Is Canon EOS-1S the Name? [CR1]
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People need to understand the price game better.
If Canon charges $9000 for this body, and they might, then it's strictly positioning.
If you're an amateur you want gear to be as good as possible and as cheap as possible. A no brainer.
But if you're a pro?
Let's say that your invested in Canon and that your business is sustaining high end gear. You are charging your clients a premium because you use the good stuff. You market yourself as such. The best gear sets you apart from amateurs.
Would you like that all the latest and greatest equipment become instantly available to every trigger happy "freelancer" out there?
I've heard on numerous occasions that Canon actively sets their better tech apart from entry level stuff by price. Just look at what's out there now. It's especially obvious in their Cinema Line of products.
And it's going to stay that way. Might as well get used to it. Don't have to like it.
If Canon charges $9000 for this body, and they might, then it's strictly positioning.
If you're an amateur you want gear to be as good as possible and as cheap as possible. A no brainer.
But if you're a pro?
Let's say that your invested in Canon and that your business is sustaining high end gear. You are charging your clients a premium because you use the good stuff. You market yourself as such. The best gear sets you apart from amateurs.
Would you like that all the latest and greatest equipment become instantly available to every trigger happy "freelancer" out there?
I've heard on numerous occasions that Canon actively sets their better tech apart from entry level stuff by price. Just look at what's out there now. It's especially obvious in their Cinema Line of products.
And it's going to stay that way. Might as well get used to it. Don't have to like it.
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Canon Rumors said:
sounds very promising if true.
seen many sensor technology improvements from sony, all baby steps but definitely worth applauding
if canon somehow manage to make a big significant leap forward in terms of sensor technology, it would be fantastic
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itsnotmeyouknow said:Woody said:RLPhoto said:9000$? Why not just get a MF system then?
How many lenses are available for MF systems?
Plenty for the Pentax medium format 645D:
I have these:
33 - 55 f/4.5
35 f/3.5
55 AW f/2.8
45 f/2.8
45 - 85 f/4.5
75 f/2.8
55 - 110 f/4.5
80 - 160 f/4.5
200 f/4
120 f/4 macro
400 f/5.6.
There are others too....
Does Pentax offer tethered shooting with the 645D? That was the biggest problem with that camera.
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Landscapes, 5DX,7D,60D,EOSM,D800/E,D810,D7100
Bombsight said:
Don't worry, the actual camera(s) won't be on Retailers shelves to somwhere in mid-term of the new american president. Canon hasn't shown us their ability to announce and actually deliver in quanity any of their top tier gear (like 1DX and the super-tels) for 6 months to 18 months later than the announcement. I wish it wasn't so but they have not shown us this capability recently.
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Bombsight said:
This frustrats me....the 1dx is the flagship for spots action and events! This will be the studio flagship, both types of shooting have different needs and thus the bodies will be spec'ed in a different way (It will be some time before you have a studio quality body that has high MP and high fps and outstanding high ISO performance). If your a sports shooter then go 1dx. If you a slow shooter and wanting outstanding IQ between ISO 50-400 then this new beast may be for you!
And don't forget and don't get all pissy, but it makes sense to intro this in the flagship. I brought it up before, look at the announcement for the 1dx - and when it was actually available - vs when the 5d3 was announced and available. The tech was shared (sensor, AF), but the 5d3 body was easier to mass produce, thus that made its way to the market first. I'd guess we'll see something similar here (maybe already in process, I have been wondering if the new 6d sensor is partly based on this new sensor). Either was...If this is the 1S, then we'll probably see a 5s (at closer to d800 prices) announced in the spring and available by summer....
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This is still just a testing the water rumor mill stuff, altho plausible.
Canon's certainly aware that, altho Nikon's D800 is a serious bit of kit, they still have only hinted at what a D4x could be by the time it's released. A D4x series camera is what this new Canon would be competing with.
Nikon has the technology NOW to make an even higher MP FF body (54MP) with better performance than anything Canon could build at this time. They also have the option of building a high performance FF body anywhere between 36 and 54MP to select a balance of noise vs DR and speed.
Canon would have to make HUGE improvements in their low ISO read noise issues to even be competitive with Nikon's currently shipping products. Let's hope they finally accomplish this and install it into bodies the rest of us can afford next year.
This is a bit like a chess game, two major players are prepping their flagship, high MP, FF cameras for release to an eager but highly critical market. Whomever outs their product first risks being leap-frogged by the one who waits. And there's more than sales at stake here, this is bragging rights for the next few years based on product release cycles. The marketing results of which will greatly affect sales of all lower end products where the real meat of profits are realized.
So, altho these new high MP bodies are going to cause some concern to medium format digital mfrs, this is really going to be a boon for all of us who rely on more mainstream gear when the technology finally finds its way down to Canon's prosumer/enthusiast equipment. Nikon shooters have been enjoying the fruits of that tech improvement for a couple years now.
This is even more interesting than watching US election runups!
Canon's certainly aware that, altho Nikon's D800 is a serious bit of kit, they still have only hinted at what a D4x could be by the time it's released. A D4x series camera is what this new Canon would be competing with.
Nikon has the technology NOW to make an even higher MP FF body (54MP) with better performance than anything Canon could build at this time. They also have the option of building a high performance FF body anywhere between 36 and 54MP to select a balance of noise vs DR and speed.
Canon would have to make HUGE improvements in their low ISO read noise issues to even be competitive with Nikon's currently shipping products. Let's hope they finally accomplish this and install it into bodies the rest of us can afford next year.
This is a bit like a chess game, two major players are prepping their flagship, high MP, FF cameras for release to an eager but highly critical market. Whomever outs their product first risks being leap-frogged by the one who waits. And there's more than sales at stake here, this is bragging rights for the next few years based on product release cycles. The marketing results of which will greatly affect sales of all lower end products where the real meat of profits are realized.
So, altho these new high MP bodies are going to cause some concern to medium format digital mfrs, this is really going to be a boon for all of us who rely on more mainstream gear when the technology finally finds its way down to Canon's prosumer/enthusiast equipment. Nikon shooters have been enjoying the fruits of that tech improvement for a couple years now.
This is even more interesting than watching US election runups!
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I was expecting Canon not to compete directly against the D800, this is something manufacturers tend not to do. This new sensor tech sounds interesting, think we'll see that in the new APS-C cameras too - more intriguing to most people, who can't shell 9000$.
It's all very stupid though if they plan to use it in the 5D4 in the years to come. By that time the competitors will have something new again, so Canon will keep being a whole generation behind them. Sony and Samsung have a lot more $$$ to invest on R&D, let's not forget that.
It's all very stupid though if they plan to use it in the 5D4 in the years to come. By that time the competitors will have something new again, so Canon will keep being a whole generation behind them. Sony and Samsung have a lot more $$$ to invest on R&D, let's not forget that.
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RLPhoto said:9000$? Why not just get a MF system then?
because it will be able to focus properly , have a decent iso, and shoot at a decent rate.
i own medium format with a p65+ (owned a lot of different systems of medium format over the years) and i am eagerly waiting for an easier to use system. i hope the canon is it.
paul
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Woody said:
+1
($9000 for perhaps same performance as a D800 other than a few more MP does seem a bit of a slow seller, but so long as it means the 5D4 and all will have great sensors I suppose it is good since it would give hope, even if it seems like a lemon, of sorts, itself)
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9K to compete, what a joke, Canon really are a big monopoly, I dont think I can last much longer, Ive wanted something better than the 5D2 for ages, and the 1DX is too expensive, I own a 5D3 but its not the advancement I was wishing for, its a great camera, but was always hoping for a camera imbetween 5D and 1D, this is never going to happen
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Tayvin said:itsnotmeyouknow said:Woody said:RLPhoto said:9000$? Why not just get a MF system then?
How many lenses are available for MF systems?
Plenty for the Pentax medium format 645D:
I have these:
33 - 55 f/4.5
35 f/3.5
55 AW f/2.8
45 f/2.8
45 - 85 f/4.5
75 f/2.8
55 - 110 f/4.5
80 - 160 f/4.5
200 f/4
120 f/4 macro
400 f/5.6.
There are others too....
Does Pentax offer tethered shooting with the 645D? That was the biggest problem with that camera.
Pentax has been late to the party on this one, but apparently it is now offered:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-medium-format-645-6x7-645d/195346-first-look-pentax-official-tethering-software-645d.html
Personally I bought it for landscape which was largely how it was marketed from the beginning as a medium format camera for landscape photographers.
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