More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV
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smorgo said:
It looks like i am. Is the 5D3 using "CompactFlash Type II"?
I thought it was simlply CompactFlash, and that improvements in the standard came in the form of faster cards. I didn't realise it was already a second generation of it, in the 5D3
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Joakim said:
Type II cards are a bit thicker than Type I cards and are allowed to draw more current. This was originally introduced for HDD based cards (microdrive), but all current flash based cards are Type I. The actual data transfer interface is identical between both types, it is mainly a mechanical difference (Type I cards can be used in Type II slots).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash#Type_I_and_Type_II
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Maiaibing said:THE pre-order moment:
"Dual Pixel RAW: record one normal RAW file as well as a Dual Pixel RAW file. You can then use Canon’s Digital Photo Professional and have access to three new post processing techniques listed below:
Image Micro-adjustment: by using the depth information, fine adjustment enables the position of the maximum sharpness and resolution
Bokeh Shift: to change the position of the previous blur (original: re-positions the viewpoint of foreground bokeh for a more pleasing result)
Ghosting Reduction: reduces the ghost and flare"
Sounds absolutely fascinating, suddenly 7fps seems rather irrelevant! ( it was kinda annoying me that it wasn't a bit more)
The only question I would have is how long will it take for other Raw convertors take to advantage of this or will they be able to? If this can only be unlocked by DPP, that would be a pain for my workflow.
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neuroanatomist said:Sorry for all who got their hopes up regarding 'dual pixel RAW' meaning increased DR via a dual ISO implementation. Don't say you weren't warned, by more than one doubting-Thomas.
You're saying it's not increased DR via a dual ISO implementation. What is it then?
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This camera, based on the rumors of course - is looking to be a big win.
Here's my take on the new features/upgrades that are looking very good -
30.4mp - Very well placed do-all MP count, IF the ISO and DR performance holds up.
7fps - nice upgrade, fast camera for the FPS.
100% viewfinder - good. No 97-99% nonsense.
LCD tone adjustment (warm / standard / cool1 / cool2) - better to have and not need, than need and not have!
Dual Pixel RAW -- Not sure if this will help with DR, but adds creative possibilities. I don't suspect it will be gimmicky, but perhaps not revolutionary either.
New noise reduction algorithm - always welcome, assuming noise control will actually be better.
-3ev (-4ev in live view) -- to be expected, and much needed. -3.5 or -4ev would have been better, but this is good enough. The -2ev of the 5D3 was not cutting it at all. A few times I had to switch to my 6D because the 5D3 wouldn't lock focus in a dark reception hall leading to missed shots.
150,000-pixel RGB + IR metering sensor. 252 zone photometry -- Better metering always welcome.
EOS iSA system
EOS iTR system
Anti-flicker - A must have feature now.
ISO 100-102400 (extended sensitivity) - good. Based on photos, expecting 32000 top end, which suggests about a 1/3-1/2 stop improvement.
24/30fps @ 4K - all the video stuff is a step up, even though the video fanatics will bash it compared to other brands. It's a DSLR, not a movie camera. For the vast majority of users, these video features are pretty strong. If they aren't up to your needs, you are a serious power user that needs to step up to dedicated high-end video equipment. Or you can just keep your overheating Sony and troll webforums. Just my $0.02
60fps @ 1080
120fps @ 720
8.8mp still from 4K video
New Picture Style “Fine Detail” - nice to have when working in JPG.
Time-lapse movie - More creative options without having to buy additional equipment. Nice to have.
Built-in interval timer and valve timer - More creative options without having to buy additional equipment. Nice to have.
Mirror vibration control system (MVCS) - Very nice, this will improve sharpness. All the megapixels in the world doesn't help if you can't keep steady as possible. A perfectly still 20mp image trumps a vibrated 50mp image anyday.
GPS built-in - ok.
Wi-Fi - very good. Hopefully a better implementation than in the past.
FTP · FTPS can be transferred wirelessly also only in the body -- if this is for image file transfer - BIG WIN. This would make the Eyefi cards obsolete. I'm hoping this is what this is referring to.
NFC - ok
SD / SDHC / SDXC and CompactFlash TypeII -- this is a win because it isn't an "upgrade", no buying stupid, expensive proprietary cards and readers that offers no real world advantage for this camera.
USB 3.0, HDMI, microphone -- good. USB 3 is fast tethering. Wish it were USB-C.
Battery: LP-E6N / LP-E6 -- another win, no need to buy new set of batteries. At $50-$60 a pop, this adds up just like the memory cards.
Looks like memory cards and batteries are left the same - that way, the upgrade choice is a lot easier as no one has to factor in the high costs of batteries and new cards. This is a smart move by Canon. For the base price, you can upgrade, not the price of the body + hundreds more for batteries and cards.
Here's my take on the new features/upgrades that are looking very good -
30.4mp - Very well placed do-all MP count, IF the ISO and DR performance holds up.
7fps - nice upgrade, fast camera for the FPS.
100% viewfinder - good. No 97-99% nonsense.
LCD tone adjustment (warm / standard / cool1 / cool2) - better to have and not need, than need and not have!
Dual Pixel RAW -- Not sure if this will help with DR, but adds creative possibilities. I don't suspect it will be gimmicky, but perhaps not revolutionary either.
New noise reduction algorithm - always welcome, assuming noise control will actually be better.
-3ev (-4ev in live view) -- to be expected, and much needed. -3.5 or -4ev would have been better, but this is good enough. The -2ev of the 5D3 was not cutting it at all. A few times I had to switch to my 6D because the 5D3 wouldn't lock focus in a dark reception hall leading to missed shots.
150,000-pixel RGB + IR metering sensor. 252 zone photometry -- Better metering always welcome.
EOS iSA system
EOS iTR system
Anti-flicker - A must have feature now.
ISO 100-102400 (extended sensitivity) - good. Based on photos, expecting 32000 top end, which suggests about a 1/3-1/2 stop improvement.
24/30fps @ 4K - all the video stuff is a step up, even though the video fanatics will bash it compared to other brands. It's a DSLR, not a movie camera. For the vast majority of users, these video features are pretty strong. If they aren't up to your needs, you are a serious power user that needs to step up to dedicated high-end video equipment. Or you can just keep your overheating Sony and troll webforums. Just my $0.02
60fps @ 1080
120fps @ 720
8.8mp still from 4K video
New Picture Style “Fine Detail” - nice to have when working in JPG.
Time-lapse movie - More creative options without having to buy additional equipment. Nice to have.
Built-in interval timer and valve timer - More creative options without having to buy additional equipment. Nice to have.
Mirror vibration control system (MVCS) - Very nice, this will improve sharpness. All the megapixels in the world doesn't help if you can't keep steady as possible. A perfectly still 20mp image trumps a vibrated 50mp image anyday.
GPS built-in - ok.
Wi-Fi - very good. Hopefully a better implementation than in the past.
FTP · FTPS can be transferred wirelessly also only in the body -- if this is for image file transfer - BIG WIN. This would make the Eyefi cards obsolete. I'm hoping this is what this is referring to.
NFC - ok
SD / SDHC / SDXC and CompactFlash TypeII -- this is a win because it isn't an "upgrade", no buying stupid, expensive proprietary cards and readers that offers no real world advantage for this camera.
USB 3.0, HDMI, microphone -- good. USB 3 is fast tethering. Wish it were USB-C.
Battery: LP-E6N / LP-E6 -- another win, no need to buy new set of batteries. At $50-$60 a pop, this adds up just like the memory cards.
Looks like memory cards and batteries are left the same - that way, the upgrade choice is a lot easier as no one has to factor in the high costs of batteries and new cards. This is a smart move by Canon. For the base price, you can upgrade, not the price of the body + hundreds more for batteries and cards.
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I don't think anyone has mentioned the small but helpful change that Canon have made to the mic and headphone jacks - they're now under one flap! On the Mark III, the mic jack was under one flap and the headphone under the other. It was a rather annoying and poor design on Canon's part, nice to see they've corrected it.
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neuroanatomist said:Sorry for all who got their hopes up regarding 'dual pixel RAW' meaning increased DR via a dual ISO implementation. Don't say you weren't warned, by more than one doubting-Thomas.
Yes, it seems "Thomas" was just another uninformed guy with a Twitter feed and an overblown ego.
On the other hand, if the implementation that is now being suggested turns out to be correct, it is far more than the marketing hype that some of us thought it was.
If it is indeed, a light-field type implementation, it will be quite an accomplishment, not so much for what it offers now, but for what it could be in the future.
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NOW, on the other hand --
What will be the big letdown from Canon? They always, always have a let down of some kind. In the past, it has always been sensor performance. Except for the video guys, who complain about every Canon video spec.
This camera is really loaded. Will the sensor be a let down?
Worst case scenario -- it will have DR between 12.5 - 13.0 stops. Not matching the 80D and 1DX2. Noise performance slightly better than the 5DS.
Given that, it will be a let down compared to other brand's sensors - but still a very usable, decent upgrade. If the DR matches the 80D and 1DX2, then it will not be bashed much at all except by the Exmor extremist trolls that claim nothing short of 14.8 is acceptable.
If the DR performance is good, the bashing will all revolve around video. I'm happy with that. As this camera looks to be geared toward being an all-around high performance camera. Doesn't do anything perfect, but does everything well. For a long time, we've been needing a well-featured, well-speced stills camera for events, landscape and everything.
Should we consider the video features as tokens? Maybe. From a practical sense, not at all. From an industry point of view, yes. This was enough to say they provided 4K. I long said, the absence of 4K would be disastrous. They offered it, even if not a top spec 4K. I don't care, the video people can go pound sand. Their insistence to push for video in DSLR's as a ways by which to create poor-man's pro rigs has been annoying to say the least.
You video people either need to bust out the benjamins for real equipment, or settle and live with your overheating Sony. Bashing Canon for years for not bringing down their Cinema line into a $2,000 DSLR is futile and childish.
What will be the big letdown from Canon? They always, always have a let down of some kind. In the past, it has always been sensor performance. Except for the video guys, who complain about every Canon video spec.
This camera is really loaded. Will the sensor be a let down?
Worst case scenario -- it will have DR between 12.5 - 13.0 stops. Not matching the 80D and 1DX2. Noise performance slightly better than the 5DS.
Given that, it will be a let down compared to other brand's sensors - but still a very usable, decent upgrade. If the DR matches the 80D and 1DX2, then it will not be bashed much at all except by the Exmor extremist trolls that claim nothing short of 14.8 is acceptable.
If the DR performance is good, the bashing will all revolve around video. I'm happy with that. As this camera looks to be geared toward being an all-around high performance camera. Doesn't do anything perfect, but does everything well. For a long time, we've been needing a well-featured, well-speced stills camera for events, landscape and everything.
Should we consider the video features as tokens? Maybe. From a practical sense, not at all. From an industry point of view, yes. This was enough to say they provided 4K. I long said, the absence of 4K would be disastrous. They offered it, even if not a top spec 4K. I don't care, the video people can go pound sand. Their insistence to push for video in DSLR's as a ways by which to create poor-man's pro rigs has been annoying to say the least.
You video people either need to bust out the benjamins for real equipment, or settle and live with your overheating Sony. Bashing Canon for years for not bringing down their Cinema line into a $2,000 DSLR is futile and childish.
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George D. said:
No. The 1DX2 has in-camera DLO too. The DP RAW thing is the new thing.
aa_angus said:neuroanatomist said:Sorry for all who got their hopes up regarding 'dual pixel RAW' meaning increased DR via a dual ISO implementation. Don't say you weren't warned, by more than one doubting-Thomas.
You're saying it's not increased DR via a dual ISO implementation. What is it then?
As has been discussed for a while now, it's saving parallax info for post-processing focus trickery.
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Sharlin said:George D. said:
No. The 1DX2 has in-camera DLO too. The DP RAW thing is the new thing.
aa_angus said:neuroanatomist said:Sorry for all who got their hopes up regarding 'dual pixel RAW' meaning increased DR via a dual ISO implementation. Don't say you weren't warned, by more than one doubting-Thomas.
You're saying it's not increased DR via a dual ISO implementation. What is it then?
As has been discussed for a while now, it's saving parallax info for post-processing focus trickery.
Hmm, I'd be betting that it allows for greater dynamic range rather than focus shifting after the fact. But that's just my guess.
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aa_angus said:
It's just that your guess is out of date. See the updated CR post on the front page and the discussion in this thread.
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