Expect more delays from Canon for both cameras and lenses

[justaCanonuser]

The options you have are the RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L IS USM or the RF 200-800mm f/6.3-9 IS USM.

Ah I missed that reply when I replied with the same recommendation. Well, I leave my reply as it is, since I added a some lens review recommendations.

 

[koenkooi]

Meh, it looks like the “r3 sensor” camera is the c400. Although it lacks an EVF, it’s not an M6II successor

 

[Quack]

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Why doesn't Canon produce competitive offerings? I don't mind shooting two systems to get the lenses I want, but most photographers can't or don't care to deal with the disadvantages (building muscle memory is extremely hard). Therefore, the longer Canon goes without offering alternatives, a small number will switch, but more importantly, newer photographers shooting wildlife are more likely to opt for Nikon.

Of course Canon is in no danger of collapsing and may not lose much if any market share. But the potential for growth is increasingly small.

First of all, who is to say that Canon will not offer more primes similar to what Nikon offers? The RF system is not old enough to have filled out the lens lineup, certainly you realize that. An article on Lensrentals a few years back mentioned that to produce a new lens takes a minimum of 4 years. My guess is that a lightweight prime in the neighborhood of 600mm or more will take even longer. So they may still come. Or maybe not, as there is no reason each camera maker will decide on exactly the same lens lineup. Canon, of course, is making lenses that neither Nikon or Sony is making, but people rarely if even mention that. There will always be products, or specs that one brand has that another doesn't. People can whine and complain, or accept reality.

 

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Do we have any reliable idea whether R1 will have GPS-location, like the 5D4 does, (and the R5 doesn't?) And factory-installed audio memos?

 

[Sleepy Joe]

Do we have any reliable idea whether R1 will have GPS-location, like the 5D4 does, (and the R5 doesn't?) And factory-installed audio memos?

We no specs whatsoever on the R1. Everything you see and read here is all fake new and or conjecture.

And at best our conjecture is worthless.

I'm only here to point out that fact because way to many people here think CR has some kind of inside information and they don't.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I'm only here to point out that fact because way to many people here think CR has some kind of inside information and they don't.

Still at it? Why do you waste your time in this worthless (your word) place? I trust you’ve also registered new accounts at nikonrumors and sonyalpharumors to tell all of those folks the same thing, as well as adding comments to the dozens of YouTube channels that post these rumors.

Don Quixote rides again, rumormills beware!

 

[Jethro]

We no specs whatsoever on the R1. Everything you see and read here is all fake new and or conjecture.

And at best our conjecture is worthless.

I'm only here to point out that fact because way to many people here think CR has some kind of inside information and they don't.

If it's all so worthless why do you continue to lurk here? On this RUMORS site. Why did you take the 'effort' to formally join and post yesterday? To bring us the Truth that it's all 'fake new' (sic)?

 

[mpmark]

I don't know why you would, when you can save a nice chunk of money buying a used one in great condition, as I did. It was a second body for me. Just save as much as you can; these cameras don't fail that often so warranty isn't much of a concern. Why would you buy a new one when the next gen is right around the corner? Except, that corner keeps getting further and further away... lol.

I'm not being negative, I'm actually quite pleased because I am a habitual waiter when it comes to tech and I decided to stop waiting. I don't upgrade devices every year, or even every other year, but I either want the latest and greatest which is often right around the corner, or I want to save on the current gen so I want the next gen to come out to cause price drops on the current (soon to be last) gen. And boy, when the R5II drops, used ones are gonna be under 2 grand, an absolute steal for anyone looking for an extremely capable FF body with a high quality lens ecosystem (which is where your money's gonna go anyway). For me, I'm just happy that I can run a dual-body setup for my trips this year, and don't need to keep holding my breath.

The first one I bought for full pop back in 2020, the second I bought last year for a deal almost as good as used, so why not buy new. Anyway, both are fantastic and do everything I need and more.

I do a lot of wildlife and paired with the RF 600/4 it's an absolute dream combo

 

[Sleepy Joe]

Still at it? Why do you waste your time in this worthless (your word) place? I trust you’ve also registered new accounts at nikonrumors and sonyalpharumors to tell all of those folks the same thing, as well as adding comments to the dozens of YouTube channels that post these rumors.

Don Quixote rides again, rumormills beware!

Since when did I need a license to speak the truth and why you keep insisting on spreading lies?

No different than what Daniel Browning did with educating you and others till he got tired of waiting for Canon to fix their flaws and ditched them.

 

[justaCanonuser]

Since when did I need a license to speak the truth and why you keep insisting on spreading lies?

No different than what Daniel Browning did with educating you and others till he got tired of waiting for Canon to fix their flaws and ditched them.

Hey Joe, I really recommend to relax. Such a Rumors site isn't worth that trouble, it's about having fun and expressing Canon focused tech dreams (or nightmares ). Have a nice day and always good light!

 

[Sleepy Joe]

Hey Joe, I really recommend to relax. Such a Rumors site isn't worth that trouble, it's about having fun and expressing Canon focused tech dreams (or nightmares ). Have a nice day and always good light!

As I said, I don't need a license or approval to speak the truth. The fact someone wants to ridicule that is extremely telling of their character.

 

[Sleepy Joe]

If it's all so worthless why do you continue to lurk here? On this RUMORS site. Why did you take the 'effort' to formally join and post yesterday? To bring us the Truth that it's all 'fake new' (sic)?

These are all baseless lies made up from thin air. Which are presented as leaked information based on inside information and sources.

Not rumors as they try and portray.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Since when did I need a license to speak the truth and why you keep insisting on spreading lies?

No license is required to speak the truth. Nor is a license is required to make yourself look like an ass.

What lies am I spreading? As a scientist, I deal in facts and data. Some people here believe their opinions are facts or have difficulty grasping the difference between data and anecdotes. I have no compunctions about calling them out on those failings. But if I am incorrect about something, I acknowledge it when it’s pointed out (and admit it if I’m the one to discover it).

So, tell me what lies I’m spreading. Or STFU.

 

[neuroanatomist]

These are all baseless lies made up from thin air. Which are presented as leaked information based on inside information and sources.

Not rumors as they try and portray.

And you’re certain of this because? What inside information on the inner workings of Canon Rumors do you have, and what is your source for that?

That’s rhetorical, by the way. We both know that’s just your opinion. Clearly you’re one of those who believes your opinions are facts. Just like lots of people who wear red (or tinfoil) hats.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Do we have any reliable idea whether R1 will have GPS-location, like the 5D4 does, (and the R5 doesn't?) And factory-installed audio memos?

We have no actual data, but it's reasonable to infer that since both the 1D X III and R3 have built-in GPS the R1 will have it, as well. As for factory installed voice memos (which the R5 does have), that will be on the R1 based on available information (though red hat-wearing conspiracy theorists might try to convince you that the presence of the voice memo button on the R1 is just fake news).

 

[Billybob]

One could also ask why Nikon doesn’t produce competitive offerings in the affordable fringe focal lengths. Canon has the RF 15-30, RF 100-400, 600/11 and 800/11. I suspect those lenses don’t really interest you, which is why you’re not frustrated by Nikons’s lack of competitiveness in that space.

Yep, you're right. The fixed aperture, f/11 lenses don't interest me (however, as you see from my profile pic, I did try the 800mm f/11). I can only speak for myself. I have the RF 14-35 and Nikon's inferior Z 14-30. The 14-35 is with me currently; the Z lens almost never gets touched. I don't know if Canon makes up in volume selling these low-margin lenses versus what Nikon makes selling far fewer exotic lenses. I do know that the "halo" products that Nikon--and Sony--have been producing recently (think Nikon's pf lenses and Sony's A9iii global shutter) give those brands a lot more buzz. Whether any of these approaches produce more sales/ market share etc., I'll leave to the professional prognosticators.

All I wish is that the company that produces the bodies I prefer, Canon, would produce lenses in the market segments that interests me. Yes, I am self centered.

 

[Billybob]

Well, Canon added some really exotic prime tele lenses to their RF line quite early, the 600mm and 800mm f/11 lenses. But I really envy Nikon Z users for the light Nikkor Z 600mm f/6.3 VR S option, this was a smart move by Nikon. Currently I still am fit enough to carry up to 15 kg gear on my back when I go out for birding, but when I get older I might be really happy to have such a lighter tele prime available (plus, the low light performance of cameras still improves substantially). So this would force me to add a Nikon camera to my gear, too, about what I wouldn't be happy - not only because of the different ergonomics. My wife shoots with Nikon, and I do not want all those quality issues and repairs she had gone through in the past 10-15 years. We really shoot in rugged environments, and e.g. already a few drops of rain can kill buttons of a Nikon (prosumer level) camera. We had that problem several times, plus other issues. Never had any of those with my Canon gear, my EF 500mm lens now is about 30 years old and still works reliably.

The z600mm is really tempting to me. Yes, I have other Nikon exotics, but the light weight and excellent IQ makes it very difficult to skip. Perhaps I'll pick one up when I finally retire from my day job...

 

[Billybob]

First of all, who is to say that Canon will not offer more primes similar to what Nikon offers? The RF system is not old enough to have filled out the lens lineup, certainly you realize that. An article on Lensrentals a few years back mentioned that to produce a new lens takes a minimum of 4 years. My guess is that a lightweight prime in the neighborhood of 600mm or more will take even longer. So they may still come. Or maybe not, as there is no reason each camera maker will decide on exactly the same lens lineup. Canon, of course, is making lenses that neither Nikon or Sony is making, but people rarely if even mention that. There will always be products, or specs that one brand has that another doesn't. People can whine and complain, or accept reality.

I've accepted reality, which is why I shoot both Canon and Nikon. As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I prefer Canon's lens offerings in other market segments, e.g., I prefer my RF 14-35, 70-200 (it rarely wins in IQ comparisons, but the compact size is perfect for my uses), and 100-500 to anything the other guys produce. These lenses are all excellent--and the 14-35 beats the Nikon on IQ as well--and serve me far better than the bulkier and less capable Nikon lenses.

 

[Sleepy Joe]

Saysbt

No license is required to speak the truth. Nor is a license is required to make yourself look like an ass.

What lies am I spreading? As a scientist, I deal in facts and data. Some people here believe their opinions are facts or have difficulty grasping the difference between data and anecdotes. I have no compunctions about calling them out on those failings. But if I am incorrect about something, I acknowledge it when it’s pointed out (and admit it if I’m the one to discover it).

So, tell me what lies I’m spreading. Or STFU.

Says the person throwing insults at the person speaking the truth.....

Anyone making character attacks and insulting someone has lost the arguement already and does not have the moral high ground to criticize me or anyone on this matter.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Saysbt

Says the person throwing insults at the person speaking the truth.....

Anyone making character attacks and insulting someone has lost the arguement already and does not have the moral high ground to criticize me or anyone on this matter.

Typical. Don’t bother trying to address the question, because you can’t. Nor can you back up your assertion that your ‘truth’ (social?) is anything other than your opinion.

Rational people consider the credibility of someone making an accusation. Since yours is hovering at zero, your accusations are meaningless.

Stay comfortably in your little bubble where you are secure in the belief that you’re right.