EOS 7D Replacement Coming for CP+? [CR1]

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<p>The CP+ trade show runs in Tokyo, Japan from February 13, 2014 until February 16, 2014. Canon has announced products for this show in the past.</p>
<p>There’s word that Canon will announce the replacement to the EOS 7D for this show as well as “other products”. We’re told a couple of lenses and PowerShot cameras should also be expected.</p>
<p>More to come….</p>
<p>Source: [<a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_rumours.html" target="_blank">NL</a>]</p>
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stilscream said:
30MP, 8fps with 240fps @1080 video built in wifi, same rugged build, dual card slots, better af and IQ. That would sell me.

Look at your current equipment list, and be happy with what you have...
Second, always expect the worse so that when something better does show up... You're pleasantly surprised, instead of being underwhelmed and pissed off at the "lack of innovation" by Canon.

I think it will be exactly like the 70D, plus
-more fps
-better ISO
-pro-body
 
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mkabi said:
stilscream said:
30MP, 8fps with 240fps @1080 video built in wifi, same rugged build, dual card slots, better af and IQ. That would sell me.

Look at your current equipment list, and be happy with what you have...
Second, always expect the worse so that when something better does show up... You're pleasantly surprised, instead of being underwhelmed and pissed off at the "lack of innovation" by Canon.

I think it will be exactly like the 70D, plus
-more fps
-better ISO
-pro-body

All the rumors are saying, "new sensor" I am hoping 24mp and good at iso 6400.
 
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candc said:
mkabi said:
stilscream said:
30MP, 8fps with 240fps @1080 video built in wifi, same rugged build, dual card slots, better af and IQ. That would sell me.

Look at your current equipment list, and be happy with what you have...
Second, always expect the worse so that when something better does show up... You're pleasantly surprised, instead of being underwhelmed and pissed off at the "lack of innovation" by Canon.

I think it will be exactly like the 70D, plus
-more fps
-better ISO
-pro-body

All the rumors are saying, "new sensor" I am hoping 24mp and good at iso 6400.

LoL
You want a somehow better camera than the 1Dx… for 2500$. That'd be too easy.
 
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RomainF said:
candc said:
mkabi said:
stilscream said:
30MP, 8fps with 240fps @1080 video built in wifi, same rugged build, dual card slots, better af and IQ. That would sell me.

Look at your current equipment list, and be happy with what you have...
Second, always expect the worse so that when something better does show up... You're pleasantly surprised, instead of being underwhelmed and pissed off at the "lack of innovation" by Canon.

I think it will be exactly like the 70D, plus
-more fps
-better ISO
-pro-body

All the rumors are saying, "new sensor" I am hoping 24mp and good at iso 6400.

LoL
You want a somehow better camera than the 1Dx… for 2500$. That'd be too easy.
And gold plated with a lizard-skin grip.....
 
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RomainF said:
candc said:
mkabi said:
stilscream said:
30MP, 8fps with 240fps @1080 video built in wifi, same rugged build, dual card slots, better af and IQ. That would sell me.

Look at your current equipment list, and be happy with what you have...
Second, always expect the worse so that when something better does show up... You're pleasantly surprised, instead of being underwhelmed and pissed off at the "lack of innovation" by Canon.

I think it will be exactly like the 70D, plus
-more fps
-better ISO
-pro-body

All the rumors are saying, "new sensor" I am hoping 24mp and good at iso 6400.

LoL
You want a somehow better camera than the 1Dx… for 2500$. That'd be too easy.

I suppose the extra mp isn't necessary but the 70d is good at iso 1600, marginal at 3200. So its reasonable to think that this new one will be good at 6400, that's progress and that's what I am looking for.
 
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candc said:
mkabi said:
stilscream said:
30MP, 8fps with 240fps @1080 video built in wifi, same rugged build, dual card slots, better af and IQ. That would sell me.

Look at your current equipment list, and be happy with what you have...
Second, always expect the worse so that when something better does show up... You're pleasantly surprised, instead of being underwhelmed and pissed off at the "lack of innovation" by Canon.

I think it will be exactly like the 70D, plus
-more fps
-better ISO
-pro-body

All the rumors are saying, "new sensor" I am hoping 24mp and good at iso 6400.

70D sensor is a "new sensor"
They never said that it would be different from the 70D sensor,
And guess what...its never been in the 7D before :D
Again, dont expect too much and if they give us 24MP sensor... Cool...
 
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If they put dual pixels in it, they could do one line iso 100, the other iso 1600 and have incredible DR. Without losing resolution etc. It would be copying Magic Lantern but no one would complain :-).
I just hope it to be worth the (quite long...) wait. And if too expensive, i'll get a 5d3 first and some years later a 7d2.
In for a new ine and waiting for 2 years now...
 
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Thoughts on the 7D Mark II (or whatever they call it): It appears Canon is putting a lot of effort into dual pixel technology and we’ve heard there is more to come in terms of capabilities with this sensor structure. If we want to make DSLRs better, as far as I’m concerned, one of the last remaining flaws in these cameras is autofocus for stills. Especially with lenses at f2 or wider, focus can often be off. Focus micro-adjust can mostly fix this on cameras that have this ability. I’ve shot with my f1.4 lenses wide-open occasionally and my “hit rate” for proper focus, even though the camera says I was in-focus, is not all that great. This is after I’ve micro-adjusted the lenses to the camera. Auto-focus sensors optimized for f2.8 are just not that accurate with faster lenses.
Let me proposed a way to fix this. We know a camera that knows which of its autofocus points is in-focus, can matched it to a spot on the image sensor. We can also estimate that an exposure sensor, with enough pixels, could keep track of where this point is, even if you recompose before taking the shot. Starting with this, after the shutter bottom in pushed, in single-shot mode the camera would swing the mirror up, then fire the shutter let’s say at the flash-synch speed (~1/200 sec) where the entire sensor is exposed. At this point the dual pixel sensor could fine-tune the focus at the point it knows is the intended focus point. The shutter could then close and reopen again to make the image. Another way to do this is to open the mechanical shutter and fine-tune focus, and then allow an electronic shutter to take the final image, before closing the mechanical shutter. This technique could probably be used at a low-rate continuous shooting mode (eg. 3-5 fps, as I assume the max. 10-12 fps is set more by the mirror mechanism than the mechanical shutter). This technique could only be used with decent ambient light and would not work below a certain illumination. But perhaps flash could be made to work with this technique. With enough light, this technique could allow lenses with teleconverters that produce an effective F-stop higher than f5.6 or f8 to be autofocused. I assume this would be a selectable feature on the camera and not necessarily the default. Just some thoughts on how dual pixel could make DSLRs better.
 
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Gert Arijs said:
If they put dual pixels in it, they could do one line iso 100, the other iso 1600 and have incredible DR. Without losing resolution etc. It would be copying Magic Lantern but no one would complain :-).
I just hope it to be worth the (quite long...) wait. And if too expensive, i'll get a 5d3 first and some years later a 7d2.
In for a new ine and waiting for 2 years now...
Why do you believe it would be copying Magic Lantern? Canon reveived a patent that allows for it and applied for the patent some years ago. Its the other way around, except that the Canon patent will work and not just halfway.
 
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bradcast46 said:
Thoughts on the 7D Mark II (or whatever they call it): It appears Canon is putting a lot of effort into dual pixel technology and we’ve heard there is more to come in terms of capabilities with this sensor structure. If we want to make DSLRs better, as far as I’m concerned, one of the last remaining flaws in these cameras is autofocus for stills. Especially with lenses at f2 or wider, focus can often be off. Focus micro-adjust can mostly fix this on cameras that have this ability. I’ve shot with my f1.4 lenses wide-open occasionally and my “hit rate” for proper focus, even though the camera says I was in-focus, is not all that great. This is after I’ve micro-adjusted the lenses to the camera. Auto-focus sensors optimized for f2.8 are just not that accurate with faster lenses.
Let me proposed a way to fix this. We know a camera that knows which of its autofocus points is in-focus, can matched it to a spot on the image sensor. We can also estimate that an exposure sensor, with enough pixels, could keep track of where this point is, even if you recompose before taking the shot. Starting with this, after the shutter bottom in pushed, in single-shot mode the camera would swing the mirror up, then fire the shutter let’s say at the flash-synch speed (~1/200 sec) where the entire sensor is exposed. At this point the dual pixel sensor could fine-tune the focus at the point it knows is the intended focus point. The shutter could then close and reopen again to make the image. Another way to do this is to open the mechanical shutter and fine-tune focus, and then allow an electronic shutter to take the final image, before closing the mechanical shutter. This technique could probably be used at a low-rate continuous shooting mode (eg. 3-5 fps, as I assume the max. 10-12 fps is set more by the mirror mechanism than the mechanical shutter). This technique could only be used with decent ambient light and would not work below a certain illumination. But perhaps flash could be made to work with this technique. With enough light, this technique could allow lenses with teleconverters that produce an effective F-stop higher than f5.6 or f8 to be autofocused. I assume this would be a selectable feature on the camera and not necessarily the default. Just some thoughts on how dual pixel could make DSLRs better.

I invite you to have a look to the Hasselblad "True Focus" system.
 
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I'm very excited for this camera! I think that 24mp and 10-12fps with a 61pt AF system isn't unreasonable given that it matches the specs for the prototypes that were previously mentioned. It's possible that the 70D's sensor could be used, but we've already had one rebuttal rumour that indicated the 7D II (or whatever it get's called--for the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to it as 7D II for the rest of this post) will have a brand new sensor and will not share the 70D's. That makes sense. I expect the 70D's sensor will find its way into the 2014 Rebel lineup, and I think Canon will want to differentiate the 7D II from the rest of the APC lineup, especially given the much, much higher price. Will it be worth it, when one can buy a full-frame 6D for much less? Absolutely! I've said it before, but it bears repeating, different camera's fit different types of photographer and photography. If I was shooting a wedding or other low-light event, I'd prefer a 6D or 5D II full-frame camera to any APS-C camera. But I'm not, and neither of those cameras would be stellar performers for the wildlife and action based photography that is my passion. Granted, a 5D III, with its superb AF system and decent (6fps) burst-rate still makes a good choice for either type of photography (unlike the 6D and 5D II), but still a 7D II with 10-12 fps and the cropped frames tighter framing with a given lens makes a very compelling camera for wildlife and sports photography.
I often read here the opinion that the 7D II won't be special because it would be too close to the 1DX, but I don't concur with that assessment at all. No matter how good the chip is, the APS-C isn't going to match the low-light capability of the 1DX and pros are still going to prefer it (and whatever replaces it), although I will not be surprised if many of them don't grab a 7D II as a second body! In the end though, they are competing in different market-places. What's more, Canon isn't bringing this camera out in a vacuum--they need to make sure this camera is good enough to lead APS-C technology for the net 3-5 years, so it has to be more that merely "good." Like the original 7D, it must be ground-breaking and class-leading if it's going to compete in the $2,000 + price range. It should also be remembered that when the original 7D arrived in 2009, the top of the line action camera in the Canon lineup was the 1D III, with 10MP and 10fps. Canon didn't worry that the 7D matched it with 19 cross-type AF points (although the 1D III has 45 AF points, only 19 of them are user-selectable and cross-type). If they didn't worry about making the 7D too close to the current 1D III in 2009, I doubt they'll worry about the 7D II being too close to the 1DX in 2014! This is especially true given the level of competition the new camera faces compared to what the 7D did 5 years ago. Why will the 7D II be awesome? Because it simply HAS to be! Of course, there will still be nay-sayers, even if it has the specs I expect it will have. I've seen posts where someone wrote "yawn" at these very specs, even as I was salivating over them! And I've read repeatedly that many just don't "get it" when one can buy a full-frame camera for less, or because it will be big and "pro", rather than small and mirrorless. I think they miss the essential point--those of us who want this camera, know what we want, and why we want it. If it doesn't fit your style of photography, then of course you ought not to buy one--purchase the camera that fits your shooting style and subjects. Photography would be far less interesting if there was just one style of camera and one kind of photography. Myself--I can't wait for this camera!
On a side note, I'm more interested in specs and capabilities than I am in the name, but I DO think 7D Mark II has a GREAT ring to it!!! ;D
 
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