Lee Filters Announces EF 11-24mm f/4L Support

[Sabaki]

Sorry pcho,

I have no first hand experience with Nisi yet, and like I say I am not too interested in following through with them until they make both the 11-24 and the TS-E17 for the 180 system, and then I'll only get the CPL.

But if you get one please leave some feedback, I am sure there are a few people out there interested, there certainly were when I was an early adopter on the Wonderpana because it allowed so much more movement than the Lee solution did even though it uses a smaller filter.

Have a look at a hands on video review of the Nisi System by Dewald Kirsten. He's not a fan and much prefers the Lee system.

He mentions that they scratch easily and do not slide very easily into the holder.

 

[ahsanford]

Sorry pcho,

I have no first hand experience with Nisi yet, and like I say I am not too interested in following through with them until they make both the 11-24 and the TS-E17 for the 180 system, and then I'll only get the CPL.

But if you get one please leave some feedback, I am sure there are a few people out there interested, there certainly were when I was an early adopter on the Wonderpana because it allowed so much more movement than the Lee solution did even though it uses a smaller filter.

Have a look at a hands on video review of the Nisi System by Dewald Kirsten. He's not a fan and much prefers the Lee system.

He mentions that they scratch easily and do not slide very easily into the holder.

People say these sort of products shouldn't cost so much, they opt for a cheaper system and then hate the results. Scratching, reflections, inability to modify the height of the stack (i.e. number of slots), too much filter grab, too little filter grab, the inability to rotate a CPL independently of your ND Grads, etc.

My advice is to pay Lee or Wonderpana (when an 11-24 solution comes out) whatever they want.

Lee. just. works. No alarms and no surprises. Other than it being a bit piece-y when you want to add/substract slots, I've got no complaints with it.

- A

 

[privatebydesign]

Sorry pcho,

I have no first hand experience with Nisi yet, and like I say I am not too interested in following through with them until they make both the 11-24 and the TS-E17 for the 180 system, and then I'll only get the CPL.

But if you get one please leave some feedback, I am sure there are a few people out there interested, there certainly were when I was an early adopter on the Wonderpana because it allowed so much more movement than the Lee solution did even though it uses a smaller filter.

Have a look at a hands on video review of the Nisi System by Dewald Kirsten. He's not a fan and much prefers the Lee system.

He mentions that they scratch easily and do not slide very easily into the holder.

I am watching it now, thanks for the pointer.

Link here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3WnNIoen-0

Sorry pcho,

I have no first hand experience with Nisi yet, and like I say I am not too interested in following through with them until they make both the 11-24 and the TS-E17 for the 180 system, and then I'll only get the CPL.

But if you get one please leave some feedback, I am sure there are a few people out there interested, there certainly were when I was an early adopter on the Wonderpana because it allowed so much more movement than the Lee solution did even though it uses a smaller filter.

Have a look at a hands on video review of the Nisi System by Dewald Kirsten. He's not a fan and much prefers the Lee system.

He mentions that they scratch easily and do not slide very easily into the holder.

People say these sort of products shouldn't cost so much, they opt for a cheaper system and then hate the results. Scratching, reflections, inability to modify the height of the stack (i.e. number of slots), too much filter grab, too little filter grab, the inability to rotate a CPL independently of your ND Grads, etc.

My advice is to pay Lee or Wonderpana (when an 11-24 solution comes out) whatever they want.

Lee. just. works. No alarms and no surprises. Other than it being a bit piece-y when you want to add/substract slots, I've got no complaints with it.

- A

Apart from the fact that on the TS-E 17 and the 11-24. Lee .Just. Doesn't. Work. Unless you can accept the fundamental compromises of paying for an 11mm lens and only being able to use 12.5mm or 13.5mm. I can't accept those compromises so have zero interest in the Lee 'solution' to the 11-24 problem.

 

[ahsanford]

Apart from the fact that on the TS-E 17 and the 11-24. Lee .Just. Doesn't. Work. Unless you can accept the fundamental compromises of paying for an 11mm lens and only being able to use 12.5mm or 13.5mm. I can't accept those compromises so have zero interest in the Lee 'solution' to the 11-24 problem.

To get 11mm that holder and its filters will be comically large and likely expressly made for that size (i.e. $$$$).

But if that's what you need, here are your options:

• Wait for Wonderpana's offering and hope they go down to 11mm
• Roll the dice on the NiSi offering
• Buy a 3D printed simple solution -- this guy got a lot of press for making a cheaper-than-Lee option for the Nikkor 14-24, and it looks like he's made the same for 11-24. (Looks like there are some filter weight caveats from what I've translated at Google)
• Go DIY and do it yourself

- A

 

[privatebydesign]

Apart from the fact that on the TS-E 17 and the 11-24. Lee .Just. Doesn't. Work. Unless you can accept the fundamental compromises of paying for an 11mm lens and only being able to use 12.5mm or 13.5mm. I can't accept those compromises so have zero interest in the Lee 'solution' to the 11-24 problem.

To get 11mm that holder and its filters will be comically large and likely expressly made for that size (i.e. $$$$).

But if that's what you need, here are your options:

• Wait for Wonderpana's offering and hope they go down to 11mm
• Roll the dice on the NiSi offering
• Buy a 3D printed simple solution -- this guy got a lot of press for making a cheaper-than-Lee option for the Nikkor 14-24, and it looks like he's made the same for 11-24. (Looks like there are some filter weight caveats from what I've translated at Google)
• Go DIY and do it yourself

- A

The size is not the point, the point is it is difficult to buy into the expense of the lens with its unique focal length and not be able to use it, it is akin to buying an f1.2 prime and using an accessory that limits if to f2.8.

The Nisi doesn't vignette with the 180 system, and 180 isn't that much bigger than the 145/150 compromised 'solutions' offered so far.

Like I say each user will find a compromise that best suits their own needs and current gear, I see no point in buying an 11mm lens and not being able to use it. The only reason I bought into the Wonderpana was because it gave me full functionality with the TS-E17, I won't buy into an 11-24 system unless I also have full functionality, but that s my prerogative.

 

[ahsanford]

The size is not the point, the point is it is difficult to buy into the expense of the lens with its unique focal length and not be able to use it, it is akin to buying an f1.2 prime and using an accessory that limits if to f2.8.

The Nisi doesn't vignette with the 180 system, and 180 isn't that much bigger than the 145/150 compromised 'solutions' offered so far.

Like I say each user will find a compromise that best suits their own needs and current gear, I see no point in buying an 11mm lens and not being able to use it. The only reason I bought into the Wonderpana was because it gave me full functionality with the TS-E17, I won't buy into an 11-24 system unless I also have full functionality, but that s my prerogative.

I hear you. Again, refer to my list -- I think those are your options.

You might consider reaching out to the e-mail address of the German person making these (looks like they write in English as well). Perhaps your Wonderpana filters might fit into that holder?

Looks like he/she had to resort to a third clip to manage the weight/hold of a larger filter, so I think you'd be limited to a polarizer or a solid ND -- an ND grad would be problematic with that third clip, I'd think, but it might be removable.

- A

 

[jeffa4444]

I can see the need for filtering in some situations. BUT ... this is no solution, it is a bad joke.

Why do UWA lenses with bulbous front elements not all come standard with a rear filter slot? That would be the only acceptable solution for me rather than those homungous contraptions in front of the lens. Rear filter would be so much easier, less cumbersome in the field and less expensive.

Remove the lens and switch rear filters around sand, wind and saltwater? You could only use one filter and you could not adjust them up down for the horizon, plus they are not the best quality and very brittle.

Rear filtering can also create focus shift

 

[AvTvM]

Rear filtering can also create focus shift

Oh my god!
Front filtering can create all sorts of unwanted effects. Vignetting, ghosting, reflections ... the full gamut.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Apart from the fact that on the TS-E 17 and the 11-24. Lee .Just. Doesn't. Work. Unless you can accept the fundamental compromises of paying for an 11mm lens and only being able to use 12.5mm or 13.5mm. I can't accept those compromises so have zero interest in the Lee 'solution' to the 11-24 problem.

To get 11mm that holder and its filters will be comically large and likely expressly made for that size (i.e. $$$$).

But if that's what you need, here are your options:

• Wait for Wonderpana's offering and hope they go down to 11mm
• Roll the dice on the NiSi offering
• Buy a 3D printed simple solution -- this guy got a lot of press for making a cheaper-than-Lee option for the Nikkor 14-24, and it looks like he's made the same for 11-24. (Looks like there are some filter weight caveats from what I've translated at Google)
• Go DIY and do it yourself

- A

The size is not the point, the point is it is difficult to buy into the expense of the lens with its unique focal length and not be able to use it, it is akin to buying an f1.2 prime and using an accessory that limits if to f2.8.

The Nisi doesn't vignette with the 180 system, and 180 isn't that much bigger than the 145/150 compromised 'solutions' offered so far.

Like I say each user will find a compromise that best suits their own needs and current gear, I see no point in buying an 11mm lens and not being able to use it. The only reason I bought into the Wonderpana was because it gave me full functionality with the TS-E17, I won't buy into an 11-24 system unless I also have full functionality, but that s my prerogative.

I really like the idea of the 11-24mm L, but the cost is prohibitive for me. Especially considering that I have a TS-3 17L which can be pano-shifted to a wider angle of view. While I can see the attraction of a 11-24L mated to a 5D3S, I get great results with my 5DIII and TE-e 17L.

 

[privatebydesign]

Apart from the fact that on the TS-E 17 and the 11-24. Lee .Just. Doesn't. Work. Unless you can accept the fundamental compromises of paying for an 11mm lens and only being able to use 12.5mm or 13.5mm. I can't accept those compromises so have zero interest in the Lee 'solution' to the 11-24 problem.

To get 11mm that holder and its filters will be comically large and likely expressly made for that size (i.e. $$$$).

But if that's what you need, here are your options:

• Wait for Wonderpana's offering and hope they go down to 11mm
• Roll the dice on the NiSi offering
• Buy a 3D printed simple solution -- this guy got a lot of press for making a cheaper-than-Lee option for the Nikkor 14-24, and it looks like he's made the same for 11-24. (Looks like there are some filter weight caveats from what I've translated at Google)
• Go DIY and do it yourself

- A

The size is not the point, the point is it is difficult to buy into the expense of the lens with its unique focal length and not be able to use it, it is akin to buying an f1.2 prime and using an accessory that limits if to f2.8.

The Nisi doesn't vignette with the 180 system, and 180 isn't that much bigger than the 145/150 compromised 'solutions' offered so far.

Like I say each user will find a compromise that best suits their own needs and current gear, I see no point in buying an 11mm lens and not being able to use it. The only reason I bought into the Wonderpana was because it gave me full functionality with the TS-E17, I won't buy into an 11-24 system unless I also have full functionality, but that s my prerogative.

I really like the idea of the 11-24mm L, but the cost is prohibitive for me. Especially considering that I have a TS-3 17L which can be pano-shifted to a wider angle of view. While I can see the attraction of a 11-24L mated to a 5D3S, I get great results with my 5DIII and TE-e 17L.

Whilst it is true that two shifted and stitched TS-E17 images gve you a wider fov than the 11mm, it is worth pointing out that the projection distortion makes the edges pretty mushy, and the 11mm has much better corner IQ.

I am lucky and have both, and whilst the TS-E17 dose have its unique uses the 11-24 is proving much more useful generally.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

Semi spherical filters would be a neat solution for this lens, if there is a little room between the front glass and the lens hood. I like that idea.

Also, I think an ND filter could be used at 11mm on this lens with the current holder if Lee made a rectangular solid ND filter kit. You could turn the filter holder sideways so the slots are positioned along the long sides of the imaging area where the AOV is less.

With that said though, I've found that the more advanced I get with my landscape photography, the less I need any filters at all for any of my work. I've had great success with averaging multiple shots together to get long exposure effects without ND filters.

 

[privatebydesign]

Semi spherical filters would be a neat solution for this lens, if there is a little room between the front glass and the lens hood. I like that idea.

Also, I think an ND filter could be used at 11mm on this lens with the current holder if Lee made a rectangular solid ND filter kit. You could turn the filter holder sideways so the slots are positioned along the long sides of the imaging area where the AOV is less.

With that said though, I've found that the more advanced I get with my landscape photography, the less I need any filters at all for any of my work. I've had great success with averaging multiple shots together to get long exposure effects without ND filters.

I doubt if curved filters would work on anything, surely they, and the air gap, just become another element and throw everything else off? I know that is a major issue with underwater housings with curved fronts.

As for needing filters, I agree, there is less and less need for them in many situations. My only interest is in CPL's for which there is no software fix.

 

[timo]

Hi Everyone and congratulations on this great forum !

Just came across this topic and thought I'd reply on it with a question regarding the purchase of a filter system for the range of lenses I am using. I have done quite some research and it seems that there is no single solution to be applied on all lenses. But maybe you can prove me wrong and make me happy !

My question is: Is there a way in buying a set of Lee 150mm filters and get them to work on all the lenses mentioned below ? My idea is to only buy 150s (instead of 150mm plus 100mm) as they seem to be working best with the TS17 (no shift restrictions with the WonderPana) and the 11-24.

Here's what's attached to my 5DsR:
-TS-E 17
-TS-E 24II
-TS-E 90
-TS-35 FD (EdMika converted).
-11-24 f4 (planned)
- Pentax67 55mm lens on a ZÖRK Shift adapter (parcel to arrive soon).

It would already be great to find a single solution for both, the TS-E 17 and TS-E 24,
as these are the lenses I am using most of the time.
But a dream would come true if, with the help of adapters, I would only have to buy a set of 150mm filters and make them work for all lenses.

Any ideas ?

Best wishes from Berlin !

 

[ahsanford]

My question is: Is there a way in buying a set of Lee 150mm filters and get them to work on all the lenses mentioned below ?

Here's what's attached to my 5DsR:
-TS-E 17
-TS-E 24II
-TS-E 90
-TS-35 FD (EdMika converted).
-11-24 f4 (planned)
- Pentax67 55mm lens on a ZÖRK Shift adapter (parcel to arrive soon).

Pretty simple -- the 11-24 is your weakest link for front filtering. From Lee's Website (if you go with the 150mm filters on their SW150 II system):

Canon EF 11-24mm: Please note that due to the physical size of this lens, and the extremely wide angle of view, the SW150 filter holder will vignette at the widest angles. To avoid this we recommend using a minimum focal length of 13.5mm when using the filter holder with two filter slots and 12.5mm when using the holder with one filter slot.

If you want to get all the way down to 11mm without vignetting, Lee won't cut it. You need to step up to the mondo systems like the one from Wonderpana, NiSi, or 3rd party rapid prototyped / 3D printed options linked elsewhere on this thread.

For the amount and cost of glass you are shooting with, I would avoid NiSi at all costs as they seem to be a fringe player and getting all the accessories you need (adapter rings, choice of filters, etc.) seems dubious. WonderPana is not as large/comprehensive as Lee, but they are more established and (to some extent) specialize in these U-UWA needs. If I had to shoot down to 11mm on FF with front filters, WonderPana would be my choice.

- A

 

[Loswr]

My question is: Is there a way in buying a set of Lee 150mm filters and get them to work on all the lenses mentioned below ?

Here's what's attached to my 5DsR:
-TS-E 17
-TS-E 24II
-TS-E 90
-TS-35 FD (EdMika converted).
-11-24 f4 (planned)
- Pentax67 55mm lens on a ZÖRK Shift adapter (parcel to arrive soon).

Pretty simple -- the 11-24 is your weakest link for front filtering. From Lee's Website (if you go with the 150mm filters on their SW150 II system):

Canon EF 11-24mm: Please note that due to the physical size of this lens, and the extremely wide angle of view, the SW150 filter holder will vignette at the widest angles. To avoid this we recommend using a minimum focal length of 13.5mm when using the filter holder with two filter slots and 12.5mm when using the holder with one filter slot.

If you want to get all the way down to 11mm without vignetting, Lee won't cut it. You need to step up to the mondo systems like the one from Wonderpana, NiSi, or 3rd party rapid prototyped / 3D printed options linked elsewhere on this thread.

For the amount and cost of glass you are shooting with, I would avoid NiSi at all costs as they seem to be a fringe player and getting all the accessories you need (adapter rings, choice of filters, etc.) seems dubious. WonderPana is not as large/comprehensive as Lee, but they are more established and (to some extent) specialize in these U-UWA needs. If I had to shoot down to 11mm on FF with front filters, WonderPana would be my choice.

Agreed. I went with the WonderPana 145 set up for my TS-E 17mm, it works very well (although it's the size of a salad plate, at least it's not the dinner plates needed for 11mm!).

 

[privatebydesign]

My question is: Is there a way in buying a set of Lee 150mm filters and get them to work on all the lenses mentioned below ?

Here's what's attached to my 5DsR:
-TS-E 17
-TS-E 24II
-TS-E 90
-TS-35 FD (EdMika converted).
-11-24 f4 (planned)
- Pentax67 55mm lens on a ZÖRK Shift adapter (parcel to arrive soon).

Pretty simple -- the 11-24 is your weakest link for front filtering. From Lee's Website (if you go with the 150mm filters on their SW150 II system):

Canon EF 11-24mm: Please note that due to the physical size of this lens, and the extremely wide angle of view, the SW150 filter holder will vignette at the widest angles. To avoid this we recommend using a minimum focal length of 13.5mm when using the filter holder with two filter slots and 12.5mm when using the holder with one filter slot.

If you want to get all the way down to 11mm without vignetting, Lee won't cut it. You need to step up to the mondo systems like the one from Wonderpana, NiSi, or 3rd party rapid prototyped / 3D printed options linked elsewhere on this thread.

For the amount and cost of glass you are shooting with, I would avoid NiSi at all costs as they seem to be a fringe player and getting all the accessories you need (adapter rings, choice of filters, etc.) seems dubious. WonderPana is not as large/comprehensive as Lee, but they are more established and (to some extent) specialize in these U-UWA needs. If I had to shoot down to 11mm on FF with front filters, WonderPana would be my choice.

- A

The trouble with the Wonderpana is the TS-E17 solution doesn't fit the 11-24 solution, or more importantly, the other way around.

I have both the 11-24 and the TS-E17 as well as the Wonderpana 145mm kit for the 17. I'd happily upgrade to the 11-24 Wonderpana XL if I could also get an adapter for the 17 but at this point they don't have one. I don't want a set of 145mm filters and a set of 186mm filters.

There is a converter for the Wonderpana filters for the TS-E 17 to fit on the TS-E 24, it is just a massive step up ring.

 

[ahsanford]

Agreed. I went with the WonderPana 145 set up for my TS-E 17mm, it works very well (although it's the size of a salad plate, at least it's not the dinner plates needed for 11mm!).

Yep, with 11mm, it's even worse --> you need 186mm circular filters for ND or CPL and a whopping 200mm X 260mm rectangles for ND grads.

And I will outright question the price of WonderPana's 186mm CPL (which I can only find on their webpage).

Consider: the 105mm CPL stacked in front of most 16mm+ landscape front filtering setups -- a fairly staple tool -- runs $300+ from the various reputable joints like Lee, B+W, etc. But for some reason WonderPana's 186mm CPL that is nearly three times the surface area of a 105mm CPL comes in a non-multi-coated option for $149 or a multi-coated option for $299. One has to wonder if that's a quality item for such a cut-rate cost -- with an appropriately sized version of the Lee or B+W filters, you'd expect it to cost a small fortune.

Also: try searching B&H for 186mm or 260mm. Good luck with that. This is edge of the earth availability stuff -- you're better off shooting the company e-mails or outright calling them.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

The trouble with the Wonderpana is the TS-E17 solution doesn't fit the 11-24 solution, or more importantly, the other way around.

I have both the 11-24 and the TS-E17 as well as the Wonderpana 145mm kit for the 17. I'd happily upgrade to the 11-24 Wonderpana XL if I could also get an adapter for the 17 but at this point they don't have one. I don't want a set of 145mm filters and a set of 186mm filters.

There is a converter for the Wonderpana filters for the TS-E 17 to fit on the TS-E 24, it is just a massive step up ring.

This (and for many other reasons) I stick with 16mm as my floor for front filtering. I have one holder and one set of filters for all my front filtering needs.

Going under 16mm FF is a step away from sanity and a step towards exceptions, hassles, size, cost, etc. And going for 11mm FF is an outright road to ruin, IMHO. U-UWA and T/S shooting is do-able, but you move towards a one-setup-per-lens situation, and if you buy in for (say) a 17mm T/S with the 145mm system, you are not future proofed for the 11-24mm.

I'm not saying folks shouldn't pursue filtering on these wide/difficult to mount lenses -- you may very well have to for your work -- but the drawbacks, exceptions, etc. are painfully clear.

- A

 

[Loswr]

Going under 16mm FF is a step away from sanity and a step towards exceptions, hassles, size, cost, etc. And going for 11mm FF is an outright road to ruin, IMHO. U-UWA and T/S shooting is do-able, but you move towards a one-setup-per-lens situation, and if you buy in for (say) a 17mm T/S with the 145mm system, you are not future proofed for the 11-24mm.

For me, at least, the main use for filters on UWA lenses is to use a 10-stop ND (primarily to blur out people from architectural shots). A polarizer often has unwanted effects on skies with UWAs, which limits the utility. So, I needed to go with the WonderPana 145 solution for my TS-E 17, but for the 11-24L which is at the top of my 'next lens' list, the $75 solution (10-stop ND gelatin for the rear gel holder) will do quite nicely.

 

[privatebydesign]

Going under 16mm FF is a step away from sanity and a step towards exceptions, hassles, size, cost, etc. And going for 11mm FF is an outright road to ruin, IMHO. U-UWA and T/S shooting is do-able, but you move towards a one-setup-per-lens situation, and if you buy in for (say) a 17mm T/S with the 145mm system, you are not future proofed for the 11-24mm.

For me, at least, the main use for filters on UWA lenses is to use a 10-stop ND (primarily to blur out people from architectural shots). A polarizer often has unwanted effects on skies with UWAs, which limits the utility. So, I needed to go with the WonderPana 145 solution for my TS-E 17, but for the 11-24L which is at the top of my 'next lens' list, the $75 solution (10-stop ND gelatin for the rear gel holder) will do quite nicely.

I use PL's on UWA's, but it is almost exclusively for controlling reflections and I only use part of the exposure. I take multiple exposures with and without the filters and just mask and layer in the 'best' bits from each exposure.