More features and specifications for the Canon EOS R3 have emerged

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"Additionally, the synergy effect of having competitive camera bodies and expanding our lineup of RF lens, which command high margins, led to an increase in average selling prices."

- Canon financial document
That was exactly my point. If you have one chip (which are in short supply everywhere (apart from Toyota) due to incompetent adopting of the Toyota Production System) and make $600 on a $2,000 lens, that lens sale is more valuable to you as a corporation than using that chip in a $6,000 body that is going to take 4 years of sales to recoup the R&D. Until Canon start losing the sales race, which they show no real signs of doing any time soon, I don't think they are going to feel "they must" do anything other than what they are doing...
 
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I have no idea what Canon's resolution tick is, but my conjecture is that it is a pixel shift via IBIS which requires the subject be very still and camera on a tripod or maybe something to do with a quad pixel sensor. My gut instinct is that we will know all of the specifications by mid-July (i.e. before the Olympics).
 

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I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that the pixel trick will be a form of pixel binning that will enable high resolution shots during the day and lower-resolution shots but with better low light performance at night. Who’s with me?
 

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I think we are all being fooled. Adorama says the price of the R3 will be only $0.01, a massive price drop from the $6,000 we were all anticipating!
 

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I have no idea what Canon's resolution tick is, but my conjecture is that it is a pixel shift via IBIS which requires the subject be very still and camera on a tripod or maybe something to do with a quad pixel sensor. My gut instinct is that we will know all of the specifications by mid-July (i.e. before the Olympics).
Oh, John....I hope we see the official specs before mid July, for fear we may have some fellow Canon rumornites having virtual heart attacks, if they have to wait that long. Come on Canon, everybody's waiting, rather impatiently I might add and practicing their R3 full specs disclosure happy dance routine. Pls throw in a couple of new RF lens announcements, while you're at it, like the rumored RF10-24 F4L, for one.
 

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A camera's capability for 8K recording is not 100% dependent on it's resolution. Both the Nikon Z7 II and Sony a7r4 have enough resolution for 8K recording, but neither offer it.

Therefore even if the R3 comes with 50mp sensor, Canon may have decided not to offer 8K as this camera is a specialist sports cam, and oversampled 4K is sufficient for the target market.
 

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Just for comparison, here is the Canon R5 timeline:

Initial development announcement 13th February 2020
Additional details announcement 20th April 2020
Actual announcement 9th July 2020
 

padam

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A camera's capability for 8K recording is not 100% dependent on it's resolution. Both the Nikon Z7 II and Sony a7r4 have enough resolution for 8K recording, but neither offer it.

Therefore even if the R3 comes with 50mp sensor, Canon may have decided not to offer 8K as this camera is a specialist sports cam, and oversampled 4K is sufficient for the target market.
No, because the way Canon enables RAW video in their stills cameras is always with the full width of the sensor in full resolution.
So it would have Cinema 8K internal RAW, if it had that many megapixels.
But if it shoots 60p RAW (or downsampled full sensor 4k60p) video without the 1DX III AF crippling, that is already a higher-end feature (like in the C500 Mark II) and of course it would produce a fair amount of heat, up to 30p it should be more forgiving.

This is a lower megapixel camera. Probably more than 20 MP, but not over 30 MP.
 

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If I were Canon:

The industry has lost a significant chunk of revenue from their point-and-shoot cameras. Optimization should be tearing through the hallways of every camera maker. Specialization might be a good strategy in the long run, but at the moment, Canon needs to respond to the A1 and the Z9.

The R5 is nearly there—why not take the R5 put it on "steroids?"

Why invest in a low-resolution system when it can be achieved by a hi-resolution camera?
There are still rumors of an R5c and an R5S.
We also expect an R1.
I never expected that both R1 and R3 would be high resolution.
Also, a long-range strategy is warranted, and not everyone will buy a more expensive camera.
 
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Until Canon start losing the sales race, which they show no real signs of doing any time soon, I don't think they are going to feel "they must" do anything other than what they are doing...
I disagree there.
R5 and R6 are selling like hotcakes but so are M50 and the Rebel cameras.
The rumored ZV-E10 and Z30 seem like threats to the dominance of Canon, especially with so many people declaring their M system and DSLRs dead.
While these threats might not materialize, Canon should not be 100% reactive.
 

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The rumored ZV-E10 and Z30 seem like threats to the dominance of Canon…
While these threats might not materialize, Canon should not be 100% reactive.
There have been many purported threats to the dominance of Canon over the past decade-plus. If Canon were only reactive, it’s unlikely they’d have maintained their market leadership.
 
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John Wilde

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Optimization should be tearing through the hallways of every camera maker.
Not to worry - Canon is doing fine.

"For the full year, reflecting the situation surrounding sales in the first quarter, we not only raised our projection for camera unit sales by 100 thousand to 2.9 million, but also raised our projection for revenue."

- Canon financial document

As a practical matter, a lower priced R3 would sell more units than a higher priced R1.
 

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I disagree there.
R5 and R6 are selling like hotcakes but so are M50 and the Rebel cameras.
The rumored ZV-E10 and Z30 seem like threats to the dominance of Canon, especially with so many people declaring their M system and DSLRs dead.
While these threats might not materialize, Canon should not be 100% reactive.
That comment does make much logical sense to me, you say everything Canon make, and they are still manufacturing Rebels in Thailand, is selling like hotcakes, yet follow that with things other companies might be making that aren't out yet might be threats.

One does not begat the other, but there is no reason why we should assume the decisions that got Canon into that long running 'dominant position' shouldn't be working behind the scenes to maintain that position.
 
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Not in this case? Go back a read his entire message and tell me it was not derogatory. Then in his subsequent message, he decided to soften his position.
I've read his messages for years. I didn't take it as derogatory. He happens to be a very helpful person. If your feelings are so tender, this is probably the wrong place to hang out.
 

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I've read his messages for years. I didn't take it as derogatory. He happens to be a very helpful person. If your feelings are so tender, this is probably the wrong place to hang out.
But you’re not Canon.

You believe Canon ‘needs to respond to the A1 and the Z9’, so if those cameras are so superior as to require Canon to match them, I presume you’re already a Sony and/or Nikon user. If not, why w
We all have our views and I respect that—but not when I’m referred to as an “armchair quarterback.” That’s an attack.
 

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A lot of speculation about the resolution of this camera .
It appears to be very much a specialised body for sports photographers so I think it will only be 20-24 mp for 3 reasons :
- smaller files speed up the camera as the processor can work faster
- smaller files mean a faster work flow
- most professional sports photographers have suitable Big White lenses and they don't need to crop much and usually are working in arenas which are well lit and human subjects are quite large and don't move very fast (less than 30mph). Motorsports move very fast but in a very predictable way that's easy to track and the Pros are in ideal positions to shoot from.

I really like this camera but for hobbiests like my self who shoot birds in flight especially small fast moving and unpredictable species like swallows, kingfishers and flycatchers a crop sensor version of this camera with 30-35mp would be an ideal camera.

I wonder how many full time professional sports shooters there are compared to amateur bird shooters ?
I suspect we out number them at least 10 to 1 , here in New Zealand I would think there are only a few dozen sports pros in the country but hundreds of amateur bird shooters (similar ratio in the rest of the world I suspect) so I think the market for a really good crop sensor camera is pretty large.

Personally I'd be prepared to pay a similar price to an R6 (in my dreams a bit lower still) for such a camera but whether Canon chooses to make one at such a price who knows ?

I don't think camera companies make much profit on these flagship bodies (which have very small production runs) but probably make good margins on lenses and making the best ones must help sales of more affordable cameras.
 
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Just for comparison, here is the Canon R5 timeline:

Initial development announcement 13th February 2020
Additional details announcement 20th April 2020
Actual announcement 9th July 2020
Good to point that out.

For the 1Dx MK 3 the timing was a bit faster:

Initial development announcement: October 24, 2019
Actual Announcement: January 6, 2020

For the R3 the timing is unknown although I suspect Canon might make a formal announcement for the R3 at the end of July when the RF 400 mm and RF 600 mm lenses are released.
 

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I'd say your 2nd statement is a pretty logical one, since they haven't trumpeted the MP to the mountaintops, as you stated. I'm afraid the bird and nature photographers might be a little disappointed with such a low MP count, if that is indeed the case.
Yep an R7 crop sensor version of this with 30-35mp would be my dream camera