How does Canon respond to the D800?

[K-amps]

So now that Nikon has owned up and announced the fabled D800, and we all kept saying that Canon will respond Fire with Fire…

What do you guys think Canon will do now? Match Nikon on features (since they probably need a high MP body anyway now that the 1dx is the high DR body) or will they go their own route (22mp but better AF etc).

Also on Price, since the $3900 non-AA version did not happen, does that mean Canon with a 22mp body will try and keep it in the 2500 range?

 

[Ricku]

To truly respond to the D800, canon will have to make a 5D3 that will cannibalize the sales of the 1D X.

And we all know they do not want to do so.

Well played Nikon. Well played..

 

[pedro]

To truly respond to the D800, canon will have to make a 5D3 that will cannibalize the sales of the 1D X.

And we all know they do not want to do so.

Well played Nikon. Well played..

Exactly. Wish they'd do. We had it all here:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3131.0.html

 

[awinphoto]

well... the nikon only has 15 cross sensors so perhaps the 7d's 19 cross sensors would be a good start... Those who need high MP (not to say there aren't any) are few and far between except in agency situation... I could see a 24-27MP camera... max 30. I think they'd love to put in the 1d4 or 1dx ISO capabilities (104K+) but they realize the more MP, the lower that number... This is probably why the D800 is no better ISO capabilities as the 5d2 albeit it's 15 MP more. The 5d tends to be the professionals photographer all around camera, so no need for 36 MP in that case, but mid 20's would be appropriate, and improved AF. Levels and custom buttons most likely... HD video @60fps to keep face, and weathersealing...

 

[awinphoto]

IF canon does do a High MP camera, i could see a with and without AA filter like nikon did so no one can complain. But I have a hunch we may see another camera alltogether that is high MP... perhaps 40+ to shove it in nikons face.

 

[K-amps]

IF canon does do a High MP camera, i could see a with and without AA filter like nikon did so no one can complain. But I have a hunch we may see another camera alltogether that is high MP... perhaps 40+ to shove it in nikons face.

Added to the poll.

Everyone has 3 votes!

 

[Freshprince08]

IF canon does do a High MP camera, i could see a with and without AA filter like nikon did so no one can complain. But I have a hunch we may see another camera alltogether that is high MP... perhaps 40+ to shove it in nikons face.

Strongly agree with this, and in my personal opinion this has been Canon's plan since before then1Dx release - a high MP studio/landscape cam, with another body more focused on noise/low light performance. Call them what you will!

 

[Picsfor]

if every one has 3 votes, how come i only got 1?

 

[tt]

Scott Kelby makes a point - the D800 isn't the true successor to the D700, in that breaks form - it's less about sports or action than the D700 or the 1DX or the 7D.
http://scottkelby.com/2012/jumping-the-gun-on-the-d800/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

How Canon responds? Well, the 7D/5D MkII hybrid sounds about right.
To play the devil's advocate:
The cinematographers will be disappointed if there aren't improvements like the D800's.
The wedding folk will call for pitchforks if their low light needs aren't satisfied
Landscape folk are wanting a MF in a FF body, and general folk might complain if it's higher priced, above the current 5D Mk II, to make (more) space for a 600D, 60D and 7D replacement if needed.

What are they responding to? The MP count, the video capabilities, the AF/AE/Face recognition/FX,DX capabilities?
I don't see why Canon can't come out with a higher priced 5D replacement. The 7D price went down quickly, the 5D MarkII has had a gradual decline, but I don't think either model sold new is going to go any lower than it was a month ago.

 

[awinphoto]

Scott Kelby makes a point - the D800 isn't the true successor to the D700, in that breaks form - it's less about sports or action than the D700 or the 1DX or the 7D.
http://scottkelby.com/2012/jumping-the-gun-on-the-d800/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

How Canon responds? Well, the 7D/5D MkII hybrid sounds about right.
To play the devil's advocate:
The cinematographers will be disappointed if there aren't improvements like the D800's.
The wedding folk will call for pitchforks if their low light needs aren't satisfied
Landscape folk are wanting a MF in a FF body, and general folk might complain if it's higher priced, above the current 5D Mk II, to make (more) space for a 600D, 60D and 7D replacement if needed.

What are they responding to? The MP count, the video capabilities, the AF/AE/Face recognition/FX,DX capabilities?
I don't see why Canon can't come out with a higher priced 5D replacement. The 7D price went down quickly, the 5D MarkII has had a gradual decline, but I don't think either model sold new is going to go any lower than it was a month ago.

My vote is the wedding/landscape mesh...

 

[EYEONE]

First off, I don't think Canon is going to be responding to anything. They are likely not surprised and have known about what the D800 was going to be long before we did. But they are probably planning to release a high MP DSLR in the coming year anyway regardless of what the D800 turned out to be. I don't think Canon is jumping to their feet trying to figure out what to do about a 36mp SLR from a competitor.

They dropped the 1Dx down to 18mp and made a lot of people happy. It's looking like the 5DIII will be 22mp but there has got to be a high MP camera for the people that want that. Maybe a 3D or a 5Dx or something. They have got to know that there is a market for 30+mp and are working on it.

Even though 30+mp doesn't appeal to me in the slightest I recognize that some people need or want it.

 

[K-amps]

if every one has 3 votes, how come i only got 1?

I tried, I had 3, but it has to be put the first time you access the thread/poll.

 

[Dianoda]

To truly respond to the D800, canon will have to make a 5D3 that will cannibalize the sales of the 1D X.

And we all know they do not want to do so.

Well played Nikon. Well played..

Exactly. Wish they'd do. We had it all here:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3131.0.html

Yeah, if Canon matches those rumored specs, then the 5DIII/5DX will easily win my money. For my next body, it's really just a fight between the 1DX and 5DII successor anyways. I have enough fancy Canon glass that I wouldn't consider switching systems, Nikon's ergonomics don't sit well with me, and I'm not interested in another APS-C camera, either (I want the better DoF control and cleaner high-ISO output that full frame offers).

For the Nikon users, the D800 definitely looks pretty sweet. Although, judging from test images, the fabled 14-24 f/2.8 isn't quite up to snuff for a 36MP FF sensor. Test shots with the 24-70 and 70-200 look pretty great for the most part.

 

[RedEye]

As of yesterday, Canon has new glass - with higher contrast - to match an at least equal in quality sensor = a slight step above. Most pro guys will chase the glass and then hope the sensor won't let them down, and in this case I think Canon had an equal and opposite reaction to the new camera release. When Canon's new camera is out, the net results will likely be superior.

P.S. to Canon Corp. - Please ship by April so we arn't shunned by the Nikon spring breakers, otherwise they'll look at us with our rebles like we farted in Church...

 

[awinphoto]

think they'd love to put in the 1d4 or 1dx ISO capabilities (104K+) but they realize the more MP, the lower that number... This is probably why the D800 is no better ISO capabilities as the 5d2 albeit it's 15 MP more.

This is a very strange statement. Of course we don't know yet but the D800 is expected to be about 0.5 stop better than 5D2 assuming it has the same performance as D7000 sensor per area unit.

Also remember that everything else equal a higher MP sensor will give better image quality at high ISO than a lower MP sensor because of the efficiency of nosie reduction algorithms.

Well the 5d2 ISO being the same as D800 in terms of the 25K max.. whether in practice if it's 1/2 a stop better or not, we will have to see more test/results from production samples before we get too worked up. Obviously, the higher the MP, the more noise you are going to get at high ISO, or at least the more the noise will be magnified. That is probably why nikon didn't bother with 51K ISO or 104K ISO with the D800, it would look like crap and they dont want people to have a reason to complain about their choice to use high MP.

 

[unfocused]

Canon Rumors guy was spot on with the 1Dx. I have no reason to think he's wrong about the 5DIII: 22 mp, Significantly improved autofocus, new battery grip with joystick.

I think Canon's market research showed their customers happy with 21 mp, but wanting better autofocus, higher ISO, low noise and better dynamic range. I think Nikon's market research showed people were happy with their ISO, noise, autofocus and dynamic range, but wanted better resolution.

Nikon may have overcompensated for their past megapixel shortcomings. Maybe Canon will overcompensate in autofocus, noise, ISO and dynamic range.

It will be very interesting if the two major manufacturers really do go in different directions.

 

[awinphoto]

Obviously, the higher the MP, the more noise you are going to get at high ISO, or at least the more the noise will be magnified.

Your statement make no sense!
The number of MP itself will not affect the amout of noise but the higher MP sensor will give a higher image quality (less noise vs resolution) than a lower MP sensor at high ISO because of the efficiency of nose reduction algorithms.

The more MP, the higher the pixel density of the sensor and you are going to get increased noise throughout the ISO range... you are going to get more detail as well, but see the 7D if you have any doubts about my statements... People have on this very forum griped about ISO noise on a 18MP crop sensor at ISO 100?!? You can combat this slightly with new processors, Digic for canon, expeed for nikon and the conversion software, but it is what it is.

 

[awinphoto]

Canon Rumors guy was spot on with the 1Dx. I have no reason to think he's wrong about the 5DIII: 22 mp, Significantly improved autofocus, new battery grip with joystick.

I think Canon's market research showed their customers happy with 21 mp, but wanting better autofocus, higher ISO, low noise and better dynamic range. I think Nikon's market research showed people were happy with their ISO, noise, autofocus and dynamic range, but wanted better resolution.

Nikon may have overcompensated for their past megapixel shortcomings. Maybe Canon will overcompensate in autofocus, noise, ISO and dynamic range.

It will be very interesting if the two major manufacturers really do go in different directions.

+1

 

[unruled]

in the last 2 years canon has been raving about how photogs have been asking for high MP. they went from 10->~18. it would seem weird to me if suddenly they say 18 ( or 22) is enough.

and Nikon who stayed behind on lower MPs for years now leapfrogs.

 

[K-amps]

I do think Nikon overcompensated, but it also has to do with what Sony could deliver in terms of sensors. Often the design is limited by the Technology/ supply chain available to a manufacturer. Nikon wanted to respond to the market with a high MP body(s)... Sony made the sensor available to them and they went for it.

In case of Canon, I think they realize that the 18-22mp is the sweet spot for enough resolution/DR/ISO/Noise/Airydisc. I think they will stay at this level for a while. This optimum combinition can satisfy a very high number of customers.

If CR Guy's numbers are spot on.... I have my funds saved up. I will pull the plug on the 5D3 as soon as pre-orders are available!