More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[ahsanford]

5D4 has wifi... use your phone and control the camera... then you can back it into a wall... mount it under a car, inside a sewer drain whatever you want and take photos with it now.

No need for flippy screen when you have MOBILE screen

That's a lovely parlour trick and I'm sure it's fun, but a tilty screen works instantly and doesn't need to be paired, woken up, etc. And why can't you have both? I don't see WiFi eliminating the tilty-flippy so much as expanding what you can do with the camera. The two could 100% coexist.

In 2016 I've fully converted to the tilty-flippy camp after going from 'it will break' to 'fine, but I don't need it' to 'if it doesn't crank up price too much' to 'yeah... I could really use this'. I believe everyone will get there eventually unless we have a spate of tilty-flippies breaking off or failing in the field. I'm not seeing that happen.

- A

 

[K]

Canon went through the redesign of moving the name plate to make space because all the I/O is cramped.

Was that why? Or was it to put the remote triggering port in a location more amenable to use of an L-plate? Maybe this is the 'new feature never seen on a dSLR that will be convient for photographers'?

That would be very underwhelming and disappointing.


The way I look at it, Dual Pixel Raw hopefully is the big new feature.

After all, nothing big on AF. Nothing big on megapixels. Nothing on FPS. Nothing revolutionary on ergonomics or controls. Everything exists and is evolutionary, incremental.

Since when did this rumored addition become a BIG new feature?

Check back...

While we’re told that the feature “isn’t major”, it is something “a lot of shooters will be happy to have”.

You're right. That's some of us hyping it up.

I still think it would fit. For a wide-audience of potential users, that is not a big new feature. But to those who can make use of it, it is a big feature.

 

[tr573]

Maiaibing,

2 stops of high iso improvement is a little much to expect I'd think. A real 1/2 stop or slightly more such that we all could see the difference would make me pretty happy.

DR increase is what Canon needs. They caught up some, but still quite behind. At least we know this generation of Canon sensors is out of the pathetic 11 stop range, and into the respectable 13 stop range. While they aren't Exmor level

This is not true. There's a couple of exceptions, but most of the Sony cameras are in the 13.5 range for DR.

That's where Canon is right now based on the 80D and 1DX II.

Even the "amazing" A7R II "only" has 13.9 stops of DR.

No, it only has 11.38 stops of PDR, and you have to start using Bill's charts now instead of DXO ones because the 1DX2 only has 10.3 on those, which is a bigger difference than the 13.9 vs 13.48 that DXO shows.

 

[Jopa]

All of the hobbyists in the group have completely ditched DSLR and moved to Sony and Fuji (this includes me).

I wonder what's your group's experience wrt AF in low light and mirrorless? I own a Nex-3n and my experience is that it can focus (albeit slowly) as long as I can handhold at up to iso 3200. Beyond that, it often cannot focus at all. Now there are studio situations with low ambient light where this is not good enough.

I was contemplating an a6000 or a6300, but from what I read, low light AF has not improved.

So I am wondering, do you have any experience with situations like this? (apologies for going slightly o.t.)

tnx

That's why I got a 5dsr because of my frustration with the a7r2 AF capabilities. When the light is not perfect - the AF-C is useless. The tiny OSPDAF receptors could be the reason - even Sony can't beat physics

 

[rrcphoto]

I haven't followed all the updates that closely, so apologies if I missed anything, but ...

The SD card. It should have been UHS-II compatible.

Do we know already that it isn't? Just because a feature is not in the current rumor list, doesn't mean it's not in the final spec list.
Also, wouldn't it be reasonable to think that "Compact Flash Type II" is actually UHS-II that was lost in translation along the way? I mean, who cares about CF Type II anyway?

I hope you're right. UHS-II would be great!

But regular UHS-I and USB3 seem to go hand in hand with the generation. If Canon didn't include USB-C, why UHS-II? Seems they are just very slow to adopt.

USB-C is the connector.. that can run up to 3.1 speeds.

 

[fegari]

For one, I'm kind of disappointed. Started with a T3i, then moved to 7D+5D3, 7D2+5DSR and may be the first time I do not upgrade to the new Canon model. Contrary to most I was looking forward to the initial 8-9fps and resolution like the D810 so I could eventually phase out the 7D2. Seems I'll need to wait a bit more ;(

 

[rrcphoto]

Maiaibing,

2 stops of high iso improvement is a little much to expect I'd think. A real 1/2 stop or slightly more such that we all could see the difference would make me pretty happy.

DR increase is what Canon needs. They caught up some, but still quite behind. At least we know this generation of Canon sensors is out of the pathetic 11 stop range, and into the respectable 13 stop range. While they aren't Exmor level

This is not true. There's a couple of exceptions, but most of the Sony cameras are in the 13.5 range for DR.

That's where Canon is right now based on the 80D and 1DX II.

Even the "amazing" A7R II "only" has 13.9 stops of DR.

No, it only has 11.38 stops of PDR, and you have to start using Bill's charts now instead of DXO ones because the 1DX2 only has 10.3 on those, which is a bigger difference than the 13.9 vs 13.48 that DXO shows.

PDR does not take into account the fact that all ISO's are not equal.

and also his CoC calculation as the basis of reference I don't really agree with.

but I find it amusing how DxO is ditched in a hurry when canon caught up to their measurements...

 

[Diko]

Well, it's an SLR with a vanilla optical viewfinder...

What is that?

I'm 'speaking American' again, sorry. Vanilla = there's nothing out of the ordinary about it, and it won't focus peak / zebra through the viewfinder... because by definition it's an OVF (we strongly presume) without an EVF overlay.



- A

You know... I kind of more liked the other answer:

You've never licked your viewfinder window before obviously...

I wonder how will I work now with the touchscreen and if it all works well I can't imagine counting on EVF and possibly will use less and less the OVF.

But that I can tell at least after the first 5-6K shots.

No, it only has 11.38 stops of PDR, and you have to start using Bill's charts now instead of DXO ones because the 1DX2 only has 10.3 on those, which is a bigger difference than the 13.9 vs 13.48 that DXO shows.

Who is that Bill?

 

[K]

I don't even know why Sony is compared to Canon in any professional context whatsoever???

I consider the 5D series as a professional camera. Yes, I know some say semi-pro because of the 1D, but it is a professional machine regardless of whether non-pros buy it.

I can understand making narrow comparisons on IQ alone for enthusiast or amateur use - as these users have a different set of what they consider valuable. But to compare on a pro level, is just the Sony fanboys trying to elevate their expensive amateur travel camera to the level of a pro work horse.

Sony's ergonomics and controls downright stink. They are awful. They are basically almost throwbacks to decades past. The modern DSLR has the shape and design for a good reason.

There is a lot more to professional, money making photography than 5% more DR, or any of the other praised specs of the Sony sensors or cameras. A lot of pro photography is in challenging environments that are fast paced. To get the shot, you need something you can adjust quickly and control easily. Something you can wield with ease. Sony is NOT that camera.

And this isn't a Canon vs. Sony post, Nikon has superior ergos and controls over the Sony mirrorless.

They just aren't machines for that kind of work. They are more tiring to hold. They are not as fast to control or make changes. Yeah, electronic view finder is cool and has capabilities optical will never have, but they are tiring to look through on an 8-10hr shoot. Then there's the pathetic battery life. And for being mirrorless, they are awfully bulky and heavy - saving almost nothing except the depth of the body.

Yeah, there's always the Sony user that trolls the forums showing some blog with some "pro" using a Sony to suggest it's perfectly viable solution. Locally, I have yet to see or interact with a single serious pro using a Sony. Zero. None.


OK, sorry for the tangent. Back on topic.

 

[justsomedude]

What's the "dual pixel" note on the spec list?

ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file (bad translation)
“The way Dual Pixel works, 30MP DP sensor means a 60MP dual pixel raw file with a new RRGGGGBB pattern (vs RGGB), so potentially better dynamic range, and maybe an improved debayering algorithm.”

Is that like Dual ISO in Magic Lantern??

 

[Loswr]

Who is that Bill?

This Bill.

 

[nickvera]

It's cropped 4k video looks like

http://www.eoshd.com/2016/08/depth-look-video-specs-canon-5d-mark-iv/

 

[nickvera]

Not going to lie, unimpressed

 

[K]

I haven't followed all the updates that closely, so apologies if I missed anything, but ...

The SD card. It should have been UHS-II compatible.

Do we know already that it isn't? Just because a feature is not in the current rumor list, doesn't mean it's not in the final spec list.
Also, wouldn't it be reasonable to think that "Compact Flash Type II" is actually UHS-II that was lost in translation along the way? I mean, who cares about CF Type II anyway?

I hope you're right. UHS-II would be great!

But regular UHS-I and USB3 seem to go hand in hand with the generation. If Canon didn't include USB-C, why UHS-II? Seems they are just very slow to adopt.

USB-C is the connector.. that can run up to 3.1 speeds.

The rumor only said USB 3.0

I assume that to mean the old connector.

 

[rrcphoto]

It's cropped 4k video looks like

http://www.eoshd.com/2016/08/depth-look-video-specs-canon-5d-mark-iv/

that's right now based upon speculation you know.

 

[Loswr]

Those of us that are already shooting something OTC are now no longer recommending Canon to any level of hobbyist that we know or meet. Outside of my core of photo buddies, I have recommended a Sony or Fuji to at least a dozen people who have asked me for advice in the last year. These are the people that fall into the $1k category.

Wow...see, I knew there was a reason that Canon's market share has been declining for the past couple of years.

Oh, wait...it hasn't. In fact, it's been increasing.

LOL. I can't confirm or deny that so I will take your word for it. It doesn't negate the fact that other companies are getting their marketshare from somewhere and their products are showing up significantly more often than they used to.

Sales for Sony's Imaging Products & Solutions segment (of which consumer photography is >50%) in dropped slightly from FY2014 to FY2015, and is forecast to drop sharply (-22%) in FY2016. That sharp drop is largely due to the Kumamoto quakes, but even disregarding that disaster Sony was forecasting a decrease for FY2016.

You're right about market share coming from somewhere, but in this case it's coming to Canon, from Nikon, Sony and others.

It still baffles me that people look around them and think they're seeing a representative sample of the global market. Those products from others may be showing up significantly more often than they used to where you're looking, but any individual's personal observations are, almost by definition, myopic.

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

And as expected, half the posts on this thread are from insecure Sony fanboys ranting with their bagfull of spare batteries. "Why don't you all move to the Sony camp?!? This 5D4 is unimpressive, wait for the next Sony vaporware..."

 

[ethermine]

Regardless of what is happening to Canon and the rest of the market, this is what has happened amongst the 12 of us. For reference, we all have closets that contain 20-40k (all of which used to be in Canon for most of us) in gear so I'd say we are all pretty serious about buying stuff and are members of an important segment for any camera [manufacturer] to consider.

Here's the thing...individuals with $20-40K of photo gear in their closets (and I am in that group) are likely a pretty unimportant segment for camera manufacturers to consider. Which segment is more important - 10,000 people who spend $30K, 100,000 people who spend $8K, or 3,000,000 people who spend $1K?

I'd imagine they're all important segments in Canon's equations. How is Canon going to continue to convince those 3m people to invest $1k each? If the majority of Canon's bottom line exists due to the mass sales of products from their bottom rung of the gear pyramid, I imagine they would understand that this is partly, or mostly due to not only their excellent history of advertisement, but those that have been featured that use Canon gear. Advertisement that has come from those with $20-40K+ worth of photo gear, that is. All those professional photographers photographing epic subjects with expensive gear that you read about in magazines, social media, the manufactures website, etc.

Canon understands that it shouldn't entirely piss off their client base that helps sell their products, so they throw them these "bones" that are just enough to satiate the critical needs of the majority of those 10k people, or the 100k $8k people. Enough to where the upper echelon that buys into the upper rung on the gear pyramid stays put, and doesn't start spreading the word that they're abandoning the Canon ship. Monkey see, monkey do; for better, or for worse. All the Canon naysayers are rather inconsequential in Canon's eyes at this point, as the impact they make on their ultimate bottom line is virtually non existent. The market share numbers prove that.

Anyway, just my unsolicited 2 cents. Good to be here. Looking forward to seeing what Canon ultimately delivers.

 

[Talley]

I woke up and saw the photos and solid specs...

..just sold my 5D3.

Cmon' 5D4 where are you !!!!

What are you going to shoot till September or whenever the 5dm4 becomes available? Unless you have a backup?

80D I already own.

 

[rrcphoto]

And as expected, half the posts on this thread are from insecure Sony fanboys ranting with their bagfull of spare batteries. "Why don't you all move to the Sony camp?!? This 5D4 is unimpressive, wait for the next Sony vaporware..."

Hey! it's Sony.. what's their slogan.. MAKE BELIEVE™