Firmware: Canon releases v1.4.0 for the Canon EOS R5

koenkooi

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probably dumb question, but is anyone able to dial record with 4k60 all-I, or is this limited to IPB?

I’m limited to IPB

Using Sony Tough V90 128gb SD card.
ALL-I is lmited to CFe, a few modes are locked onout when using SD cards.
 
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InchMetric

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and yet many here think Canon is scouring their every post.....
(Translated) "Akihiro, your new job is to spend all day every day reading these discussion boards hearing what ideas people have that the most elite engineers in Japan never thought of. Write them up in your free time and send us summaries..." "Hai!"
 

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Requires an HDMI 2.1 port. Canon is 2.0 max 4k60 I believe over 2.0. Even if you get a 2.1 cable, the port is still 2.0 and 2.1 is backwards compatible…
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The issue you're experiencing is are due to camera limitations.
The R5 can indeed do 4k 120fps internally how ever it cannot output this signal to be externally recorded.
If you still see signal when your outputting 4k 120fps it most likely is generating 60fps or 30fps.
 
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entoman

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The R5 still does single frames, you know?
Come on, are you being serious? Are you telling us that you can't think of a single situation where a photographer would want the ability to shoot silently at 5fps or 10fps?

Bird, wild animal and insect photography - all can be timid subjects and easily scared into fleeing by the sound of a shutter, and it's very common for these subjects to be shot at medium burst speeds such as 5 or 10fps. No one *wants* to shoot at 20fps and to have to sort through all the images, if 5fps or 10fps will do the job just as well - which it usually will.

For wedding photography, reportage and a hundred other genres it's often highly desirable to shoot silently, but in order to capture the moment, a burst is necessary, rather than a single shot. Again, no one wants to sort through 20 shots if 5 will do the job just as well.
 
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entoman

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(Translated) "Akihiro, your new job is to spend all day every day reading these discussion boards hearing what ideas people have that the most elite engineers in Japan never thought of. Write them up in your free time and send us summaries..." "Hai!"
Ah, but "the most elite engineers in Japan" might not be enthusiast or pro photographers.

Sure they likely do a bit of photography, but probably nothing specialised, so the vast majority of camera designers and engineers probably haven't got a clue about what is needed/wanted by e.g. wildlife or sports photographers.

Camera designers make a guess at what people want, but often get it completely wrong- e.g. look how unpopular the swipe bar on the R was.

I personally find it a ridiculous oversight e.g., that Canon don't allow exposure bracketing when using electronic shutter on the R5, and don't allow it to shoot bursts at anything slower than 20fps with electronic shutter. Many of us would prefer to use electronic shutter the whole time (for silence, and lack of mechanical wear), but with electronic shutter we are limited to single shots or 20fps bursts.
 

exige24

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Bruh. Look at the world. If your not what are you really doing in the space of you want to make money. This is an amazing photo camera, and well regarded as the best for the money in that department. As soon as someone says that, they also say but the video is behind camera x.

Most cameras are hybrid and are used as such, Pentax is still out there though.

On another note the fro is saying the threshold for over heating seems to be extended, that is a welcome Suprise.

I know. If only they made cameras that focused on video for all these videophiles so it wouldn't detract from my photography cameras. What a frustrating situation.

What's that you say?

Oh.


Hate the focus on video.
 

entoman

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You are right that is does do single.
The point I was trying to make was it is single or way too many frames.
Something in the middle would be greatly appreciated by many.
I'd love to know what excuse or "reasoning" Canon can offer for restricting electronic shutter to single shot or 20fps.
And I'd love to know their excuse or "reasoning" for disabling exposure bracketing with electronic shutter.

This isn't the usual "crippling" of cameras to protect sales of higher end models, it's just lack of forethought.
... and it could so easily be fixed with a firmware update, but all they seem to think about is video.
Don't they even realise that 90% of R5 owners will probably never shoot *any* video, let alone 8K?
 

Ramage

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I'd love to know what excuse or "reasoning" Canon can offer for restricting electronic shutter to single shot or 20fps.
And I'd love to know their excuse or "reasoning" for disabling exposure bracketing with electronic shutter.

This isn't the usual "crippling" of cameras to protect sales of higher end models, it's just lack of forethought.
... and it could so easily be fixed with a firmware update, but all they seem to think about is video.
Don't they even realise that 90% of R5 owners will probably never shoot *any* video, let alone 8K?
I would love to know the excuse or "reasoning" why someone would buy a camera that lacks a feature they clearly need... Guess I am part of the 10% that bought the camera that had what I wanted from the start not because I was hoping it would become what I wanted in the future...

I get it you want something to be added for your use case but that is no reason to sound like a typical [insert other brand here] fanboi.
 

entoman

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I would love to know the excuse or "reasoning" why someone would buy a camera that lacks a feature they clearly need...
I own an R5 - I bought it because I already had an extensive 5DS-based Canon system, but I wanted a better sensor, silent shutter, faster burst speed and IBIS, so the R5 was the obvious choice, and despite its shortcomings, I don't regret buying it.

Some features are so obvious that you take it for granted that they'll be included, and I kinda took it for granted that the camera would have such an obvious feature as the ability to bracket exposures with electronic shutter. And before you repeat the "should have checked first" mantra, let me tell you something - there is NO mention of this in the instruction manual, which I downloaded and read fully before buying the camera, and there has been NO mention of it in any of the numerous reviews that I read prior to purchase. And there was NO option to visit a camera store and spend an hour going one by one through every feature (or lack thereof) in the camera, because there was this thing called Covid, which kept all non-essential stores closed for months, so like most other people, I bought it on line.

The R5 is a fine camera, the best I've owned, and I don't regret buying it, but it's by no means perfect, and most of its faults/inadequacies could so simply be rectified with a firmware update. Yet here we are, a year later, and despite numerous complaints and suggestions from users, most of the shortcomings remain unaddressed. Elsewhere in this thread you'll find at least 20 shortcomings listed, presumably by other genuine owners of the R5, and most of them relate to things that Canon should have thought of and addressed before they released the camera.

... and I wouldn't mind betting, that whatever camera you own is lacking in certain features that *you* would like to be addressed, if you use your camera for anything other than straightforward snapshots. Would you like those features/bugs to be addressed in firmware updates? Yes, of course you would. No camera is perfect at launch, but in this day and age it is an expectation that manufacturers will listen to users, and update their firmware to reflect reasonable requests.

You accuse me of "sounding like a typical fanboi", but read your own post - you sound like a person who pretends that whatever they have purchased is absolutely perfect and in no need of improvement. Now what are such folk called? Yep, "fanboys"
 
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Ramage

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I own an R5 - I bought it because I already had an extensive 5DS-based Canon system, but I wanted a better sensor, silent shutter, faster burst speed and IBIS, so the R5 was the obvious choice, and despite its shortcomings, I don't regret buying it.

Some features are so obvious that you take it for granted that they'll be included, and I kinda took it for granted that the camera would have such an obvious feature as the ability to bracket exposures with electronic shutter. And before you repeat the "should have checked first" mantra, let me tell you something - there is NO mention of this in the instruction manual, which I downloaded and read fully before buying the camera, and there has been NO mention of it in any of the numerous reviews that I read prior to purchase. And there was NO option to visit a camera store and spend an hour going one by one through every feature (or lack thereof) in the camera, because there was this thing called Covid, which kept all non-essential stores closed for months, so like most other people, I bought it on line.

The R5 is a fine camera, the best I've owned, and I don't regret buying it, but it's by no means perfect, and most of its faults/inadequacies could so simply be rectified with a firmware update. Yet here we are, a year later, and despite numerous complaints and suggestions from users, most of the shortcomings remain unaddressed. Elsewhere in this thread you'll find at least 20 shortcomings listed, and most of them relate to things that Canon should have thought of and addressed before they released the camera.
Cool, still NO reason to be a total tit about.

Lots of other members have presented their frustration with missing specs or features in this and many other threads without resorting to using tired terms like "crippling".

BTW I am a software engineer that works with firmware all the time and while you might think these 'issues' are simple fixes there is likely a perfectly good reason they are not being addressed. I have no idea what those reasons are because I have never looked at Canon's code.

I will speculate about the 20FPS limit using the silent shutter though:
  • I think it is due at least in part to the readout speed of the sensor, any slower than 20FPS and they will introduce banding so they locked the FPS for the best possible results.
That is my educated WAG so take it for what is worth.

Cheers
 

macrunning

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Actually, that ain't what I am saying. Your interpretation is poor. You keep dreaming about that pure stills Canon. Ain't gonna happen... Ever. If you think stills photographers are being ignored, then you have not held a modern digital camera in your cotton pickin' life. Just plain ignorant.
To quote you - "If you think stills photographers are being ignored, then you have not held a modern digital camera in your cotton pickin' life. Just plain ignorant"

FYI - I shoot with the R5. If that's not modern I don't know what is. I haven't dreamed about the "pure stills Canon". I just think it would be nice to have a camera from Canon that focused on stills photography and maybe they put a little more attention to detail behind it and not worry about video stuff. As for ignorant, well I'll leave that to you. I'm not the one slinging petty names and accusations around. It's ok for folks to act their age online, maybe if more did so it wouldn't be such a disgusting place sometimes.
 

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To quote you - "If you think stills photographers are being ignored, then you have not held a modern digital camera in your cotton pickin' life. Just plain ignorant"

FYI - I shoot with the R5. If that's not modern I don't know what is. I haven't dreamed about the "pure stills Canon". I just think it would be nice to have a camera from Canon that focused on stills photography and maybe they put a little more attention to detail behind it and not worry about video stuff. As for ignorant, well I'll leave that to you. I'm not the one slinging petty names and accusations around. It's ok for folks to act their age online, maybe if more did so it wouldn't be such a disgusting place sometimes.
Again, if you believe stills shooters are being ignored....

You really believe it? You made an outlandish statement. I followed with more outlandish B.S.
 
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