It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

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The R1 is 1/200 mechanical
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which was actually a little step back compared to the Canon EOS-1D X Mark III.
But no matter if it tells anything about sensor readout speed or not, mechanical flash sync at 1/320s is definetely fast :-)
(The fastest mechanical shutter sync speed I have seen, must be 1/400s with the Sony A1).
 
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Stig Nygaard said:
which was actually a little step back compared to the Canon EOS-1D X Mark III.
But no matter if it tells anything about sensor readout speed or not, mechanical flash sync at 1/320s is definetely fast :-)
(The fastest mechanical shutter sync speed I have seen, must be 1/400s with the Sony A1).
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This is the last generation of full-frame cameras that will have mechanical shutters, they know no one wants to use them anymore, hence the constant race for faster CMOS sensors, and eventually global shutter once they get the IQ where they want it. They're there for the comfort zone. Put the R&D into the electronic.
 
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This is the last generation of full-frame cameras that will have mechanical shutters, they know no one wants to use them anymore, hence the constant race for faster CMOS sensors, and eventually global shutter once they get the IQ where they want it. They're there for the comfort zone. Put the R&D into the electronic.
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I've noticed you are very keen on killing the mechanical shutter. But I don't think it will go as fast as you think. Only with the fastest stacked sensors (or global shutter) you can get flash sync with electronic shutter. And I don't think we are there yet, where we can call "ordinary" (non-stacked) CMOS sensors for dead. They will be around for some more time.
 
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I doubt there will be any synchronization with the electronic shutter. In Nikon Z6III it is 1/60. In the R6 Mark II, the electronic curtian speed is very similar to both C50/R6III and Z6III, but there is no synchro. Usually, even if the shutter is fast enough, synchronization appears when the sensor is "stacked" or "partially stacked".
"This is the last generation of full-frame cameras that will have mechanical shutters" - No, not the last. Maybe second-to-last, but I doubt the next generation will have fast enough sensors for that. In the $3,500-$4,000 class, yes, no problem, that's already there, at least for Nikon and Canon. But in the $1,500-$2,500 class, I don't think so. Also Canon still has an image quality penalty for its electronic shutter, even in their fastest cameras like R5II, R1 and R3. They need to solve this issue. That Sony sensor that S1II and Z6III use, also has some penalty. I think a sync speed of at least 1/180 is needed to get rid of the mechanical shutter. I doubt they'll triple that 1/60 in a single generation. I also doubt they'll just give top-end stacked sensors to $2000 class. To do this, they need to come up with something cool for the $3,500-$4,000 segment, and I doubt they have anything.
In fact, I would be happy if in the next generation they slowed down a bit in their rush to make sensors faster and tried to restore the image quality that they sacrificed in this race.
 
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Stig Nygaard said:
I've noticed you are very keen on killing the mechanical shutter. But I don't think it will go as fast as you think. Only with the fastest stacked sensors (or global shutter) you can get flash sync with electronic shutter. And I don't think we are there yet, where we can call "ordinary" (non-stacked) CMOS sensors for dead. They will be around for some more time.
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I am, I've never used it once with the R1 (Pro basketball). Nikon has done just fine without one. I mean, there will always be Luddites... that's cool. Stick with a mechanical shutter, the rest of the world will move on. It's the same thing over and over.... when mirrorless happened... "OMG, I'll never use a camera without an OVF!"....... rinse and repeat. Sony proved everyone wrong, I was proven wrong.

I got dragged through the mud when I spent a year telling people EOS M was over...... I'm not patting myself on the back, but these are things that if you don't see it? .............

There are still a ton of professional 1D series shooters (I know 3 that shoot pro basketball) out there that haven't yet moved over. They want those people, so give them comfort and something that they trust, which is a different strategy than what Nikon went with. Nikon's market share loss was due to video and the younger demographic, not due to their legacy photography customers.

Some of them will come over and "dabble" with an affordable camera like a 6-series, some want to see what 45mp is all about..... This all simple, it's the natural progression that has gone on for decades in nearly every industry on earth (Old school distilleries and cigar makers haven't moved much, which is great).

Remember the film shooters that would never shoot digital? Those were fun times!
 
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Years ago, I thinked that R mount was a technical move; now I think it was only a piece of marketing.
Canon R mount is still closed, so best move is buy a Sony camera (or other brand) and enjoy lenses from others manufacturers.
In 2025 there is no way in a thing SO CLOSED as R mount.
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Thank you for sharing your opinion with us. I'm sure we all appreciate it.
 
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Toni said:
Years ago, I thinked that R mount was a technical move; now I think it was only a piece of marketing.
Canon R mount is still closed, so best move is buy a Sony camera (or other brand) and enjoy lenses from others manufacturers.
In 2025 there is no way in a thing SO CLOSED as R mount.
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I am enjoying my Canon lenses, thank you. No need for 15 different 85mm 1.8 variants.
 
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I am, I've never used it once with the R1 (Pro basketball). Nikon has done just fine without one. I mean, there will always be Luddites... that's cool. Stick with a mechanical shutter, the rest of the world will move on. It's the same thing over and over.... when mirrorless happened... "OMG, I'll never use a camera without an OVF!"....... rinse and repeat. Sony proved everyone wrong, I was proven wrong.

I got dragged through the mud when I spent a year telling people EOS M was over...... I'm not patting myself on the back, but these are things that if you don't see it? .............

There are still a ton of professional 1D series shooters (I know 3 that shoot pro basketball) out there that haven't yet moved over. They want those people, so give them comfort and something that they trust, which is a different strategy than what Nikon went with. Nikon's market share loss was due to video and the younger demographic, not due to their legacy photography customers.

Some of them will come over and "dabble" with an affordable camera like a 6-series, some want to see what 45mp is all about..... This all simple, it's the natural progression that has gone on for decades in nearly every industry on earth (Old school distilleries and cigar makers haven't moved much, which is great).

Remember the film shooters that would never shoot digital? Those were fun times!
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Now you are assuming I have opinions I don't have.

Take EOS M for example. Right from the start I saw the missing "forward compatibility" with any future full frame mount, and warned friends about investing in the system. It was to me obviously a temporary system to get some experience with mirrorless until Canon, Canon's users and the technology was ready for Canon to do the jump on there main (and professional) system.

I also don't believe - as many others do - that Canon and Nikon didn't believe in mirrorless until "Sony proved them wrong". Sony was in a completely differen't situation than Canon and Nikon. Sony went for the first-movers. People who were ready to buy new technology because they knew it was the road of the future, even if it not nescesarely was better cameras in practice yet. At least not in every way. Mirrorless offered some advantages, but also some disadvantages. But Sony could move first because they didn't have same big group of professional users who would be unhappy - probably very angry actually - to be "forced" to leave existing system (no support/development on old system) to change to a system that wasn't mature and with technology offering more advanteges than disadvantages for most users. Canon or Nikon had to mature their technology and prepare their move very thoroughly. And yes, when Canon introduced the EOS R body, it was probably not the camera they had dreamt of. But I'm sure they knew the technology they soon would have ready, and which became cameras like R6 and R5.

Personally I also never had doubt mirrorlress was they way forward. And if I was new to photography, mirrorless would have been the only right thing to invest in a couple of years before I actually made the move myself. Because it would be stupid to start building up a new DSLR system. But it wasn't until R5/R6 and there advanced animal eye AF that I saw the advantages of mirrorless becoming big enough that it started to be interesting to make the move from an existing DSLR system. And it wasn't until Canon released the APS-C R7 body, that they also made the camera I wanted. I was lucky it was Canon, so I could keep my existing lenses. I guess it could easily had been a Sony or Nikon camera instead at that point. But I never regret waiting to make the move, I saw no advantage in doing it before.

So don't pretend to say I'm a stuborn conservative photographer who don't want new technology. I love the technology developments. I'm a tech nerd following all the developments. But I'm also a photographer that just want the equipment that serves me best. And of course electronic shutters is the future. And I'm not saying that I don't want mechanical shutters to disappear. I just say I don't believe it happens so quick as you think. At least not for all. If Canon put a very fast stacked sensor in an R7 II, I might soon be one who soon solely use electronic shutter. But not every camera will be like that tomorrow.
 
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Now you are assuming I have opinions I don't have.

Take EOS M for example. Right from the start I saw the missing "forward compatibility" with any future full frame mount, and warned friends about investing in the system. It was to me obviously a temporary system to get some experience with mirrorless until Canon, Canon's users and the technology was ready to do the jump on there main (and professional) system.

I also don't believe - as many others do - that Canon and Nikon didn't believe in mirrorless until "Sony proved them wrong". Sony was in a completely differen't situation than Canon and Nikon. Sony went for the first-movers. People who were ready to buy new technology because they knew it was the road of the future, even if it not nescesarely was better cameras in practice yet. At least not in every way. Mirrorless offered some advantages, but also some disadvantages. But Sony could move first because the didn't have same big group of professional users who would be unhappy - probably very angry actually - to be "forced" to leave existing system (no support/development on old system) to change to a system that wasn't mature and with technology offering more advanteges than disadvantages for most users. Canon or Nikon had to mature their technology and prepare their move very thoroughly. And yes, when Canon introduced the EOS R body, it was probably not the camera they had dreamt of. But I'm sure the knew the technology they soon would have ready, and which became cameras like R6 and R5.

Personally I also never had doubt mirrorlress was they way forward. And if I was new to photography, mirrorless would have been the only right thing to invest in a couple of years before I actually made the move myself. Beecause it would be stupid to build up a new DSLR system. But it wasn't until R5/R6 and there advanced animal eye AF that I saw the advantages of mirrorless becoming big enough that it started to be interesting to make the move from an existing DSLR system. And it wasn't until Canon released the APS-C R7 body, that they also made the camera I wanted. I was lucky it was Canon, so I could keep my existing lenses. I guess it could easily had been a Sony or Nikon camera instead at that point. But I never regret waiting to make the move, I saw no advantages in doing it before.

So don't pretend to say I'm a stuborn conservative photographer who don't want new technology. I love the technology developments. I'm a tech nerd following all the developments. But I'm also a photographer that just want the equipment that serves me best. And of course electronic shutters is the future. And I'm not saying that I don't want mechanical shutters to disappear. I just say I don't believe it happens so quick as you think. At least not for all. If Canon put a very fast stacked sensor in an R7 II, I might be one who soon solely use electronic shutter. But not every camera will be like that tomorrow.
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I never said you were a "stubborn conservative photographer"..... You're just being verbose.
 
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I much prefer the resolution on the R6ii due to its fantastic noise, dynamic range, and bit depth. The best thing about the R6iii is that it will make the R6ii even cheaper. 24mp is a real sweet spot, and as an owner of an R5, 90% of shots don't benefit from all those pixels.
 
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