First Full Frame...on a budget.

[sandymandy]

france is in Europe so check other european countries too. UK often has great offers aswell...

 

[wsmith96]

I did the same a while back and bought a 5D. It was $425 and came with a bunch of accessories. It's replaced my 60D as my everyday camera. Image quality is nice, but like everyone says, the lower the ISO the better. I still get good quality at ISO 1250 to 1600, but quality improves quite a bit below 1250.

With money saved on not buying new, I bought a new 50mm f1.4 and a new 24-105L. Both perform great on this body. Of course, YMMV.

Let us know what you decided upon.

 

[digital-jesus]

So until iso 400-800 both 5d and 5D3 have the same image quality ?

 

[wsmith96]

I don't own a 5D III for a continued comparison, but I have used one. From the few images that I have from the 5DIII, the 5DIII wins on resolution (obviously) but for printing up to 11"x14" I didn't see much difference. I typically don't print higher than 13"x19". With a good lens and everyday printing, I'm not sure I could tell the difference on a printed picture given the ISO was up to 800. Now past that, the 5D III is the winner hands down.

-w

 

[sdsr]

I agree with others that the 6D would be a good choice. Here's another, rather odd (perhaps) suggestion: since you say you'll be using the camera for landscapes, you don't really need AF, right? Not sure about France, but in the U.S. the cheapest FF option for a new camera is the Sony A7 (the original, not its successor with IBIS) which, during the most recent round of Sony deals, could be bought for c. $1000-$1100 from a reputable store like B&H. With an adapter you can use any Canon EF lenses you may have (some will AF slowly but accurately, others may not AF at all, but manual focusing on mirrorless cameras with EVFs is easy) and the results will look great, especially at the low ISOs you say you'll be using (the 6D is probably better at high ISOs). And, while on the subject of going FF on a budget, note that with a camera body that makes MF easy adding FF lenses can be shockingly inexpensive if you buy old manual lenses, many of which are superb (including many made by Canon, lest anyone reading this thinks I'm trying to undermine Canon!).

 

[martti]

1.4 kg of technology from 2008

And clearly you are not considering the 'budget' part of the question and you have never worked with 1Ds MkIII files.

Hmmm...but I can go to eBay and look at the prices there and see that the 6D bought new is cheaper, more recent , lighter and comes with a warranty.

See for yourself: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/canon-1ds-mark-iii

 

[privatebydesign]

1.4 kg of technology from 2008

And clearly you are not considering the 'budget' part of the question and you have never worked with 1Ds MkIII files.

Hmmm...but I can go to eBay and look at the prices there and see that the 6D bought new is cheaper, more recent , lighter and comes with a warranty.

See for yourself: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/canon-1ds-mark-iii

I was referring to your suggestion to the OP get a 5D MkIII, you then went on to say "If it is beyond your scope, the 6D is your only reasonable choice", I was merely pointing out that you were wrong. There is a very good choice between the two and the 1Ds MkIII has many advantages over the 6D.

 

[Hillsilly]

I've got an older 1Ds Mkii, which is currently selling for significantly less than your budget limit. At ISO 100 and 200, the image quality is on par with ever other Canon camera. The only reason to spend more / buy newer is if you want cleaner images at high ISOs and/or video features.

The 1Ds Mkii and newer Mkiii cameras have different feature sets to the 5Dii. Depending on your uses, they are all good choices.

 

[Philshoz]

The budget is key.

It is pointless looking at eBay.com, sales tax, import duty makes it too expensive.

france is in Europe so check other european countries too. UK often has great offers aswell...

I am all over the UK sites, bought my 7D from a UK supplier.

I am still favouring the 5D II, similar ergonomics as the 7D.

The hunt goes on.

 

[mrzero]

From a practicality standpoint, for the current owner of a 7D, another plus is that the 5DII and 6D use the same battery and charger. While everyone debates the 1DsIII, just remember that it uses its own batteries and a much larger charger.

 

[ksgal]

My thoughts.

Just got a 'new to me' 5D mark II used, lower shutter count with grip.

I'm still figuring out the camera, but for ergonomics, I'm coming from a 50D and it is very similar and easy for me to navigate and figure out where things are because of it. I also have a 7D mark II I got back in October. I've never used a 6D. I think not having the joystick with a 6D would frustrate the heck out of me, so I'm glad I have the 5DII. I'm not much of a landscaper, to be honest, so take it all with a grain of salt.

 

[Marsu42]

I think not having the joystick with a 6D would frustrate the heck out of me, so I'm glad I have the 5DII.

This is a main usability difference, but with so few af points - and the outer points very being very dodgy - I don't think it's a/the (main) drawback of the 6d. It might be a bit more annoying to move around the 1:1 preview with the cursor keys though.

 

[ksgal]

I use the joystick a lot, more than af points. Not knocking the camera, but I also use it on the 7D2 so it is easier to switch back and forth between the same type of layout. OP has a 7D and 40D so is also use to the joystick. JMHO. YMMV.

 

[Sporgon]

I use the joystick a lot, more than af points. Not knocking the camera, but I also use it on the 7D2 so it is easier to switch back and forth between the same type of layout. OP has a 7D and 40D so is also use to the joystick. JMHO. YMMV.

Seems like the used marketplace agrees with you. As the new price of the 6D has come down so has the second hand prices - naturally. But the 5DII hasn't continued to maintain the differential; it's held up better. so despite being out of production and not a current model a used 5DII is only a little less than a used 6D. The same if its a 6D WG. I find this quite surprising. Either it's the '5D' name or people prefer the ergonomics, 'cos it sure as hell ain't as good as the 6D at high ISO.

 

[Marsu42]

Either it's the '5D' name or people prefer the ergonomics, 'cos it sure as hell ain't as good as the 6D at high ISO.

My guess is that people realize that the 6d has written "cheap" all over it - and (probably rightly so) suspect that a used 5d will hold longer than a used 6d. Indicators are the longer shutter durability (5d = 150% of 6d), slower x-sync & shutter. Last not least, of course the bigger 5d feels "sturdier" as it's bigger and has more metal components.

Still, I find that given the tech advances of the 6d paying this premium for a used 5d2 should be well considered as it makes the used 5d2 on the market seem "overpriced" to me. I know, this isn't possible on an open market, just my personal feeling

 

[Sporgon]

Either it's the '5D' name or people prefer the ergonomics, 'cos it sure as hell ain't as good as the 6D at high ISO.

My guess is that people realize that the 6d has written "cheap" all over it - and (probably rightly so) suspect that a used 5d will hold longer than a used 6d. Indicators are the longer shutter durability (5d = 150% of 6d), slower x-sync & shutter. Last not least, of course the bigger 5d feels "sturdier" as it's bigger and has more metal components.

Still, I find that given the tech advances of the 6d paying this premium for a used 5d2 should be well considered as it makes the used 5d2 on the market seem "overpriced" to me. I know, this isn't possible on an open market, just my personal feeling

You know it wouldn't surprise me if the shutter in the 6D isn't exactly the same one as in the 5DII, and Canon just say it's 100,000 cycles or whatever, and restrict it to 1/4000 etc for marketing separation.

 

[Marsu42]

You know it wouldn't surprise me if the shutter in the 6D isn't exactly the same one as in the 5DII, and Canon just say it's 100,000 cycles or whatever, and restrict it to 1/4000 etc for marketing separation.

Being at 90k with my 6d, I really, really and sincerely do hope so. Another reason for the shutter duration limitation of course are service costs (if someone manages to shoot 100k-150k inside the warranty period).

That's the general problem with these specs - you cannot tell. That's because on the same not, I have the subjective feeling that the 6d's cursor buttons and the wheel aren't exactly built for eternity (say vs. my 60d), but I could be completely wrong.

 

[Sporgon]

You know it wouldn't surprise me if the shutter in the 6D isn't exactly the same one as in the 5DII, and Canon just say it's 100,000 cycles or whatever, and restrict it to 1/4000 etc for marketing separation.

Being at 90k with my 6d, I really, really and sincerely do hope so. Another reason for the shutter duration limitation of course are service costs (if someone manages to shoot 100k-150k inside the warranty period).

That's the general problem with these specs - you cannot tell. That's because on the same not, I have the subjective feeling that the 6d's cursor buttons and the wheel aren't exactly built for eternity (say vs. my 60d), but I could be completely wrong.

The rear command wheel of the 6D is my main complaint regarding the camera. I had assumed it was identical to the 60/70D because it is identical configuration. Are you saying the 60D doesn't have such a dreadful imprecise 'Fisher Price' toy feeling to it as the 6D ?

Soon I am going to decide whether to sell the 5DII and get another 6D, so I have an identical pair, or keep the 5DII, sell the 6 and get a 5DIII. I don't find that the 5DII and 6D mix 'n match very well. Everything is purposely different on them, such as rear ergonomics, play back, flash compensation etc.

 

[Marsu42]

Are you saying the 60D doesn't have such a dreadful imprecise 'Fisher Price' toy feeling to it as the 6D ?

Yes, the 60d has a snappy "click" sound to the wheel, making the feeling much more precise. Note that's just the overall feeling, and it's maybe a bit easier to blindly turn the wheel one position when in a hurry because of the better feedback. But it doesn't mean anything about the durability. I hope.

Soon I am going to decide whether to sell the 5DII and get another 6D, so I have an identical pair, or keep the 5DII, sell the 6 and get a 5DIII. I don't find that the 5DII and 6D mix 'n match very well.

Though call, I understand the predicament. But as 5d3 and 6d are very close in iq, and if you have a "preferred" camera and don't shoot 50/50, I'd go 5d3+5d2 because of (predicted) longer shutter and better sealing on the 5d3. And you'll have at least one camera with a decent af system :-o

 

[Sporgon]

Are you saying the 60D doesn't have such a dreadful imprecise 'Fisher Price' toy feeling to it as the 6D ?

Yes, the 60d has a snappy "click" sound to the wheel, making the feeling much more precise. Note that's just the overall feeling, and it's maybe a bit easier to blindly turn the wheel one position when in a hurry because of the better feedback.

Well I'm appalled. Isn't the 60D about half the price of a 6D ? It probably costs Canon more to engineer that crap feeling into the wheel anyway. As a customer I acknowledge that the manufacturer will reduce features on a cheaper model; the AF system compared with the 5DIII for instance, but to fit a rear command wheel that feels like it's just come out of a Christmas Cracker when exactly the same thing is fitted to a higher standard on a much cheaper model is annoying.

I had always assumed that the wheel on the 60 and 70D must be just as naf.