Features seen in the past and absent today

Jim Saunders said:
Eye-tracking AF. You can't tell me all the pieces aren't there waiting to be integrated.

Jim
+1....I'm currently own a7r. It has eye-focus feature. Very POWERFUL tool to shoot portrait with large aperture lenses at wide open. Couldn't miss a single shot with Zeiss 55mm at wide open.
 
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Sporgon said:
rs said:
Sporgon said:
nicku said:
I wonder why canon packed older cameras with some very useful features that are totally absent in modern cameras. Here I refer to the Canon EOS 1D released in 2001 vs modern professional canon cameras.

I refer strictly to:

1/16,000 shutter speed
X-sync speed 1/500

I would think its to do with it being APS, smaller, lighter shutter, less distance to travel etc. Not on modern pro APS now due to cost / usage considerations I would think.
The 1D was an APS-H body with an electronic shutter.

Quick bit of research; also used CCD rather than CMOS which allowed the use of an electronic shutter. So as CMOS replaced CDD those features were lost.

D810 has electronic front curtain shutter. I don't know how that differs from the D40 though, since the D810 still has an x-sync speed of 1/250.
 
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Sporgon said:
Quick bit of research; also used CCD rather than CMOS which allowed the use of an electronic shutter. So as CMOS replaced CDD those features were lost.

Yeah, interline transfer CCDs have some nice advantages. With microlensing, they could probably do something similar on CMOS. With that said, they could probably do it a lot better these days by using double-sided silicon with vias and putting that extra buffer storage on the other side of the chip. This would probably require some different mounting hardware to avoid overheating, and possibly even on-chip peltier cooling, but I'm pretty sure it's doable with current chip fabrication technology.
 
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Sporgon said:
rs said:
Sporgon said:
nicku said:
I wonder why canon packed older cameras with some very useful features that are totally absent in modern cameras. Here I refer to the Canon EOS 1D released in 2001 vs modern professional canon cameras.

I refer strictly to:

1/16,000 shutter speed
X-sync speed 1/500

I would think its to do with it being APS, smaller, lighter shutter, less distance to travel etc. Not on modern pro APS now due to cost / usage considerations I would think.
The 1D was an APS-H body with an electronic shutter.

Quick bit of research; also used CCD rather than CMOS which allowed the use of an electronic shutter. So as CMOS replaced CDD those features were lost.

What advantages do CMOS have over CCD (I know cost). but why would a fractional cost be an issue for a $5000+ body?
 
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mackguyver said:
Fully functional Auto-ISO including EV +/- compensation in "M" is awesome on the 1D X and probably one of my favorite and most used features. Canon definitely needs to roll this out to the other models.

Its propably easy, because its only software limits... so they should implement this _completely_.
I am not familiar with the current change of the 1DX (i "only" use a 5D3), but this feature has to be lens-specific.
If I use my 35 IS - and want to take a night snapshot of the street i don't want to use ISO6400 (yes i can!), i want to use up to 1/4sec and my aperture of 5.6 or f/8 - and then the auto iso can increase to ISO800. Thats often enough, because the stabilizer do a wonderful job. But if I use an other lens, this wouldn't be as powerful of course. And if I want to photograph a person, I cant use 1/4 of course - so I need easy to switch 2 modes of every lens - where I can set up the min and max values, I want.
If not, I stay with AV mode, and setup the ISO manually...
 
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I had never had the chance to check out eye tracking AF but those who have used it paint a universally rosy picture. If it's simply a cost issue at the production end, I'd be happy to stretch the Visa card further and tick the box for this intriguing feature.

A feature I'm not sad to see the end of is the small capacity image storage technology that could only hold 10 images. I'm talking about the rolls of 120 film I loaded endlessly into the Mamiya RZ67. Once I watched a doco following Annie Liebovitz shooting a Vanity Fair cover shot on Mamiya RZ67. She had about twenty loaded film backs plus an assistant whose only job it was to keeping loading fresh film. Fast forward to 2014. A 64Gb card in a 5D3 delivers around 1000 RAW files. Annie's assistant is out of a job!

As a minor digression, I recently loaded up a drummed-scanned image (Fujichrome Velvia) shot on the RZ67 which I used to think was the absolute ultimate in quality. Honestly, I was getting better files from my old 5D Classic. Perhaps even my old 20D. We really have come a long way in a stunningly short time.

The good old days? The now mythical Kodak Moment? Yeah right....Show me tomorrow!

-pw
 
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I liked the way I could put my T90 into spot metering mode, take several meter readings from different parts of the scene with a dedicated button, and the camera would then automatically average out all the meter readings to set the exposure.

Maybe this feature exists in current Canon pro-level cameras, but it hasn't been a feature in the prosumer digital bodies I have owned.
 
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Tyroop said:
I liked the way I could put my T90 into spot metering mode, take several meter readings from different parts of the scene with a dedicated button, and the camera would then automatically average out all the meter readings to set the exposure.

Maybe this feature exists in current Canon pro-level cameras, but it hasn't been a feature in the prosumer digital bodies I have owned.

Yes, the 1-series bodies have that feature. It's called multispot metering, you can average up to eight separate spot meter readings.
 
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hush your mouth PWP! i had a 30d, xti, and still use a 5d and 5dmk3. i have shot a good deal of 120-220, 135, and some 4x5 slides, and your statement does not align with me one bit. If one was to even take a quick peek at a slide on a light table or even just held up to a light source i can't see how you would be so willing to throw film under the bus. scans, i have no idea. i don't know nuthin' about no scanning. i'm not even going to speculate. so, do you have a Mamiya that you don't need anymore ;D
now i'm going to say damn right PWP! eye focus! give it to me!! I bet if they came out with it now, most consumers would think that it's the newest thing and would marvel at it. i'd much rather have eye focus on a digital body due to the fact that if it wasn't 100% i would just over shoot to compensate. no big deal as PWP just pointed out, we have memory card space.
no really, so you looking for a caregiver for that mamiya?
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Tyroop said:
I liked the way I could put my T90 into spot metering mode, take several meter readings from different parts of the scene with a dedicated button, and the camera would then automatically average out all the meter readings to set the exposure.

Maybe this feature exists in current Canon pro-level cameras, but it hasn't been a feature in the prosumer digital bodies I have owned.

Yes, the 1-series bodies have that feature. It's called multispot metering, you can average up to eight separate spot meter readings.

They also have a little known and used flash exposure meter.
 
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Yes, the 1-series bodies have that feature. It's called multispot metering, you can average up to eight separate spot meter readings.

Thanks for that, Neuro. I often wondered whether this feature still existed as I used to use it quite a lot in film days. It's a long time ago now, but I think the T90 could also average up to eight meter readings. It was a very advanced camera for its day and handled really well too.
 
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risc32 said:
hush your mouth PWP! i had a 30d, xti, and still use a 5d and 5dmk3. i have shot a good deal of 120-220, 135, and some 4x5 slides, and your statement does not align with me one bit. If one was to even take a quick peek at a slide on a light table or even just held up to a light source i can't see how you would be so willing to throw film under the bus. scans, i have no idea. i don't know nuthin' about no scanning. i'm not even going to speculate. so, do you have a Mamiya that you don't need anymore ;D
now i'm going to say damn right PWP! eye focus! give it to me!! I bet if they came out with it now, most consumers would think that it's the newest thing and would marvel at it. i'd much rather have eye focus on a digital body due to the fact that if it wasn't 100% i would just over shoot to compensate. no big deal as PWP just pointed out, we have memory card space.
no really, so you looking for a caregiver for that mamiya?

Hah! Yes the original transparencies looked brilliant through a lupe on the lightbox, but to be commercially useable means scanning. Drum scanning delivers the highest achievable quality.

The Mamiya RZ67? As an early adopter of digital, I haven't even owned a film body since around 2002 when I got the FF Canon 1Ds, so the Mamiya is now a very distant unsentimental memory. Dropping film made complete sense commercially. In an average year my film and processing bill was around $40,000. With digital, that dropped instantly to zero, yet I was sending out bigger invoices.

-pw
 
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rpt said:
neuroanatomist said:
Stock focusing screens with split prism and microprism collar. I don't know that I'd really need/want one today, but I do sort of miss them. :)
+1

My favourite gripe :)

I would like the option of switching focusing screens. Most photographers, probably wouldn't use them, but some would like to. Giving us the option would make me happy.
 
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