. compared to the 6D enthusiast design. Spring is a long way away though...

 

[c.d.embrey]

If it's true that there is a 70D and 7D2 coming next year, than Canon will own the APS-C market. Look's like Nikon may be abandonig their better DX cameras 'cuz there are NO rumors about a D7200 or a D400. And that would be bad, without compition to drive R&D there would be little inovation

I need better not more, a high qualiy 16/18 Mp will be fine. Just give me better Image Quality, better Low Light ability, better Metering and better Focusing.

What APS-C needs are some fast primes for both their still cameras AND the Canon C100 DigitalCine camera. For a lot of things slow zooms just don't cut it. A 15mm (=24mmFF) and a 22mm (=36mm FF) would be a good start. Next a 10mm (=16mm FF) and a 30mm (=48mm FF).

 

[PerfectSavage]

Flexible video crop (full-frame to 1:1 crop in all modes) for all these cameras.
5DIII firmware update to include flexible video cropping.
...
Big time bonus - native DNG format, including the option to use the new lossy DNG raw format (huge, huge advantage over MRAW/SRAW). Include this in the above-mentioned 5DIII firmware update.

Yeah...I'd definitely crack open the checkbook for that.

I do not. All you videots ... stop your whining over bloody video features in bloody stills cameras, especially in DSLRS. Get it into your head, that a DSRL is the single worst possible videocam .. by its very nature. Now go away. Leave us in peace. Do yourself a favour and buy a decent camcorder from Canon or from Sony ... loaded with all the video crap on earth. Zebra stripes, all sorts of video output options, audio levels, 99 microphones, and anything more. Today these camcorders even come cheaper than a 5D III ... 3000 USD for a Sony VEX Full Frame HD camcorder ... just buy it and vanish from the stills photography sections of forums.

ah, Dinosaurs DO still exist...

 

[that1guyy]

The 70D was supposed to come out around this time. I hope Canon gets their act together and releases it by the first half of 2013 in good quantities...I've waited for cameras enough.

I want:

Better sensor for low noise at all ISOs
Better codec (All-I) with higher bit rate and lower compression and better downsampling
eliminate moire, aliasing, and rolling shutter
1080p 60p

For stills:
6fps burst rate
built in intervalometer
built in HDR mode


COME ON CANON. The GH3 does all this for $1300. The sony DSLTs all do this.

 

[pwp]

Announcements in the first half of 2013. Delivery in 2014. Can someone give me a wake up call?

Ask Siri...

-PW

 

[Albi86]

No I get it... I just think anyone saying "this is better..." or worse... "Canon / Nikon missed the boat" etc. based on a spec sheet when no one has shot the first frame with a production version needs to chill. Spec sheets are worthless, images and useability are everything.

First reviews and sample images are online. And they look good to me. Very good.

 

[sagittariansrock]

. if 7D2 came out APS-C... than the APS-H sensor will be officially killed by Canon. I understand the cost / production factor; but they will kill the biggest advantage ( marketing effect ) they ever had over the competition considering the last announcements in DSLR world by Nikon and Sony.

Is it such a big loss for Canon if they ditch the APS-H? As far as I understand, APS-H filled a stop gap role to provide a bigger sensor when digital FF hadn't been built yet. That is no longer relevant. Also, it provided a lower resolution/file size to allow for high burst/frame rates. That is also irrelevant with the faster processors. Finally, it allowed for longer reach for sports/wildlife shooters. I can see that easily covered by an in-camera APS-H crop mode on FF cameras, if the FF resolution is >26 MP. Not that the APS-H cameras were particularly cheap! On the other hand, their FOVCF goes only down to 1.3 times of the widest EF focal length (~18mm). Am I missing something here?

 

[Richard8971]

I am curious to see what Canon plans for a 7D replacement. I love my 7D and I find myself reaching for it more often than my 5D2 for wildlife shots. It is one hell of a fast camera and consistantly produces amazing images.

Canon has refurbs on sale right now for under $1100.00 (body only). If you were to buy a 7D now, you would not be disappointed. Canon really did themselves in on this one. Any replacement to the XD (7D) line would have to be anything less than perfection because the 7D is as close to perfection in a crop body as you can get!

D

 

[verysimplejason]

Do you think the new sensor will have a better DR at lower ISO than the 5D3 and 1DX? I wish it would but knowing Canon's strategy, it will not happen. It will just be the same thing all over again... :-\

 

[adhocphotographer]

I just hope my little 450D can make it that long, it's on its last legs i think! ... oh well, i guess glass will have to fill the gap for me! Same sensor in all makes sense, though I'm just hoping there is a notable improvement in it!

 

[Richard8971]

Do you think the new sensor will have a better DR at lower ISO than the 5D3 and 1DX? I wish it would but knowing Canon's strategy, it will not happen. It will just be the same thing all over again... :-\

If you are referring to an APS-C sensor, that is not, honestly, a fair question or comparison. Crop sensors will ALWAYS have more noise and suffer more DR than their FF counterparts. At ISO 100, 200... It can be hard to tell the difference, but the colors will be smoother on FF sensors. FF will usually win out on image quality over an APS-C sensor image, but the advantage of the crop sensor is increased reach and speed at a lower cost.

Each sensor has a plus and a minus to offer over the other sensors.

D

 

[Woody]

If you are referring to an APS-C sensor, that is not, honestly, a fair question or comparison. Crop sensors will ALWAYS have more noise and suffer more DR than their FF counterparts.

That is not true. The Nikon D7000 easily beats ALL Canon FF cameras for DR. Canon sensors have been stuck in the ~ 12 stops of dynamic range for ever and ever.

 

[Chosenbydestiny]

I think Canon is doing an okay job making a camera for almost everyone's needs right now considering their losses through natural disasters and Nikon's.... I mean Sony's jump on sensors. Honestly, if you can't take a great photo between ISO 100 (or even 50) and ISO 1600, which is the most common area for all photographers.... What's the point? Wow, I'm a wedding photographer and it's crucial to my survival that I take clean photos at ISO 104k+ Wow, I didn't even know people were actually there in that dark spot until I took the photo. Canon's sensor is so far behind awwwww Boo-frikkety-hoo. People made it work for so many years, and they're still making it work now. "OMG DYNAMIC RANGE I CAN'T TAKE THE PHOTO CORRECTLY TO BEGIN WITH SO I NEED TO MAKE UP FOR IT IN POST. I HAVE LESS AF POINTS AND IN MY MIND ALL OF THE PHOTOS ARE OUT OF FOCUS. OMG THE SENSOR IS THE HEART OF THE IMAGE AND WITHOUT HIGH SPECS I CAN'T TAKE A PHOTO. SPECS ARE EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN MARKETING SAID SO. I HAVE NO SENSE OF PHYSICS OR CREATIVITY, WAAAAAAAAH. I DON'T CARE ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHY ITSELF, I WANT TO WORK IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. I LIKE TROLLING. I LIKE GOING TO CANON'S FORUM AND BASHING CANON BECAUSE THEY'RE #1 IN MARKETSHARE AND I DON'T KNOW WHY. MAYBE BECAUSE THINGS LIKE LENS LINEUP, ERGONOMICS, UI, AND SKIN TONE REPRODUCTION MATTER NOTHING IN THE REAL WORLD BUT MEGAPIXELS DO." Yeah.... Listen to yourselves.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

So is them realizing they need better DR at low ISO and such and racing to catch up and the 7D2, 70D, 700D,5D4,2D,1DX2, etc. will all have the great new sensor?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Should hit shelves about 2015. The one thing I hate about Canon is that they make an announcement and then it is months before the product is available. Getting tired of that. Why don't you wait until you are only a week or two away from release before making the announcement?

They used to do that and the bitching was perhaps even worse, so they can't win either way. Before everyone was P.O. they were given no hints about the future and now everyone is P.O. that they are and that the future is always longer off than expected.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Flexible video crop (full-frame to 1:1 crop in all modes) for all these cameras.
5DIII firmware update to include flexible video cropping.
...
Big time bonus - native DNG format, including the option to use the new lossy DNG raw format (huge, huge advantage over MRAW/SRAW). Include this in the above-mentioned 5DIII firmware update.

Yeah...I'd definitely crack open the checkbook for that.

I do not. All you videots ... stop your whining over bloody video features in bloody stills cameras, especially in DSLRS. Get it into your head, that a DSRL is the single worst possible videocam .. by its very nature. Now go away. Leave us in peace. Do yourself a favour and buy a decent camcorder from Canon or from Sony ... loaded with all the video crap on earth. Zebra stripes, all sorts of video output options, audio levels, 99 microphones, and anything more. Today these camcorders even come cheaper than a 5D III ... 3000 USD for a Sony VEX Full Frame HD camcorder ... just buy it and vanish from the stills photography sections of forums.

Sure...show me a nice video camera with interchangeable lenses and an APS-c sized sensor, that occupies zero space so that I don't have to carry it along side my dSLR.

+1

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

There will be no miracle, however, the laws of physics still apply, and sensors are getting to be about as good as they can be, so its just small increments of improvement.

Canon has plenty of room for miracles at low ISO. I agree about high ISO though, they are now getting so close to the limits that for SNR they can't get much better, I guess they still could improve high ISO DR more but that might be expensive and tricky.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

That's a long wait for a new camera, none of which will touch the Nikon D600 available now.

I am a Canon fanboi, with 5DII and L lenses to prove it. But I just ordered a Samsung EX2F instead of G15, and I am seriously looking at the D600.

I wish Canon would go all out and give everything they can in a 5D size body. But it isn't going to happen in this round. I doubt I can wait another 3 - 4 years.

dude, the D600 is getting rheamed by its own Nikon fan boys... it doesn't even allow manual settings in video. Nikon confirmed that to Philip Bloom in an interview at Photokina Friday. A Canon Rebel is better for video than the D600. Spec sheets aren't worth the paper they're printed on...they leave out the "S___ we can't do" section every time...

That's a shame. They could've pushed Canon to wake up more quickly.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Do you think the new sensor will have a better DR at lower ISO than the 5D3 and 1DX? I wish it would but knowing Canon's strategy, it will not happen. It will just be the same thing all over again... :-\

It better not otherwise it might sadly start to be time to think you have to go Nikon, no matter what else you don't like about that, if DR at low ISO matters.