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Please, let's stop bad-mouthing Ken and for sure stop bad-mouthing people who mention him - that's just plain ridiculous. If you don't like his opinions, then either say why, or don't comment. It's as simple as that. Everyone has a right to an opinion, even Mr Rockwell.
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It comes from a 5DmII perspective, and of course he's got a bunch of other toys he has played with. I am surprised by his AF comments given how legendary the crappy AF is on the 5DmII - sounds like learning curve on his part,
But if you are coming from a 7D because you could not see buying a four-year old last generation FF, I am delighted about the new generation 5DmIII. And the camera feels very familiar control wise. And my pix are far less noisy - I find it funny that the 7D quality was snorted at for the past few years (and it was deserved) and now D800 folks are using it as a fine example.
Must be the price. That $499+ has somehow turned the 5DmIII into a Kodak Instamatic for some critics.
But if you are coming from a 7D because you could not see buying a four-year old last generation FF, I am delighted about the new generation 5DmIII. And the camera feels very familiar control wise. And my pix are far less noisy - I find it funny that the 7D quality was snorted at for the past few years (and it was deserved) and now D800 folks are using it as a fine example.
Must be the price. That $499+ has somehow turned the 5DmIII into a Kodak Instamatic for some critics.
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OK, enough of the Ken stuff already. But getting to brass tacks, and given that I will almost certainly be getting a 5D3 in the coming months, do his concerns hold any water? What's the answer to the following for example:
"I'm still trying to learn the extremely complex AF system of the 5D Mark III. I still can't figure out a fast (one-click maximum) way to get from the auto-AF area select mode to a single selected area. I always shoot letting the camera select the AF point, and need instant override to select the point if the camera can't do it itself. Right now, I have to press the Mark III's [-|-] button and then press the M-Fn button a few times, an then move the thumb button, which is completely unacceptable unless I can find a faster way."
"I'm still trying to learn the extremely complex AF system of the 5D Mark III. I still can't figure out a fast (one-click maximum) way to get from the auto-AF area select mode to a single selected area. I always shoot letting the camera select the AF point, and need instant override to select the point if the camera can't do it itself. Right now, I have to press the Mark III's [-|-] button and then press the M-Fn button a few times, an then move the thumb button, which is completely unacceptable unless I can find a faster way."
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ken "support my growing family" rockwell has some nice opinions.
and every day they change.
it depends on what article you read if image stabilization, tripods, film, more megapixel etc. is either useless or the best thing since sliced bread.
i bet in 2 month he will write how great the 5D MK3 AF is.
and every day they change.
it depends on what article you read if image stabilization, tripods, film, more megapixel etc. is either useless or the best thing since sliced bread.
i bet in 2 month he will write how great the 5D MK3 AF is.
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He lost me when he was griping about the AF speed in full auto af mode, which is proving to be one of the worst AF setting the camera (or the 7d) has... and then he glosses over the speed when you choose spot or any other mode. Then he says he has to take his eyes off just to change AF mode settings... once you got the multicontroller activated, 1 click (or multiple clicks depending how you look at it) on the Multifunction button cycles through your AF modes, just like the 7d... it's not that hard. Oh well he's good for entertainment i suppose.
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He does praise the 5D MK2 as being better than any Nikon camera until the D800 
I wouldn't go that far but I agree, bad-mouthing someone on a forum is cheap.
If you don't like him, don't read his stuff.
I'll add one extra point he missed (coming from Nikons), how the hell is one supposed to change settings easily on the 5D MK2/3?
On a Nikon the function buttons are mostly engaged with the left hand and adjusted with one of two right thumb wheels.
Cannon seems to have a bank of function buttons on the right and the wheel mounted on the right in front?
I cannot for the life of me understand the ergonomics of this.
I have to set the camera on my lap and use both hands on the right hand side.
Am I missing something?
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I wouldn't go that far but I agree, bad-mouthing someone on a forum is cheap.
If you don't like him, don't read his stuff.
I'll add one extra point he missed (coming from Nikons), how the hell is one supposed to change settings easily on the 5D MK2/3?
On a Nikon the function buttons are mostly engaged with the left hand and adjusted with one of two right thumb wheels.
Cannon seems to have a bank of function buttons on the right and the wheel mounted on the right in front?
I cannot for the life of me understand the ergonomics of this.
I have to set the camera on my lap and use both hands on the right hand side.
Am I missing something?
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nikkito said:
The AF mode he's mentioning, the full auto, is a bad setting meant for beginners.... Basically your asking a camera to read the scene, and read your mind as to which of the 61 AF points you wish for the camera to make in focus... The 7d, which has the same mode style AF system was just as bad, and had 2 processors, just like the 1dx, but digic 4 processors... Once you tell the AF hey, evaluate only this sensor or this zone area of 12 sensors, it computes it that much quicker... The AF isn't slow... it's the same AF module as the 1dx, it's just got that much more to process and gets the blame when it doesn't read your mind correctly.
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BillyBean said:
His concerns seem, to me, to be incapable of holding even hot air.
But for this particular brass tack, I don't have a 5DIII, but on my 7D and 5DII if the camera happens to be in automatic AF point selection mode (which it never is, because the 'mind-reading AF selection mode' hasn't been invented yet), pressing the multi-controller straight in changes to manual selection of the center AF point, and then it can be moved from there. KR implies that can't be done with the 5DIII, but the manual seems to indicate he's mistaken (about a great many things, cue Emporer's voice from Star Wars). Alternatively, you can register an AF point, and assign a button to that function.
A couple of my favorite points from KR's...ummm...review (and I use the term very loosely):
"If it was significantly different, Canon would have given it a new model number, instead of a "mark" appellation." Right, because KR didn't say the 5DII was far better than the original 5D (oh, wait, he did).
"AF is much more complicated, not necessary better than the original 5D and 5D Mark II." Ummmm, ok, sure...it's no better than the 5D's AF. By extension, neither is the AF of the 1D X. Ok, Ken, fine.
...and my personal favorite:
"Foolish RATE Button Clutter" A Nikon shooter, complaining about 'button clutter' on a Canon camera. I actually LOL'd when I read that heading line...
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EvilTed said:
No, he's a self-described Nikon fan, who also happens to shoot with Canon and Leica cameras on occasion, the better to increase the number of hits on his website, the better to make money. Nothing wrong with that, but it's important to recognize the motivation.
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You've heard the phrase, "Damning with faint praise," haven't you?
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EvilTed said:
You must have missed his original pre-release version he had with the camera before he deleted it and made the full review in it's place... he originally slammed the 5d2, saying it smeared details, the NR was cooking the details away from the scene, the D700 was far and away superior yada yada yada... after reading that, and having a good glimpse of my budget at that time, I decided against buying the 5d2 upon first release... it was only afterwards I got a good glimpse of his reputation, and once he changed his review, and upon recommendations from neuro and many others, I decided to get the 5d2 temporarily until I could get the 5d3. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has a revised review in a year or two once the camera goes mainstream and starts getting accolades.
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Kens reputation is well known by most photographers. Quoting him is going to bring on warning comments and should. It is similar to those saying oh, look at tscamcamera store, they have a 1D x in stock for $500.
At least, he does post a warning that it is all for fun, and you should not take his posts seriously.
From his site
"Apparently the world finds my opinions very useful, but remember, they are the opinions of one man. I have a big sense of humor, and do this site to entertain you (and myself), as well as to inform and to educate. I occasionally weave fiction and satire into my stories to keep them interesting. I love a good hoax. "
At least, he does post a warning that it is all for fun, and you should not take his posts seriously.
From his site
"Apparently the world finds my opinions very useful, but remember, they are the opinions of one man. I have a big sense of humor, and do this site to entertain you (and myself), as well as to inform and to educate. I occasionally weave fiction and satire into my stories to keep them interesting. I love a good hoax. "
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he watermarks productshots clearly taken by the manufacturer with his tag.
something i would never do.
and he is to blame that many beginners crank up the saturation to redicilous amounts.
http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/04/20/why-photographer-ken-rockwell-is-wrong-wrong-wrong-about-using-vivid-color-settings/
something i would never do.
and he is to blame that many beginners crank up the saturation to redicilous amounts.
http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/04/20/why-photographer-ken-rockwell-is-wrong-wrong-wrong-about-using-vivid-color-settings/
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