More Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Talk [CR2]

[privatebydesign]

...Canon will not use two different card types on the 1DX mk2. It would defeat the purpose and ability of dual write of images (RAW) to both cards to produce a backup copy during shooting and maintain full shooting speed.

Dual CFast is what we will get.

While I agree with you concerning the 1D X II, the prior 1-series bodies had a mix of two different card types.

damn, beat me to it

Both the MK III and MK IV had mixture, with the good old SD slot being nicely slower. The 1DX fixed that and it is unlikely they will regress..

Plus of course the C300 MK II has CFast, so it is tested Tech for Canon.

Yep, I am aware of that....and Canon fixed that mistake in the 1Dx. I think we all agree we don't see them taking a step back, not when you get the reliability of a backup and full fps shooting with an identical card setup.

There is an important difference between saying they have evolved to a more functional position (two CF cards), which is true, and stating "and ability of dual write of images (RAW) to both cards" (of CF and SD slots combined) which is not and has never been true.

 

[Talley]

How about expanding the AF-points further away from center?

It's hard to pull that off considering the space/size of the AF mirror and available space for the AF module. They are as wide as they can be for the most part.

 

[Talley]

How about expanding the AF-points further away from center?

That's a given. I offer the 7D Mk II as exhibit A.

The 7D2 and the 1Dx/5D3 modules are identical in size. Your just seeing the points closer to the edge on the 7D2 because of the crop effect.

 

[IgotGASbadDude]

I hold my cameras for long periods of times (games 1hr+) Canon has the perfect camera feel.

I'm with you on this one. My only challenge is holding my 1DX/Sigma 24 Art lens up to get the "birds eye view" shots at dances/concerts. HOLY CRAP that thing gets heavy fast!

Should be smart and ungrip my 5D3 for those shots! ;D

 

[arbitrage]

I will be very happy if they use two identical C-Fast slots. Having mixed slots like the previous rumour mentioned is a big mistake in my book. There is always some downgrade from the slower slot. I have no issue upgrading some memory cards to C-Fast as prices aren't unreasonable now from Lexar.

I wonder what AF system this camera will have and also wonder if there will be any changes to the VF like some sort of hybrid EVF/OVF. 14FPS, 24MP and hopefully some improvement in high-ISO DR and noise would be welcomed. 4K I don't care about as don't do video but if its there it is there...only worry is that having 4K could push the price up if they aren't going to make a new 1D-C. I was hoping for a price relaxation down to 1D4 type levels but I doubt it...just hope we don't see an increase to 1DsIII type prices.

I will preorder as soon as I can for this body and at least will be able to buy at a discount through CPS Canada.

Can't wait....we know for this one at least it is guaranteed to be out before August 2016 as Rio 2016 is then and they always release the sports flagship for the Olympics.....

 

[hubie]

Simple Question: Why has the 1DX the battery grip integrated? Why not just attach it for those who want and really need it? Of course I see the benefits in using one and the customers often appreciate it's functions, but I am also sure that there are occasions where you don't want to handle such a big chunk of camera to stay more in the background or simply because out of space or weight issues or just because of the plain "ugly" look of it... ???

 

[privatebydesign]

Simple Question: Why has the 1DX the battery grip integrated? Why not just attach it for those who want and really need it? Of course I see the benefits in using one and the customers often appreciate it's functions, but I am also sure that there are occasions where you don't want to handle such a big chunk of camera to stay more in the background or simply because out of space or weight issues or just because of the plain "ugly" look of it... ???

There are several reasons.

1/ Battery, moving to digital meant a smaller battery that could be fitted in the small finger grip wouldn't hold enough power for professional use.
2/ Weather sealing, the film EF 1 series cameras suffered from sealing issues when a grip was used.
3/ Size and weight, if you do away with the removable aspect of the grip then you save several pieces of metal, and size and weight, you don't need the two surfaces between the grip and body so integration can be easier.
4/ Integrity, a two piece design has an inherent instability, just look at the flex between any two piece design to see that.
5/ I'd venture most 1 series users bought grips for their pre one piece design anyway, not necessarily for the size and weight but more likely the vertical shutter button and dial, augmented in the 1DX with the second joystick.

But I suspect the concept was forced on Canon, and Nikon, by the early NiCad battery requirements.

 

[Antono Refa]

How about expanding the AF-points further away from center?

It's not clear exactly how easy this would be. If you look at the existing AF sensor, it already has detectors to the far corners of it. To expand the AF points would require making the AF sensor bigger and that would then impact the size of the mirror used to reflect light down to the AF sensor, etc.

Why does the 7DII have more coverage? Crop factor.

Wouldn't there be additional problems with certain lenses, e.g. due to field curvature and vignetting?

 

[Jack Douglas]

privatebydesign, a very complete, clearly thought out reply. It illustrates why all such changes need to be very well thought out, that is, all possibilities considered, including the unlikely. If heat is an issue then there is even thermal conductivity to consider.

Jack

 

[ahsanford]

Simple Question: Why has the 1DX the battery grip integrated? Why not just attach it for those who want and really need it? Of course I see the benefits in using one and the customers often appreciate it's functions, but I am also sure that there are occasions where you don't want to handle such a big chunk of camera to stay more in the background or simply because out of space or weight issues or just because of the plain "ugly" look of it... ???

There are several reasons.

1/ Battery, moving to digital meant a smaller battery that could be fitted in the small finger grip wouldn't hold enough power for professional use.
2/ Weather sealing, the film EF 1 series cameras suffered from sealing issues when a grip was used.
3/ Size and weight, if you do away with the removable aspect of the grip then you save several pieces of metal, and size and weight, you don't need the two surfaces between the grip and body so integration can be easier.
4/ Integrity, a two piece design has an inherent instability, just look at the flex between any two piece design to see that.
5/ I'd venture most 1 series users bought grips for their pre one piece design anyway, not necessarily for the size and weight but more likely the vertical shutter button and dial, augmented in the 1DX with the second joystick.

But I suspect the concept was forced on Canon, and Nikon, by the early NiCad battery requirements.

Excellent list, PBD, and that illustrates just how many mouths this design has to feed -- landscapers hate flex on the tripod, sports/wildlife people need top-end sealing, etc. so it will be very hard to break the chain and yank the grip from the 1D. The grip itself defines that brand level as much as the internals and the controls.

Also, didn't gripped cameras also deliver more power for AF on the superwhites at one point, if memory serves?

- A

 

[IgotGASbadDude]

Simple Question: Why has the 1DX the battery grip integrated? Why not just attach it for those who want and really need it? Of course I see the benefits in using one and the customers often appreciate it's functions, but I am also sure that there are occasions where you don't want to handle such a big chunk of camera to stay more in the background or simply because out of space or weight issues or just because of the plain "ugly" look of it... ???

NO!!! Love the design and the look. "UGLY?" Wow. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I think the look is regal, and awesome. ;D

IMHO if you want a non-gripped rig, get the 5D series. Hopefully Canon never hears your suggestion.

 

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Hubie, I agree. I had the opportunity yesterday to visit B&H in NYC for my first time. On that: Wow!

When I was testing out lenses, they handed me a somewhat beat up 1DX to use as a body. It was my first time holding one. I loved some of the features that were new to me, but the size alone makes it very impractical for me. I have very large hands, and the thing just felt overly-big and also overly-heavy. I'm sure it balances nicely on a gimbal with a 600mm lens, but for any sort of photography involving multi-miles hikes or needing to be unobtrusive, I was disappointed. But then, I'm not really the main market for these beasts.

Just to reiterate on the B&H store... Wow.

Simple Question: Why has the 1DX the battery grip integrated? Why not just attach it for those who want and really need it? Of course I see the benefits in using one and the customers often appreciate it's functions, but I am also sure that there are occasions where you don't want to handle such a big chunk of camera to stay more in the background or simply because out of space or weight issues or just because of the plain "ugly" look of it... ???

 

[ahsanford]

Just to reiterate on the B&H store... Wow.

I'm told it's the FAO Schwarz of photography. Strangely enough, in all my trips to Manhattan, I've never been.

I really need to go there someday.

- A

 

[CanonGuy]

I'm more interested to know about fps and DR than 4k or cfast.... Come on canon... make us happy and put a kickbutt processor+sensor in it. it's about time

 

[privatebydesign]

Also, didn't gripped cameras also deliver more power for AF on the superwhites at one point, if memory serves?

- A

Not sure about AF voltage, and I never noticed a difference , but the only way you can get 10fps with a 1VHS (last of the non gripped 1 series cameras) is to use the PB-E2 and the NP-E2 NiCad battery. The NP-E2 is the same actual battery pack, though not end cap, as the NP-E3 from the 1D/1Ds/1D MkII/1DS MkII/1D MkIIn line of 1 series cameras.

 

[tpatana]

Simple Question: Why has the 1DX the battery grip integrated? Why not just attach it for those who want and really need it? Of course I see the benefits in using one and the customers often appreciate it's functions, but I am also sure that there are occasions where you don't want to handle such a big chunk of camera to stay more in the background or simply because out of space or weight issues or just because of the plain "ugly" look of it... ???

NO!!! Love the design and the look. "UGLY?" Wow. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I think the look is regal, and awesome. ;D

IMHO if you want a non-gripped rig, get the 5D series. Hopefully Canon never hears your suggestion.

Not that we have almost same gear, but opinions too High five!

 

[StudentOfLight]

Simple Question: Why has the 1DX the battery grip integrated? Why not just attach it for those who want and really need it? Of course I see the benefits in using one and the customers often appreciate it's functions, but I am also sure that there are occasions where you don't want to handle such a big chunk of camera to stay more in the background or simply because out of space or weight issues or just because of the plain "ugly" look of it... ???

NO!!! Love the design and the look. "UGLY?" Wow. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I think the look is regal, and awesome. ;D

IMHO if you want a non-gripped rig, get the 5D series. Hopefully Canon never hears your suggestion.

I believe the general principle is that the more modular a design the more compromises need to be made in order to cater to the diverse needs of a wide user-base. Integrated designs allow you to optimize your product and give predictable output and reliable operation. The fewer variables in your system (like external battery modules or third party aftermarket products) the more reliable and higher performance you can spec your product to be.

Also, lay-people already think a 5D body is a "big camera" so losing the integrated grip from a 1D isn't really gonna help you stay incognito.

 

[ahsanford]

Simple Question: Why has the 1DX the battery grip integrated? Why not just attach it for those who want and really need it? Of course I see the benefits in using one and the customers often appreciate it's functions, but I am also sure that there are occasions where you don't want to handle such a big chunk of camera to stay more in the background or simply because out of space or weight issues or just because of the plain "ugly" look of it... ???

NO!!! Love the design and the look. "UGLY?" Wow. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I think the look is regal, and awesome. ;D

IMHO if you want a non-gripped rig, get the 5D series. Hopefully Canon never hears your suggestion.

I believe the general principle is that the more modular a design the more compromises need to be made in order to cater to the diverse needs of a wide user-base. Integrated designs allow you to optimize your product and give predictable output and reliable operation. The fewer variables in your system (like external battery modules or third party aftermarket products) the more reliable and higher performance you can spec your product to be.

Hence the dark horse rumor that the 1DX II will actually forego the EF mount and have a fixed 50mm lens. That's one less variable, right?

- A

 

[meywd]

Simple Question: Why has the 1DX the battery grip integrated? Why not just attach it for those who want and really need it? Of course I see the benefits in using one and the customers often appreciate it's functions, but I am also sure that there are occasions where you don't want to handle such a big chunk of camera to stay more in the background or simply because out of space or weight issues or just because of the plain "ugly" look of it... ???

NO!!! Love the design and the look. "UGLY?" Wow. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I think the look is regal, and awesome. ;D

IMHO if you want a non-gripped rig, get the 5D series. Hopefully Canon never hears your suggestion.

I believe the general principle is that the more modular a design the more compromises need to be made in order to cater to the diverse needs of a wide user-base. Integrated designs allow you to optimize your product and give predictable output and reliable operation. The fewer variables in your system (like external battery modules or third party aftermarket products) the more reliable and higher performance you can spec your product to be.

Hence the dark horse rumor that the 1DX II will actually forego the EF mount and have a fixed 50mm lens. That's one less variable, right?

- A

50mm? really? the only lens that can fit that role is the 200-400 f/2.8 with 2xTC

 

[gunship01]

I will be very happy if they use two identical C-Fast slots. Having mixed slots like the previous rumour mentioned is a big mistake in my book. There is always some downgrade from the slower slot. I have no issue upgrading some memory cards to C-Fast as prices aren't unreasonable now from Lexar.

I wonder what AF system this camera will have and also wonder if there will be any changes to the VF like some sort of hybrid EVF/OVF. 14FPS, 24MP and hopefully some improvement in high-ISO DR and noise would be welcomed. 4K I don't care about as don't do video but if its there it is there...only worry is that having 4K could push the price up if they aren't going to make a new 1D-C. I was hoping for a price relaxation down to 1D4 type levels but I doubt it...just hope we don't see an increase to 1DsIII type prices.

I will preorder as soon as I can for this body and at least will be able to buy at a discount through CPS Canada.

Can't wait....we know for this one at least it is guaranteed to be out before August 2016 as Rio 2016 is then and they always release the sports flagship for the Olympics.....

Correct on all accounts (hopefully). As I also do not care for video, I wish they would leave it off and knock some off of the price as well.