grip gives fps boost on 5D3 to 6.7-6.9fps????????

[Vertvorb]

The 6.9fps rumour that was so "black and white" had to of come from somewhere. Perhaps a prototype had it and they removed it for general release for some reason or another? Would be awesome if the grip did give the boost, i'm definately going to keep my fingers crossed.

 

[Arkarch]

Do such hacks exist for Canon camera's like 7D? Is it the firmware?

Magic Lantern may eventually be available for the 5DmIII. I am sure they are working on it. Who knows if they can up it. If Canon artificially downgraded the max FPS, it may be for reliability or durability. But maybe the grip gives them enough current to maintain a higher FPS?

For the 7D - its a multi-processor camera and while Magic Lantern tried, my understanding is that it is technically beyond their scope (and I fully understand that challenge). Info is somewhere on their website.

 

[WarStreet]

The .9 fps increase represent 15% improvement. 15% more photos to choice from that 1 - 2 second action. 15 % better odds. We have seen lot of applauses from users for a lower percentage improvement in resolution in a 10 year old replacement lens. At least an unexpected positive news, and I will be happy with that if it is true. Is it possible that canon did not mention anything about it due to inconsistency?

 

[smithy]

LOL. Canon isn't Nikon. They don't make you get a grip to get another .7-.9 FPS out of your camera.

Um, I have an EOS 1V film camera, and the battery grip is exactly how to get an extra 4-5 fps out of the camera.

Yeah but it comes with the body!

Unfortunately not - the grip only came with the 1V-HS model. I've been looking for a grip for my 1V for ages, but nobody sells them anymore. It doesn't really matter now, since I'm looking at replacing all of my bodies with the 5D Mark III.

 

[MARKOE PHOTOE]

Don't believe everything you hear....I met a photographer one day while shooting surfers in Santa Cruz Ca. He was shooting with a 7D and 400 2.8 lens, a nice combo. He claims he sent his 7D to Canon and they 'converted' it to shoot 12 fps. Of course, I was amazed so I called Canon and asked them, 'Not possible' they said. This guy was full of it.

 

[psolberg]

no. they would have said so. they have to protect the 1DX

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

LOL. Canon isn't Nikon. They don't make you get a grip to get another .7-.9 FPS out of your camera.

Well it wouldn't be anything to LOL over. If you got an extra frame, you got an extra frame and that can mean the difference between 1 good frame from a sequence vs. 2 or 1 vs. none.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

The 6.9fps rumour that was so "black and white" had to of come from somewhere. Perhaps a prototype had it and they removed it for general release for some reason or another? Would be awesome if the grip did give the boost, i'm definately going to keep my fingers crossed.

yeah maybe that was just an alternate pro-type, a real shame if they went with the 6.0fps one in the end, especially for $3500 and zero improvements to the sensor, at all, for low ISO shooting.

it's totally foolish but I still hold out hope that one rep was correct, although it's easy to think of hundreds of reasons why it makes sense for it to not be true hah

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

no. they would have said so. they have to protect the 1DX

unless they are waiting to trumpet the spec until all the 1DX pre-orders and have shipped and they are too late to return and are protecting 1Dx that way ;D

i doubt it though, just wishful thinking most likely

 

[WillShootPhotos]

Nope - 6.0 fps with and without the grip... some grip review notes too...

I received my grip about a week back and just yesterday did a test to see if there was any fps boost when shooting with the grip vs without...

5D Mark III, genuine canon LP-E6 batteries, fully charged. Canon BG-E11 grip.

I recorded the sound of the shooting, pulled the audio over to my PC, looked at the wave form in a sound editor and lo and behold - the same frame rate both gripped and without grip.

All that said - I will report that the new grip is great. When mounted, the 5D3 is taller than my 1D4. The "portrait" section of the grip feels larger (I've not actually measured it) than the portrait section of the 1D4 too.

Nice to have the second joystick, but the positioning is a touch different than on the main grip. To put the second joystick in the same relative position, it would need to be about at the location of the large wheel "lock" switch. So they had to move inboard a bit to keep it actually on the grip. I'm still reflexively reaching my thumb over to the "main" joystick, but slowly re-training myself...

The construction is super solid feeling, I like the new door setup that mimics the 1D series battery insertion/sealing.

I'll be doing a post about the grip soon - along with the huge advantage of using udma 7 cards in both the 5D3 and the 1D4...

Let me know if there are other questions about the grip...

- Will

 

[awinphoto]

this is news....?? oh. well, had i known that this spec wasn't out i would have confirmed it sooner...

at a Hands-on Prevew event that i attended last week for the 5D Mark III a Canon Australia rep did indeed state that the grip boosts the fps to 6.9. it's a fact, not a rumor. why it isn't in the specs anywhere is beyond me as i am sure the Canon rep knew what he was talking about as he had just returned from 5D Mark III training in Japan.

I think it's called being a good used car salesman... smells fishy to me

 

[moreorless]

My guess is the rumour originally surfaced to explain the difference between the rumoured 7fps and the actual 6fps.

Has anyone actually timed the 5D mk3? perhaps its somewhat faster than 6fps but Canon were unwilling to over estimate and label it at 7fps?

 

[WillShootPhotos]

My guess is the rumour originally surfaced to explain the difference between the rumoured 7fps and the actual 6fps.

Has anyone actually timed the 5D mk3? perhaps its somewhat faster than 6fps but Canon were unwilling to over estimate and label it at 7fps?

Um, yes - two posts earlier in this thread: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=4512.msg129235#msg129235

6.0 sec on the nose for both gripped and un-gripped.

The discussions I'd seen about the 7.0 fps (well - reported 6.8 fps w/ grip) were all credited back to various stories about having discussions with the ever ambiguous "Canon Rep" saying that the 6.0 was boosted to 6.9 with the grip...

The spec has pretty much always been reported (well - excluding rumors and speculation) as 6fps by canon in all their press releases, etc.

- Will

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

My guess is the rumour originally surfaced to explain the difference between the rumoured 7fps and the actual 6fps.

Has anyone actually timed the 5D mk3? perhaps its somewhat faster than 6fps but Canon were unwilling to over estimate and label it at 7fps?

Um, yes - two posts earlier in this thread: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=4512.msg129235#msg129235

6.0 sec on the nose for both gripped and un-gripped.

The discussions I'd seen about the 7.0 fps (well - reported 6.8 fps w/ grip) were all credited back to various stories about having discussions with the ever ambiguous "Canon Rep" saying that the 6.0 was boosted to 6.9 with the grip...

The spec has pretty much always been reported (well - excluding rumors and speculation) as 6fps by canon in all their press releases, etc.

- Will

Speaking of rumors. For ages, some have claimed that only a large 1 series battery provides enough current to drive supre-tele AF at maximum speed. Others claimed that the difference was simply because the non 1 series bodies had slow AF chips and processing. Has anyone compared how fast a 5D3 can drive super-tele AF vs a 1D4/1D3/1DX? Another wild rumor was that the new grip cost more because they added the option to drive the batteries in parallel or that it would take optional 1 series battery pack. It's already been disproven (the 5D3 grip only allows the batteries to run in series and it won't accept any special batter packs). But I wonder, if they had allowed for that, if it would have sped up AF speed at all.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

If the batteries in the grip are in parallel, then the internal resistance would be lower, and under a high current drain, the voltage would be a little higher. If the FPS is dependent only on the battery voltage, you might see a small increase. Li-On batteries do have a internal resistance that is relatively high, so the voltage drops during high current output.

So its possible, and, thats probably why Nikon is able to get a higher FPS with dual batteries installed in the grip.

 

[Loswr]

So its possible, and, thats probably why Nikon is able to get a higher FPS with dual batteries installed in the grip.

Except that apparently, with a trick/hack involving auto-bracketing, Nikon bodies can achieve that higher frame rate without the grip installed.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

So its possible, and, thats probably why Nikon is able to get a higher FPS with dual batteries installed in the grip.

Except that apparently, with a trick/hack involving auto-bracketing, Nikon bodies can achieve that higher frame rate without the grip installed.

Supposedly it only works when the battery is near full charge. Just what I read in one post. No idea if it's true.

I still wonder if the 1 series drives AF motors more quickly due to the big power pack thing is true or just some tall tale passed down. Anybody have say a 300 2.8 IS or 400 2.8 IS and a 5D3 and a 1D3/1D4/1DX around?

 

[Kernuak]

For what it's worth, when I went to the 5D MkIII demo back in March, the UK CPS rep said that the AF is quicker on 1 series cameras due to the higher voltage from the battery, but I haven't tested it either (I don't have either cameras ).

 

[Loswr]

For what it's worth, when I went to the 5D MkIII demo back in March, the UK CPS rep said that the AF is quicker on 1 series cameras due to the higher voltage from the battery, but I haven't tested it either (I don't have either cameras ).

Chuck Westfall has stated that, as well.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

For what it's worth, when I went to the 5D MkIII demo back in March, the UK CPS rep said that the AF is quicker on 1 series cameras due to the higher voltage from the battery, but I haven't tested it either (I don't have either cameras ).

Chuck Westfall has stated that, as well.

In that case then why don't they make more intelligent grips like Nikon does? Why not a flip switch to toggle between in series and in parallel, or if that still won't work with basic batteries, then why not allow it to also take the full 1 series power pack as I believe the Nikon grips do? With the past non 1 series the AF logic chips may have been too slow to take much advantage anyway, but now that we have the same AF logic chips and logic in the 5 series why not make the more expensive 5D3 grip deliver something more than it just being a portrait mode grip?