Eos7D mk2, How EXCITED will you be if . . .?

[ahsanford]

I'd thought we'd start the week looking forward to something. What features / performance levels would get you excited about the 7D2?

I want a positive statement from you about what would legitimately fire you up to own a 7D2. No snarky "APS-C is not for me so I'll say 'A 50 MP FF sensor', ha ha" stuff. Seriously, what would get you excited when the 7D2 announcement comes?

- A

Disclaimer: I'm not trying poke fun at Ivan's original thread so much as build some excitement around a release. Mondays need positive thoughts because they are, in fact, Mondays.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

It would be very difficult to interest me. Any new features or sensor technology will also appear in a FF body, and it will be much better IQ wise.

Maybe is it were priced under $1000?

 

[mackguyver]

I would only be excited if it can top the DxOMark sensor rankings

 

[ahsanford]

It would be very difficult to interest me. Any new features or sensor technology will also appear in a FF body, and it will be much better IQ wise.

Maybe is it were priced under $1000?

I think the value proposition certainly changes for current FF users.

What would get me excited was if I could get the same IQ & noise performance as I do with my 5D3, only at the 1.6x length that crop brings. But this entire forum would rise up and throttle me because (a) that's not going to happen for technical reasons and (b) if Canon somehow could do that, they never would as it would eat into FF and supertele sales.

So I'll say this, I'd like a second body, and it could be a crop body if it was 90% as good as my 5D3 for IQ & noise. I would get excited about that. I'd use my 70-200 F/2.8 IS II on it and net great shots at distance without the drawbacks of a T/C or having to buy bigger/heavier/pricier lenses.

- A

 

[Loswr]

I'll get excited if the 7DII has substantially better IQ... AND that sensor gets used in the next EOS M!

 

[Zv]

I'll be excited just to see this mythical beast announced! I have no interest (or money) to buy the thing but very very curious to see what direction Canon is headed in with their APS-C line and this is the big pappa of them all, supposedly!

Maybe once they stick DPAF in the 7D2 and later on a rebel or two we might, just might, perhaps see that tech in an EOS M3. So hurry up 7D2!

 

[Sporgon]

If it was everything we expect, but had a 16mp sensor with superior low light ( high iso ) performance, best possible 'IQ' from a crop sensor, in a small, tough, pro grade body, with NO pop up flash, and priced just below the (original) price of the 6D, then yes, I'd be excited !

 

[Don Haines]

There are several things that would get me excited...

It's time 4K video showed up on Canon DSLRs.....

A decent great AF system that had the ability to recognize and track items.....

The ability to automatically AFMA lenses at a decent range of distances and focal lengths.....

A really high quality EVF or a hybrid EVF/OVF.....

Massively parallel A/D on sensor and the speed/noise benefits that it would bring.....

Some tricks with setting the two sides of DPAF to different gains and thereby increasing DR to 16 stops or better.....

 

[LJ3Jim]

Focusing that is as good as the 5D3 (or better) would be great. I'd probably order for that alone. 1-stop better low-light handling would be the icing on the cake. And I'd get really excited if they announced a 100-400 F/4L (not F/3.5 - 5.6) at the same time!

 

[AvTvM]

I will preorder the 7d ii if it has
* af like 5d 3
* iq better than nikon d7100 at low and hi isos
* eye control af v2.0
* working wifi implementation + fully featured wireless tethering app for ios and android
* canon RT radio flash commander built-in
* price like 7d at launch ... € 1649 MSRP

If it comes with the same performance and features but in a compact mirrorless version with top notch evf and ef-m mount ... I'd be willing to pay up to € 2.500

 

[henrywang]

4k video pls ^_^
it's a longshot

 

[NancyP]

16 to 24 MP, but FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST (10 fps) and with 1 stop improvement in low light ability (I judge that the 6D has a 2 stop advantage over the 60D of the same sensor vintage). Small pro-grade weather-sealed body, under 900 grams. Giant buffer, 30 RAW at 10 fps. 1DX/5D3 focusing system, fewer points, perhaps, but similar algorithms. AF at f/8. Costs the same or less than the 6D.

 

[ahsanford]

16 to 24 MP, but FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST (10 fps) and with 1 stop improvement in low light ability (I judge that the 6D has a 2 stop advantage over the 60D of the same sensor vintage). Small pro-grade weather-sealed body, under 900 grams. Giant buffer, 30 RAW at 10 fps. 1DX/5D3 focusing system, fewer points, perhaps, but similar algorithms. AF at f/8. Costs the same or less than the 6D.

I've seen some cost comments from folks. I know that this is a thread about positivity, but sub $2k, sub 6D pricing may be a tough get depending on how 'pro' this body is designed.

As I've said many times in this forum, for some people, the reach of APS-C is vital to what they do (BIF people come to mind). To those folks, crop is a really high-quality 1.6x T/C without the T/C headaches of AF responsiveness or significantly lessened IQ. To those folks, the length upside lets them not have to buy a $10k+ lens to get their shots or for those who do have that money, it lets those great lenses reach even further. To those folks, Canon could eeeeeeasily get above $2k for this new body.

I don't want to be a pessimist, but I kind of want this thing to be so good it's worth over $2k. I'll say it: if it's a $1,599 camera, it probably won't be so compelling performance wise for me.

- A

 

[mb66energy]

(1) IQ which is far beyond that of a 40D or 600D
(good colors, soft transitions / good contrast to show textures correctly)
(2) control button layout which is close to e.g. the 40D (mustn't be the same) which gives
fast access to functions. A ring arount the lens mount to set the aperture would be great.
and a "shoulder" display like 40D and 7D
(2a) well implemented video with very good quality and operability (in terms of hardware
controls)
(3) a hybrid view finder which makes video in bright light a joy and helps to validate critical
exposure settings in bright light
(4) reliable, reliable, reliable and fast AF with a wider field of AF sensors compared to the
ancient 9 point AF of my cameras


(1), (2) and (2a) are a MUST, (3) would be a great option and (4) would be very helpful.

At the moment I rely on the great operability of the 40D and the video quality / features(with Magic Lantern) of the 600D but my dream is to have ...

2 identical bodies which are well designed for photography and video

Just my 2 ct. - Michael

 

[eos650]

The 7D Mark II will have to be something really special for me to get excited about it. Had it come out a year ago, with some of the rumored features, I would most certainly have one by now. I may be a bit envious of some of the new features VS. my 7D Mark I, but not enough to splash the cash. At least, not any time soon.

I have since shifted up stream with a 1DX, 5D3 and still have my 7D Mark I and have added some better glass. There are many good light situations where the additional reach comes in handy and I pull out the 7D Mark I, however as soon as the light starts to go, the 7D goes in the bag.

I expect the 7D Mark II will have several desirable improvements, but I don't believe it will even begin to come close to the full frame bodies, in low light, which has been my biggest nemesis.

Of course if I was made of money, I would have them all

 

[Sporgon]

16 to 24 MP, but FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST (10 fps) and with 1 stop improvement in low light ability (I judge that the 6D has a 2 stop advantage over the 60D of the same sensor vintage). Small pro-grade weather-sealed body, under 900 grams. Giant buffer, 30 RAW at 10 fps. 1DX/5D3 focusing system, fewer points, perhaps, but similar algorithms. AF at f/8. Costs the same or less than the 6D.

I've seen some cost comments from folks. I know that this is a thread about positivity, but sub $2k, sub 6D pricing may be a tough get depending on how 'pro' this body is designed.

As I've said many times in this forum, for some people, the reach of APS-C is vital to what they do (BIF people come to mind). To those folks, crop is a really high-quality 1.6x T/C without the T/C headaches of AF responsiveness or significantly lessened IQ. To those folks, the length upside lets them not have to buy a $10k+ lens to get their shots or for those who do have that money, it lets those great lenses reach even further. To those folks, Canon could eeeeeeasily get above $2k for this new body.

I don't want to be a pessimist, but I kind of want this thing to be so good it's worth over $2k. I'll say it: if it's a $1,599 camera, it probably won't be so compelling performance wise for me.

- A

I think if the new 7DII was anything like approaching the price of the 5DIII it would lose it's whole raison d'etre. When sitting in a range with FF cameras - especially fast ones like the 5DIII - crop has to be cheaper, otherwise it loses it's ace card. I suppose it could be marketed a little more expensive than the 6D without upsetting the range, as the two will be completely different cameras. Personally I still think it will (eventually) sit just under the 6D price.

 

[lol]

There's one killer feature for me: updated AF/metering system. 1D X equivalent or better (no, the 5D3 doesn't cut it). Everything else is distantly secondary.

 

[Don Haines]

16 to 24 MP, but FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST (10 fps) and with 1 stop improvement in low light ability (I judge that the 6D has a 2 stop advantage over the 60D of the same sensor vintage). Small pro-grade weather-sealed body, under 900 grams. Giant buffer, 30 RAW at 10 fps. 1DX/5D3 focusing system, fewer points, perhaps, but similar algorithms. AF at f/8. Costs the same or less than the 6D.

I've seen some cost comments from folks. I know that this is a thread about positivity, but sub $2k, sub 6D pricing may be a tough get depending on how 'pro' this body is designed.

As I've said many times in this forum, for some people, the reach of APS-C is vital to what they do (BIF people come to mind). To those folks, crop is a really high-quality 1.6x T/C without the T/C headaches of AF responsiveness or significantly lessened IQ. To those folks, the length upside lets them not have to buy a $10k+ lens to get their shots or for those who do have that money, it lets those great lenses reach even further. To those folks, Canon could eeeeeeasily get above $2k for this new body.

I don't want to be a pessimist, but I kind of want this thing to be so good it's worth over $2k. I'll say it: if it's a $1,599 camera, it probably won't be so compelling performance wise for me.

- A

I agree.

If the camera is not much better than a 70D, then it isn't worth getting one.... but if it is way better, then it would be worth the higher price tag. My hope is that it "comes fully loaded" and if it does, I expect $2300 or so for it.....

 

[Loswr]

Personally I still think it will (eventually) sit just under the 6D price.

I think at launch it'll be priced under the 6D, likely $1599. That's true even if it's 'fully loaded'. Only way it could top $2K would be as a mini-1D X, integrated grip, etc., and that's just not going to happen. My 2¢.

 

[ahsanford]

I think if the new 7DII was anything like approaching the price of the 5DIII it would lose it's whole raison d'etre. When sitting in a range with FF cameras - especially fast ones like the 5DIII - crop has to be cheaper, otherwise it loses it's ace card. I suppose it could be marketed a little more expensive than the 6D without upsetting the range, as the two will be completely different cameras. Personally I still think it will (eventually) sit just under the 6D price.

I'm not saying that price will be there that long. I could see (if loaded feature-wise) the 7D2 starting at $2299 for early adopters and then dropping sub-$2k quickly thereafter.

Regarding the notion '6D will never cost less than a 7D2', consider:

• Serious 7D shooters are not necessarily amateurs on tight budgets. I still contend that serious crop-shooters (lovingly clinging to their original 7D bodies) have invested far far far far far more dollars in glass and other gear than 6D shooters, so outpricing the 6D (even considerably) is not unreasonable.
  
• The 6D is a nice rig but it's an entry-level FF rig that lacks a lot of bells and whistles. The 7D2 likely will not. It's a pro crop body. If that sentence seems a contradiction to some folks, they may not understand the notion that crop is a strength and not a weakness to some shooters. These folks pay great money for reach.
  
  
• The 6D continues to steadily drop in price. It could be down around $1600-1700 by the time the 7D2 is announced.
  

I'm not throwing the gauntlet down and saying the 7D2 must cost a fortune, but if it's the camera some folks want -- the birding camera that lets you just bring the 400 prime instead of a 1Dx and a 600 prime, 10 FPS with 2 stops better low light performance, etc. -- you could imagine it commanding a high price.

But they may just offer a 7D2 that's an original 7D with better AF and one stop better in low light. That camera will be cheaper than a 6D for sure.

- A