More features and specifications for the Canon EOS R3 have emerged

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Yeah, so I used 1/100 as my base instead of 1. Sorry.
No problem.

I don't mean to get into the MP arguments above, but will say that I've come to love the 45MP of the R5. I'd be really happy if my next camera had the same value. I don't need more MP but would probably be OK with more, but I would have a much harder time accepting appreciably less (for my particular purposes). Now that the Olympics seem to be "ON" (for better or worse), we'll probably soon see what the R3 MP will be.
 

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then why don't you just downsample your high-MP images for better noise performance, more headroom w.r.t. DLA and better looks on pixel-level if that's what you're after?
Because he doesn't understand that 100% magnification is not the same enlargement ratio for a high MP image as it is for a low MP image. When you enlarge a smaller image pixel to the size of a screen pixel, you're magnifying more than when you enlarge a larger image pixel to the same sized screen pixel.

Some folks apparently can't wrap their mind around the fact that they're looking at a 36x24 inch enlargement when viewing 8.2MP images on a 24" FHD monitor with a pixel pitch of 96 ppi, and they're looking at an 85x57 enlargement when they're viewing a 45MP image at 100% on the same monitor.
 
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Michael Clark

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Canon has never been the one to "target" specific users. Sony does that. I HATE that. Canon makes cameras that appeal to all users. For example, the 1Dx cameras appealed to wedding photographers AND sports photographers, etc. I've always loved that about canon. With cameras like the R5 available, there is no way a sub-36ish mp camera will appeal to wedding photographers, unless it has some insane low light abilities or something. If they do target this specific genre of photographer, they will be breaking from what they've always done. It will be extremely disappointing and they will have lost a permeant canon mirrorless convert.

Canon has ALWAYS offered specific products for specific use cases.

With regard to high resolution for some use cases and faster handling and file sizes easier to transmit quickly over long distances for other use cases, Canon has differentiated their product line since the MP race really started to heat up in the late 2000s.

In the first decade or so of serious digital imaging on the consumer scale (which includes the "pro" models like the 1D and 1Ds) the 1Ds Series offered higher resolution and a FF sensor while the 1D series offered faster handling and lower resolution with an APS-H size sensor. When the 5-series began to mature, in 2012 Canon introduced both the 18 MP 1D X for high speed handling and the 24MP 5D Mark III for higher resolution. They extended this even further in 2016 when the 1D X Mark II was released at 20 MP and the 5D Mark IV had 30 MP. Then in 2020 the R5 came in at 45MP and the 1D X Mark III came in at 20 MP.

What rock have you been living under since 2008?
 
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Canon has ALWAYS offered specific products for specific use cases.

With regard to high resolution for some use cases and faster handling and file sizes easier to transmit quickly over long distances for other use cases, Canon has differentiated their product line since the MP race really started to heat up in the late 2000s.

In the first decade or so of serious digital imaging on the consumer scale (which includes the "pro" models like the 1D and 1Ds) the 1Ds Series offered higher resolution and a FF sensor while the 1D series offered faster handling and lower resolution with an APS-H size sensor. When the 5-series began to mature, in 2012 Canon introduced both the 18 MP 1D X for high speed handling and the 24MP 5D Mark III for higher resolution. They extended this even further in 2016 when the 1D X Mark II was released at 20 MP and the 5D Mark IV had 30 MP. Then in 2020 the R5 came in at 45MP and the 1D X Mark III came in at 20 MP.

What rock have you been living under since 2008?
The canon 1 series have always been at least 68% of the megapixels of the 5 series line appealing to both sports photographers AND 5 series users. THIS is what I meant. If you bring a camera to market with mp so far below the 5 series line, it is breaking with what they have always done. What rock have you been under is the question?
 
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For example, sony released an updated A9ii with new features that ONLY targeted sports photographers. Canon has never done that. Whenever they release a new mainstream camera they add features that a wide variety of people will benefit from. Their 1Dx cameras were only 30% less megapixels than their 5DmIV which made them beneficial to other photographers besides sports photographers. With the current technology, and with the R5 being 45mp, to keep the same pace, the R3 would need to be 32mp at least.

The 5D Mark IV has 50% more pixels than the 1D X Mark II.

The 5Ds and 5Ds R had 2.5X as many pixels as the 1D X Mark II.

I don't know how many pixels a 1Dx has, because I've never seen one anywhere.
 
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The canon 1 series have always been at least 68% of the megapixels of the 5 series line appealing to both sports photographers AND 5 series users. THIS is what I meant. If you bring a camera to market with mp so far below the 5 series line, it is breaking with what they have always done. What rock have you been under is the question?

In 2020 Canon released the 45 MP R5 which they specifically market as the replacement for the 5D Mark IV. It's a 5-Series camera.
In 2020 Canon released the 20 MP 1D X Mark III, which is a 1-Series camera.

The 1D X Mark III has 44% as many pixels as the R5.

For that matter, the 2016 20 MP 1D X Mark II only has 40% as many pixels as the 2015 50 MP 5Ds and 5Ds R...
 
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In 2020 Canon released the 45 MP R5 which they specifically market as the replacement for the 5D Mark IV. It's a 5-Series camera.
In 2020 Canon released the 20 MP 1D X Mark III, which is a 1-Series camera.

The 1D X Mark III has 44% as many pixels as the R5.

For that matter, the 2016 20 MP 1D X Mark II only has 40% as many pixels as the 2015 50 MP 5Ds and 5Ds R...
Compare apples with apples, compare the 1dxiii with the 5div, or the 1dxii with the 5diii. Compare a similar generation of cameras
 

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The 5D Mark IV has 50% more pixels than the 1D X Mark II.

The 5Ds and 5Ds R had 2.5X as many pixels as the 1D X Mark II.

I don't know how many pixels a 1Dx has, because I've never seen one anywhere.
the 5div is 30mp, and the 1dxmkii is 20mp. So it is 66% of the megapixels of the 5d, exactly what I was saying. Not sure what you are talking about.
 
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Compare apples with apples, compare the 1dxiii with the 5div, or the 1dxii with the 5diii. Compare a similar generation of cameras
The 5D S and 5D S R were released in mid-2015 and are still in the catalog.

The 1D X Mark II was released in early 2016 and replaced in 2020.

They are the same generation of camera.

First you say Canon has not historically marketed different cameras to different types of users.

Now you're saying we can't compare the 5Ds series to the 1D X series model that sold at the same time (1D X Mark II) because they were aimed at different users than the 5D Mark IV which also are the same generation?
 
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Compare apples with apples, compare the 1dxiii with the 5div, or the 1dxii with the 5diii. Compare a similar generation of cameras

The 1D X was introduced in 2012, the same year as the 5D Mark III. They're the same generation of camera.

The 5Ds and 5Ds R were introduced in 2015.
The 1D X Mark II and 5D Mark IV were introduced in 2016, but the 5D Mark IV was not a replacement for the 5Ds and 5Ds R. Both are still in Canon's current catalog. The 1D X Mark II, 5D Mark IV, and 5Ds/5Ds R are the same generation of camera.

The R5 and the 1D X Mark III were both introduced in 2020. They're the same generation offered at the same time.

"compare the 1dxiii with the 5div" - the 1D X Mark III was introduced in 2020, four years after the 5D Mark IV in 2016.

"or the 1dxii with the 5diii" - The 1D X Mark II was introduced in 2016, four years after the 5D Mark III in 2012.


As you can clearly see, the trend had been to increase the difference between the 5-Series and the 1-Series with every product cycle.

In 2012 the current 5-Series had 1.33X as many pixels as the 1-Series.
in 2016 the three current 5-Series models had 1.5X and 2.5X, respectively, as many pixels as the 1-Series.
In 2020 the current 5-Series model has 2.25X as many pixels as the current 1-Series camera, with rumors swirling of an impending high resolution R5s by the end of 2021.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Canon_EOS_digital_cameras
 
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The 5D S and 5D S R were released in mid-2015 and are still in the catalog.

The 1D X Mark II was released in early 2016 and replaced in 2020.

They are the same generation of camera.

First you say Canon has not historically marketed different cameras to different types of users.

Now you're saying we can't compare the 5Ds series to the 1D X series model that sold at the same time (1D X Mark II) because they were aimed at different users than the 5D Mark IV which also are the same generation?
I mispoke, compare the 1dxii to 5dmiv. It has the exact ratio of pixels as I was referring to. The 1dx has 66% of the mp as the 5d
 

rick1

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The 1D X was introduced in 2012, the same year as the 5D Mark III. They're the same generation of camera.

The 5Ds and 5Ds R were introduced in 2015.
The 1D X Mark II and 5D Mark IV were introduced in 2016, but the 5D Mark IV was not a replacement for the 5Ds and 5Ds R. Both are still in Canon's current catalog. The 1D X Mark II, 5D Mark IV, and 5Ds/5Ds R are the same generation of camera.

The R5 and the 1D X Mark III were both introduced in 2020. They're the same generation offered at the same time.

"compare the 1dxiii with the 5div" - the 1D X Mark III was introduced in 2020, four years after the 5D Mark IV in 2016.

"or the 1dxii with the 5diii" - The 1D X Mark II was introduced in 2016, four years after the 5D Mark III in 2012.


As you can clearly see, the trend had been to increase the difference between the 5-Series and the 1-Series with every product cycle.

In 2012 the current 5-Series had 1.33X as many pixels as the 1-Series.
in 2016 the three current 5-Series models had 1.5X and 2.5X, respectively, as many pixels as the 1-Series.
In 2020 the current 5-Series model has 2.25X as many pixels as the current 1-Series camera, with rumors swirling of an impending high resolution R5s by the end of 2021.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Canon_EOS_digital_cameras
You can't compare the R5 to the 1Dx, they are a completely different generation of camera. The R3 and R1 will be the same generation as the R5
 
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Because he doesn't understand that 100% magnification is not the same enlargement ratio for a high MP image as it is for a low MP image. When you enlarge a smaller image pixel to the size of a screen pixel, you're magnifying more than when you enlarge a larger image pixel to the same sized screen pixel.

Some folks apparently can't wrap their mind around the fact that they're looking at a 36x24 inch enlargement when viewing 8.2MP images on a 24" FHD monitor with a pixel pitch of 96 ppi, and they're looking at an 85x57 enlargement when they're viewing a 45MP image at 100% on the same monitor.
as per https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/t...e-canon-eos-r3-have-emerged.40492/post-895269 I believe that @Skyscraperfan does understand the difference but places higher emphasis on psychological aspects than on technological ones.
 
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Here in the U.S., I'd think that amateur sports photographers outnumber amateur birders by at least 10:1, probably more like 20:1. There are handfuls of them on the sidelines at every high school football game, which is by far the biggest amateur sport in the U.S. (college sports are not "amateur", no matter what the NCAA claims). Baseball/softball and soccer have their share, too.
Interesting but these are amateurs too so the pro sports shooters are very out numbered.
These amateur sports shooters would probably buy a good crop sensor camera too as it gives more reach without having to buy crazy expensive big white lenses
 

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You're not really recovering anything. You're just extending the white point all the way to 16,383 instead of cutting it off at around 4,095 like the camera's JPEG engine that generates the preview image is doing it.
You're right, I didn't mean that scientifically. I just meant the visual perception of the post-processed image. But that's already an accident for me, I still shoot sometimes positive (slide) film, which forces me back to the old rules of careful metering anyway.
 
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In 2020 Canon released the 45 MP R5 which they specifically market as the replacement for the 5D Mark IV. It's a 5-Series camera.
In 2020 Canon released the 20 MP 1D X Mark III, which is a 1-Series camera.

The 1D X Mark III has 44% as many pixels as the R5.

For that matter, the 2016 20 MP 1D X Mark II only has 40% as many pixels as the 2015 50 MP 5Ds and 5Ds R...
I do not think that is a fair comparison since the 1 DX Mark III was released before the R5.
However, that should have bearing on the R1, not the R3.
 
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30fps until the buffer is full. Then you're at ever how many frames clear the buffer per second. If the buffer is sending data to both the CFexpress bus and the SD card bus at the SD card speed, it will take significantly longer to clear the buffer of the same amount of data than when the CFexpress bus is operating at its higher speed.
Who says the buffer will get full?
This is not Sony we are talking about.
I get that this s not the R1 but Canon is going hard at 30 FPS.
If there is any kind of limit reached then even I will call BS on them.
The usual cabal of YouTube critics is just waiting for Canon to screw up.
 
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I do not think that is a fair comparison since the 1 DX Mark III was released before the R5.
However, that should have bearing on the R1, not the R3.
Hmmm if they are released within the same year they are generally considered to be of the same generation. Further proof is that a camera released at the same time as the R5, the R6 also uses the 1DX iii sensor. In my opinion it is very reasonable to compare them…
 
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