I have just lost confidence with Canon Rumors & B&H

[bbb34]

Open your eyes

You better get used to the fact that CR is not a private hobby anymore. It is a business that wants to make profit. 15k visitors per day according to http://digsitevalue.org/s/canonrumors.com . Advertising is the way to fund such a website. As long as the site can still inform and/or entertain you, it is fine. Just don't be naive and expect somebody else's altruism funding it for you. And yes, it is still you who has to compare prices before you buy.

 

[infared]

over reacting much?

No I don't think I'm over reacting. I got the lower price and my lens is in transit. I find it offensive that a new "better deal" is being hyped, that is not a better deal, and when I point this out, my post is blocked. Do you understand that logic?

The point is this: Every time someone clicks on that lens promotion for B&H from this website and then actually make a purchase from B&H money is made by the owner of the website. Since B&H is the largest reputable dealer in camera equipment, many links will be listed on this site and many others as it brings in income. This is not going to stop.
Buyer beware.....as always...but as someone pointed out, that lens is not in the promo.
Be happy...I bought the lens several months back for $2300! It's a great lens and I have been using it a lot so, oh well!

 

[pwp]

I saw the headline "new bigger savings from B&H". The lens I purchased yesterday, the 24-70 f2.8 ii is now $2099 vs $2049 I paid yesterday. How is this better??? My attempt at posting this earlier was blocked.

Yes this sometimes happens. But why sweat the small stuff? You can paint yourself into a corner....

-PW

 

[Loswr]

Re: I have just lost confidence with DCM1024's ability to read

I saw the headline "new bigger savings from B&H". The lens I purchased yesterday, the 24-70 f2.8 ii is now $2099 vs $2049 I paid yesterday. How is this better??? My attempt at posting this earlier was blocked.

It's "bigger rebates on select lenses". Are you sure that the 24-70II is on the list ?

+1

@DCM1024, read much? The 24-70L II is not on that list of bigger rebates. When the rebates went into effect, pricing became subject to Canon's Minimum Advertised Price policy - if vendors fail to honor that policy, Canon can refuse to reimburse them for the rebate amounts. With the MAP, prices on lots of lenses actually went up from where they were before the 'rebate' went into effect. The point of CR's post is that on some lenses, not including the 24-70L II, B&H is now charging less than Canon's MAP, which is why you have to add one of those lenses to the cart to see the reduced price.

So, B&H decides to offer a better deal than Canon's 'rebates' on some lenses, not the lens you bought, by circumventing Canon's pricing policy, CR informs people about that, and you are complaining that you got a better deal by ordering the lens before the rebates started.

Since it seems your poor reading comprehension skills and oddly skewed sense of entitlement have caused you to lose confidence in B&H and Canon Rumors, I suggest you return the lens you bought to B&H, perhaps order it from Adorama (maybe you failed to notice that someone posted here on CR a while back a coupon code for Adorama that gave a price of $1929 for the 24-70L II, a far better deal than you got) and pay the $2099 current price, delete your CR Forums account, and move on with your life.

Thanks, and have a good day. :

 

[bycostello]

maybe it applied to other stuff?

 

[bycostello]

why canon rumors by the way...

 

[crasher8]

I see her point, it is misleading. However it takes a bit of reading, watching and retail detective work (let alone knowledge of how this historically is played out most seasons/years) to get a grip on what's being done by B&H in regards to MAP and Rebates.

It's like reading headlines vs the body of an article.

I do however think she is overreacting.

 

[Northstar]

Two things:

1. As others have said, the 24-70 is not included on that list of "New Bigger Savings"...which makes your point moot.

2. The current "in the cart price" for that lens at BH is 2049, not 2099 as you stated. You do know that you have to add it to your cart to se the actual price right?

 

[kyamon]

It seems to me that the OP was under the impression that Canon Rumors was some magic blog that financed itself from thin air and colourful pixels, and could thus operate completely independently from the rest of the (economic) world. Too bad it is not. But on the other hand, CR makes no secret that BH is financially involved in this undertaking - there are ads all over the site, and every review or article has a link to the according site from B&H. It is pretty clear what is happening here, isn't it?

Is that a problem? No, of course not. The blog is about Canon (rumors), not about Canon distributors and sales companies. The support from BH does not lead to any bias at all, since BH is not the only place selling Canon, and it is also selling things other than Canon. And I don't think CR ever claimed that the deals you are getting at BH are the best you can get. And most of the times that is probably also not the case - you will always find someone on eBay or Craigslist who sells you an 800 mm lens for $1200, supposedly in perfect condition. BH will not do that, I hope, nor is CR claiming that BH is the only place to buy. People who do buy there know why they do so, I presume (being in Europe I have no experience), and might even be willing to pay a few bucks extra because at BH they seem to know what they are getting. If you want the absolute cheapest you have to do the research yourself.

As many others said before, you got a better price, be happy. Maybe some moderator blocked your post because he had not yet had his morning coffee, maybe he accidentally clicked the wrong button, maybe you were using indecent language, whatever. The fact is that you have it here now, and that you seem to have idealised expectations from our world, where - unfortunately or not - money plays a certain role and is necessary to run businesses.

 

[EchoLocation]

I get what you're saying OP.
I also think you're overreacting quite a bit.
If you have lost your confidence in this site, especially about something that isn't even a rumor, then that is your problem. This site is here to make a profit(at least I was under the impression that it was,) and if you cant handle the fact that sometimes they link you to "good deals" that aren't always the "best deals" then you probably shouldn't come around here anymore.
I for one, would like to thank the CR team for having such an awesome website and always keeping us up to date on Canon news. I think the CR team is great and I love all the work they do to give us interesting subjects to talk about.
I understand that sometimes they post things because of business decisions, and I'm ok with it. if you aren't ok with it, then keep making whining posts, or leave.

 

[billnelson75]

I think the OP is holding CR and B&H to a higher standard than just about any website or business. Their job is to make money, not always give you the best deal, or always have the best price on everything. That is your job as a consumer to ensure you are getting the best deal.

What are they supposed to say, "New Price! Only slightly more expensive than we sold it for last week!" LOL, every website/business out there makes it always seem like the time to buy is NOW!!!

 

[drolo61]

@neuro

Well said 1+

 

[ashmadux]

Seems like there are a ton of apologists on here.

It doesn't seem to be a popular move to mention in the forums that rebate prices are horsesh*t (but it's the truth, isnt it?).

I track camera prices daily, as im sure some other folks do. Its always the same "deal" with canon rebates ;D- prices go through the roof , add a rebate to it ???, and you are generally still paying more than you would have the week before. :-[ Many other stores do it with various goods, but how does that make this 'acceptable'? Some of you posters are better off just saying"deal with it", as that's where your rationale is going anyways.

Im a bit off put when i see deals headlines, then look at the prices and wince. Im not going to have a cow about it, but call a spade a spade. These deals are not deals by any stretch of the imagination.

I could care less about canon's MAP, that shouldn't be legal. It is deceptive, as most customers are not privy to the shenanigans and deals between manufacturers and retail. So that argument falls on its face. Sure, we can all be from the informed consumers set, but that still doesn't make it fair nor reasonable to the CONSUMER. And as a consumer, who the f cares how the prices got lower- we should always be looking for that lower price.

So, um, yeah, these rebates...um, yeah...great.... :

PS- I like this site too

 

[Maui5150]

over reacting much?

+1

Those are pretty reasonable deals from arguably the most reputable dealer in the US. I don't see the harm in reporting decent (albeit not great) deals. Especially when many of us are always on the lookout for our next piece of glass.

Again, I got the lower price. That is not what this is about.

Good for you. I got the 85mm f/1.2L II for $1,799 earlier this year, and you don't see me griping about losing confidence in this forum or B&H. It's economics 101... Prices change on a daily basis.

Again, those are fairly reasonable prices, and I'm glad they were posted. Be glad you already got a good deal and leave it at that.

Not one single person is listening to what I am saying. I GOT the lower price. My lens was paid for at the lower price & will arrive Thursday. I found it offensive that the price was marked up, hyped as lower, my post pointing this out was blocked. Do you all work for cr rumors & B&H? Or is there someone else that finds raising prices and advertising it as the best deal offensive?

Run out of Summer's Eve?

Whoop De Doo. So you got a better price... And you didn't.

Secondly, I don't see the 24-70 listed in the lower price list posted on CR. And here is a hint... Sometimes companies only put a FEW items on sale... I just put the lens in my cart and saw $2049. Funny... That is the same price and not more expensive.

The Fish Eye for example is $100 less than other posted prices, and heck that is almost an 8% drop compared to the 2% you are bitching about.

What about the 50 1.2?

Heck, even with the rebate, B&H is $100 less than Canon.

oh year... there is also a 2% reward and free shipping.

 

[wjm]

I saw the headline "new bigger savings from B&H". The lens I purchased yesterday, the 24-70 f2.8 ii is now $2099 vs $2049 I paid yesterday. How is this better??? My attempt at posting this earlier was blocked.

And your previous attempt was probably blocked because some words you used in a very specific way. It happens automatically (the forum moderator doesn't and cannot read all posts). This is to prevent spam and offensive posts. If such post slips through this automatic detection forum members have to report it manually to the moderator (with the link: "report to moderator" which is under each post).

If you used words like "Bigger saving", "B&H" and named various prices in the 'wrong way' it might be flaged as spam. Try make a post with words like "onisac" of "nrop" (but then backwards of course: it will probably blocked right away).

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[rumorzmonger]

We get these same pricing scams from the same dealer every time there's a Canon rebate. Most of us know better, but the OP is obviously new to this...

 

[rumorzmonger]

Re: Open your eyes

You better get used to the fact that CR is not a private hobby anymore. It is a business that wants to make profit. 15k visitors per day according to http://digsitevalue.org/s/canonrumors.com . Advertising is the way to fund such a website. As long as the site can still inform and/or entertain you, it is fine. Just don't be naive and expect somebody else's altruism funding it for you. And yes, it is still you who has to compare prices before you buy.

I hope CR is not making any income from this site, because I couldn't find a copy of their US FTC Disclosure statement anywhere...

 

[Deals Wiz]

I appreciate what Canon Rumors does and all in keeping us updated on Canon happenings, and while I appreciate that CR does need to make money (look at all the ads plastered all over), I have to say that it is your responsibility to check for yourself whenever CR says something "is a deal", especially with Canon and its devious rebate practices.

Just think of it as advertising not unlike the banner ads. If you're okay with the banner ads you should be okay with the paid B&H links. Now it is in CR's right to add these to make his business profitable, but it is in our right to choose to ignore them if we want

If you want to do your deal research and watching I suggest you use a real deal website like www.CanonPriceWatch.com (which will show price history including price increases and drops) or www.Slickdeals.net or use the POTN Market Watch forums.

 

[Random Orbits]

I saw the headline "new bigger savings from B&H". The lens I purchased yesterday, the 24-70 f2.8 ii is now $2099 vs $2049 I paid yesterday. How is this better??? My attempt at posting this earlier was blocked.

There is an ebb and flow to prices. Prices tend to be lowest near Thanksgiving/Christmas/New Year's but there are multiple rebates throughout the year. Take a look at canonpricewatch and you can see the price histories. Know the rules of the game and play accordingly. You can't guarantee getting the lowest price with a given rebate, but at least you'll know how the current price compares with its historical prices. I got my 24-70 II for 1999 by negotiating with an authorized dealer through an Ebay listing through "make an offer" -- go figure!