More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[K]

Canon went through the redesign of moving the name plate to make space because all the I/O is cramped.

Was that why? Or was it to put the remote triggering port in a location more amenable to use of an L-plate? Maybe this is the 'new feature never seen on a dSLR that will be convient for photographers'?

That would be very underwhelming and disappointing.


The way I look at it, Dual Pixel Raw hopefully is the big new feature.

After all, nothing big on AF. Nothing big on megapixels. Nothing on FPS. Nothing revolutionary on ergonomics or controls. Everything exists and is evolutionary, incremental.

 

[Loswr]

Let's face it though, there is a significant chunk of the market that no longer needs slight incremental bumps of the reliable devices they're using.

Sure, if you assume the primary target market for the 5DIV is current 5DIII owners. But the 5DIV is a significant bump for owners of the 5DII, 6D, 7DII, and xxD cameras, and there are a lot more of them out there than 5DIII owners. Just food for thought...

 

[Loswr]

Canon went through the redesign of moving the name plate to make space because all the I/O is cramped.

Was that why? Or was it to put the remote triggering port in a location more amenable to use of an L-plate? Maybe this is the 'new feature never seen on a dSLR that will be convient for photographers'?

That would be very underwhelming and disappointing.


The way I look at it, Dual Pixel Raw hopefully is the big new feature.

After all, nothing big on AF. Nothing big on megapixels. Nothing on FPS. Nothing revolutionary on ergonomics or controls. Everything exists and is evolutionary, incremental.

Since when did this rumored addition become a BIG new feature?

Check back...

While we’re told that the feature “isn’t major”, it is something “a lot of shooters will be happy to have”.

 

[NorbR]

I haven't followed all the updates that closely, so apologies if I missed anything, but ...

The SD card. It should have been UHS-II compatible.

Do we know already that it isn't? Just because a feature is not in the current rumor list, doesn't mean it's not in the final spec list.
Also, wouldn't it be reasonable to think that "Compact Flash Type II" is actually UHS-II that was lost in translation along the way? I mean, who cares about CF Type II anyway?

 

[K]

...Requires comparing various scenarios and photos and pixel peeing them...

Now that's an image I will have a hard time erasing from my brain!

;D LOL

What a typo! Ya, bizarre to imagine for sure.

 

[JohnDizzo15]

Here's the thing...individuals with $20-40K of photo gear in their closets (and I am in that group) are likely a pretty unimportant segment for camera manufacturers to consider. Which segment is more important - 10,000 people who spend $30K, 100,000 people who spend $8K, or 3,000,000 people who spend $1K?

Absolutely see your line of reasoning. However, it all starts somewhere. Canon relied on public perception for many years and continues to do so. Back in the day, everyone I knew for the most part shot Canon because our friends that were pros shot Canon. The rest of us hobbyists figured they had to know better than us, right? lol. What that translates into now though, is that there are more and more people walking around with something other than Canon (OTC) slung across their body from pros to hobbyists. Those of us that are already shooting something OTC are now no longer recommending Canon to any level of hobbyist that we know or meet. Outside of my core of photo buddies, I have recommended a Sony or Fuji to at least a dozen people who have asked me for advice in the last year. These are the people that fall into the $1k category.

 

[mbj68]

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I am in a different bucket of enthusiast who wants to build up inside of one ecosystem and not migrate, not need to sell off gear or carry two brands, not need to juggle two different rigs with different menu systems and button layouts, etc. I like to keep it simple and focus on shooting*. In short, I don't lust for new/better gear, I lust for demonstrably new/better gear in my chosen ecosystem. Slow and steady, no brave leaps of faith or full conversions, no hoarding of 2-3 brands......
- A

this exactly describes the way I feel about gear!

 

[DrToast]

Maiaibing,

2 stops of high iso improvement is a little much to expect I'd think. A real 1/2 stop or slightly more such that we all could see the difference would make me pretty happy.

DR increase is what Canon needs. They caught up some, but still quite behind. At least we know this generation of Canon sensors is out of the pathetic 11 stop range, and into the respectable 13 stop range. While they aren't Exmor level

This is not true. There's a couple of exceptions, but most of the Sony cameras are in the 13.5 range for DR.

That's where Canon is right now based on the 80D and 1DX II.

Even the "amazing" A7R II "only" has 13.9 stops of DR.

 

[JohnDizzo15]

Let's face it though, there is a significant chunk of the market that no longer needs slight incremental bumps of the reliable devices they're using.

Sure, if you assume the primary target market for the 5DIV is current 5DIII owners. But the 5DIV is a significant bump for owners of the 5DII, 6D, 7DII, and xxD cameras, and there are a lot more of them out there than 5DIII owners. Just food for thought...

Good point.

 

[ahsanford]

Agreed. I remember seeing somewhere that after the 4 is out there'll be a very quick refresh and if they can iron out some of the niggles, such as the buffer size and unload times I'll hold fire for that instead as the 5DSr is phenomenal.

Not so sure. For the next 3-6 months it will be all 5D4 all the time, and then the next 3-6 months will be all 6D2 all the time. I don't see a true 5DS sequel coming until 2018 at the earliest.

- A

 

[Talley]

I woke up and saw the photos and solid specs...

..just sold my 5D3.

Cmon' 5D4 where are you !!!!

 

[Ozarker]

So let me get this straight-

5d3- home run, pro mainstay, beast of a camera

5d4- upgrades ALL areas, most certainly will beast


Noise in the crowd= "we wont buy it!"



There is something truly wrong with this thread.

Word on the street is that the Prozac supply has dried up. It used to be on every corner.

 

[Loswr]

Those of us that are already shooting something OTC are now no longer recommending Canon to any level of hobbyist that we know or meet. Outside of my core of photo buddies, I have recommended a Sony or Fuji to at least a dozen people who have asked me for advice in the last year. These are the people that fall into the $1k category.

Wow...see, I knew there was a reason that Canon's market share has been declining for the past couple of years.

Oh, wait...it hasn't. In fact, it's been increasing.

 

[unfocused]

Regardless of what is happening to Canon and the rest of the market, this is what has happened amongst the 12 of us. For reference, we all have closets that contain 20-40k (all of which used to be in Canon for most of us) in gear so I'd say we are all pretty serious about buying stuff and are members of an important segment for any camera [manufacturer] to consider.

Here's the thing...individuals with $20-40K of photo gear in their closets (and I am in that group) are likely a pretty unimportant segment for camera manufacturers to consider. Which segment is more important - 10,000 people who spend $30K, 100,000 people who spend $8K, or 3,000,000 people who spend $1K?

Valid point as usual Neuro.

Let me share my own anecdote. Six months ago I was covering an event for a client. A local photographer (professional portrait) was there as well, and he was showing me his new toy: A Sony. He was extolling the virtues of the Sony. How much he liked it's size and dynamic range. Fast forward to earlier this month, I was back in the same community covering another event. I saw the same photographer, but noticed he had a 5D.

I asked him where was his Sony. "I got rid of it," he said. We didn't get into a lot of detail, but basically, he indicated it wasn't convenient to use and he didn't feel the image quality was so much better as to make the downsides worthwhile.

That doesn't mean Sony is doomed, any more than John Dizzo's story means Canon is doomed. It just means that there will always be some churn as people try new things. Some will switch, some won't. But, as Neuro has often pointed out, all that matters are the aggregate numbers and the aggregate numbers show that Canon is doing something right.

Reminds me of the old newsroom saying, "News is whatever the editor is interested in." It's all too easy to extrapolate our own personal experience and assume it has meaning for others, but it often doesn't.

 

[Jopa]

All Canon needs to do is update the sensor in the 5Ds and they'll have the best landscape/portrait body on the market (and arguably already do without updating).

+1.
I would love to see a DPAF & 8K (should be a minimum amount of crop) in the v2, but that's not something I can't live without now. And whatever minor DR improvement would be also welcome.
I'm still wondering about those 30 x 2 MPx in the 5dm4, will they give some extra sharpness or ISO or DR or something else? I guess will have a definitive answer within a few weeks!

 

[Talley]

As someone quite new to this site and photography in general I have one thing I don't understand about the new 5D Series model:
Why doesn't it have the flip screen of the cheaper models like my 70D? I find this option really helpful in alot of situations and truely wonder: Why did they omit it? Do more expirienced photographers not like this feature?

Tilty-flippy screens, for one reason or another, have been thought of as a consumer (soccer mom / hockey dad / millenial selfie) sort of photographic need that serious photogs don't need.

Pros / skeptics / older photographers have for a long time said that they saw it as a risk -- it was flimsy and could break, it could threaten weather sealing, they'd have to baby their rig with such a feature on it, etc.

But three things happened:

1) Video in SLRs took off
2) The consumer-grade versions of these things showed a great track record in the field of holding up well
3) People with brains realized if you don't want tilty-flippy, you can just leave it locked down and use it like your prior (rigid screen) camera.

Now, I'd say a good 75% of this forum wants a tilty-flippy. I have little doubt that it will be near the top of my 'gripe' poll with these 5D4 leaked specs.

- A

Good post Sanford. Old men with cranky knees like I have really like the flip screen feature.

To the OP: There are a lot of us who'd have been happy with the screen on the 5D mark IV.

There are bunches on the other side of the issue too. I also had a 70D and absolutely loved the feature. I've also missed DPAF which is also extremely useful on a tripod with the camera in live view.

Maybe on the next iteration of the 5D series we will see it. People say it is mainly for video guys. Nope. It is extremely handy on a tripod too, whether the tripod is set very low or very high, it is a great feature.

The 5D Mark IV gets a touch screen this time. maybe next time around it will flip and rotate. I sure hope so. I'll be 3-5 years older by then with even crankier knees.

5D4 has wifi... use your phone and control the camera... then you can back it into a wall... mount it under a car, inside a sewer drain whatever you want and take photos with it now.

No need for flippy screen when you have MOBILE screen

 

[K]

I haven't followed all the updates that closely, so apologies if I missed anything, but ...

The SD card. It should have been UHS-II compatible.

Do we know already that it isn't? Just because a feature is not in the current rumor list, doesn't mean it's not in the final spec list.
Also, wouldn't it be reasonable to think that "Compact Flash Type II" is actually UHS-II that was lost in translation along the way? I mean, who cares about CF Type II anyway?

I hope you're right. UHS-II would be great!

But regular UHS-I and USB3 seem to go hand in hand with the generation. If Canon didn't include USB-C, why UHS-II? Seems they are just very slow to adopt.

That and it would be different to users to have the SD slot be faster than the CF.

I'm a fan of SD. In my extensive use, I haven't found them to be any less reliable than CF. I've actually had more corrupted CF cards, but that's just my experience. As far as durability, what the hell are people doing with these cards? Chewing on them? Using them to pop open beer bottles? I think the durability argument holds no weight. And in non-sports cameras, such as anything other than a 1DX2, it isn't needed. UHS-II is fast enough to keep buffers emptying well.

Save money, save space.

 

[Jopa]

I woke up and saw the photos and solid specs...

..just sold my 5D3.

Cmon' 5D4 where are you !!!!

What are you going to shoot till September or whenever the 5dm4 becomes available? Unless you have a backup?

 

[JohnDizzo15]

Those of us that are already shooting something OTC are now no longer recommending Canon to any level of hobbyist that we know or meet. Outside of my core of photo buddies, I have recommended a Sony or Fuji to at least a dozen people who have asked me for advice in the last year. These are the people that fall into the $1k category.

Wow...see, I knew there was a reason that Canon's market share has been declining for the past couple of years.

Oh, wait...it hasn't. In fact, it's been increasing.

LOL. I can't confirm or deny that so I will take your word for it. It doesn't negate the fact that other companies are getting their marketshare from somewhere and their products are showing up significantly more often than they used to.

 

[tomri]

All of the hobbyists in the group have completely ditched DSLR and moved to Sony and Fuji (this includes me).

I wonder what's your group's experience wrt AF in low light and mirrorless? I own a Nex-3n and my experience is that it can focus (albeit slowly) as long as I can handhold at up to iso 3200. Below that, it often cannot focus at all. Now there are studio situations with low ambient light (and flash) where this is not good enough.

I was contemplating an a6000 or a6300, but from what I read, low light AF has not improved.

So I am wondering, do you have any experience with situations like this? (apologies for going slightly o.t.)

tnx