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[Maiaibing]

Worst case scenario -- it will have DR between 12.5 - 13.0 stops. Not matching the 80D and 1DX2. Noise performance slightly better than the 5DS.

It would be a leap of dimensions for Canon to go to 12.5 - 13.0 stops. And it would be fantastic news for those who need this (I'll gladly take it but its not key to me).

1DX2 is not even close to this level.

5DS/R has better overall DR than the 80D - except at 100 iso where the 80D is 0.5 stops better. Especially as iso goes up the D80 starts to fall behind with 2 - 2.5 stops.

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

As for noise - which is important to me - I am still hoping for up to 2 stops better than the 5DIII at high iso settings.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

Imagine if the DPRAW files allowed for enough focus adjustment in post that it could cover any imprecision of the AF system? That would be huge for a camera system like EOS. That would be far more useful for saving shots than 14+ EV of DR.

Whatever it is, I await the creativity of the "Canon doesn't innovate" crowd to come up with something that predicts their doom to the Sony empire. ;D

 

[noms78]

Still no mention of Automated AFMA. I really hope it has it.

 

[jayphotoworks]

I like the fact that it uses the same battery.

I may not get this body this upgrade cycle with its limited video feature set, but I like the fact that it uses the same battery. That will keep this battery in circulation for a few more years as I have a ton of non-Canon equipment that uses LP-E6 these days.

 

[Sharlin]

As for noise - which is important to me - I am still hoping for up to 2 stops better than the 5DIII at high iso settings.

Unfortunately physics does not agree with you. Did you compare the DR curves of some of the recent high-ISO kings? The 1DX2, the D5, and the 7R Mk. II all fit pretty snugly on a narrow range about 2/3 EV above the 5D3. The modern sensors start to be so close to a theoretical perfect sensor that's fully photon shot noise limited there's simply no room for 2 stop improvement.

 

[tron]

As for noise - which is important to me - I am still hoping for up to 2 stops better than the 5DIII at high iso settings.

Unfortunately physics does not agree with you. Did you compare the DR curves of some of the recent high-ISO kings? The 1DX2, the D5, and the 7R Mk. II all fit pretty snugly on a narrow range about 2/3 EV above the 5D3. The modern sensors start to be so close to a theoretical perfect sensor that's fully photon shot noise limited there's simply no room for 2 stop improvement.

2/3 EV above the 5D3 (in RAW of course) would be excellent news.

 

[Maiaibing]

As for noise - which is important to me - I am still hoping for up to 2 stops better than the 5DIII at high iso settings.

Unfortunately physics does not agree with you. Did you compare the DR curves of some of the recent high-ISO kings? The 1DX2, the D5, and the 7R Mk. II all fit pretty snugly on a narrow range about 2/3 EV above the 5D3. The modern sensors start to be so close to a theoretical perfect sensor that's fully photon shot noise limited there's simply no room for 2 stop improvement.

Maybe. But last time I checked there was a difference between DR and noise/banding etc.

Also, last time I checked (frankly I don't "do" DR much - so i just checked) Nikon has some nice camera bodies with almost 3 stops better DR than the Canon 5DII.

So - go Canon ! 2 stops better noise thank you very much.

 

[Donkey_Kong]

Well this camera sounds just amazing. I was always probably going to buy a IV, but this just confirms it. These changes (namely focus shifting after the fact) sound fresh and exciting, and not needing to buy new batteries/cards, or deal with a floppy screen are other major wins here. Somebody already said it before, you're going to save more photos (thus potentially increasing the quality of what may be deliverable to clients), than you will with all the dynamic range in the world.

It seems as though digital photography has hit a limit to some extent. Manufacturers are looking to develop methods which rescue errors, rather than produce improved IQ. This is not a bad thing. I believe a well lit, exposed, and in-focus photo looks better using Canon (or Nikon) equipment than it does using Sony (or other Mirrorless brand). The ergonomics of the 5DIII are near perfect, while those tiny cameras just seem too small to be used, especially for extended periods. Let's not forget lenses like to 85mm 1.2L, 24-702.8II, 70-200 etc. In my mind I've just started justifying sticking with Canon, despite the very attractive and rapidly improving competition provided (mainly) by Sony. I think Canon may have really nailed a way to hold onto all those people like me, (who own many L lenses and Speedlites, but really are tempted by what else is in the market currently). Very clever.

 

[Etienne]

Like thousands of others, I have been anxiously awaiting news on what it's going to offer. Mulling over the mix of features rumored or confirmed so far, this is looking like a fully worthy successor in the 5D line: which is to say a damn good jack-of-all-trades camera. There's very very few things that I was hoping for that are not in the camera now (like a tilt-swivel screen, but I knew that was highly unlikely).
I definitely see this camera in my future if the reviews line up as I expect they will (I don't like to pre-order, I prefer to see a few in-depth reviews to make sure there aren't any "gotchas," or manufacturing hiccups that Canon has to resolve in the first 6-8 months).
I think us Canon glass owners should rejoice at these rumors

 

[Donkey_Kong]

Like thousands of others, I have been anxiously awaiting news on what it's going to offer. Mulling over the mix of features rumored or confirmed so far, this is looking like a fully worthy successor in the 5D line: which is to say a damn good jack-of-all-trades camera. There's very very few things that I was hoping for that are not in the camera now (like a tilt-swivel screen, but I knew that was highly unlikely).
I definitely see this camera in my future if the reviews line up as I expect they will (I don't like to pre-order, I prefer to see a few in-depth reviews to make sure there aren't any "gotchas," or manufacturing hiccups that Canon has to resolve in the first 6-8 months).
I think us Canon glass owners should rejoice at these rumors

I agree with you, time to rejoice..almost! We still need to see evidence of much improved sensor performance to be completely happy for a while..

 

[ahsanford]

Imagine if the DPRAW files allowed for enough focus adjustment in post that it could cover any imprecision of the AF system? That would be huge for a camera system like EOS.

You're right -- I could start using Sigma Art primes at apertures wider than f/2 again. ;D

#burn

- A

 

[ahsanford]

I like the fact that it uses the same battery.

I may not get this body this upgrade cycle with its limited video feature set, but I like the fact that it uses the same battery. That will keep this battery in circulation for a few more years as I have a ton of non-Canon equipment that uses LP-E6 these days.

That's a change to the spec list, right? I thought we heard originally that it was new batteries.

- A

 

[tpatana]

I always thought Lytro was fake/scam since I never saw evidence that it worked _as they advertised_. I read about some gimmick smoke screens to go around that like taking multiple pictures at different settings.

Hopefully the dpraw is something real.

 

[romanr74]

It is obvious that Canon's marketing department thinks that the slowest possible speed of innovation is still the way to sell most products. They are wrong, because for many the improvements are not enough to upgrade.

If I may rephrase your sentence for it to make sense:
"I believe they are wrong, at least for me the improvements are not enough to upgrade".
This is what you wanted to say, right?

 

[rrcphoto]

It is obvious that Canon's marketing department thinks that the slowest possible speed of innovation is still the way to sell most products. They are wrong, because for many the improvements are not enough to upgrade.

If I may rephrase your sentence for it to make sense:
"I believe they are wrong, at least for me the improvements are not enough to upgrade".
This is what you wanted to say, right?

people also tend to forget just how larger canon's customer base is.

it's not a matter of dragging everyone that has a 5D Mark III to upgrade, it's to provide a solid upgrade for most of the user base that MAY be interested.

Canon's user base is easily estimated at well over 25 million users. Possibly well north of 40M.

Canon I believe looks at it .. have we improved most aspects of the camera from the prior release? yuppers. sounds good.

have they? Mp's.. DR.. fps.. video.. nifty features.. everything has been improved over the last.

of course there's a bunch of engineers in forums that dream up stuff in their mom's basement that canon should be able to easily do .. but that's another matter.

 

[ahsanford]

I always thought Lytro was fake/scam since I never saw evidence that it worked _as they advertised_. I read about some gimmick smoke screens to go around that like taking multiple pictures at different settings.

Hopefully the dpraw is something real.

As others have said, this won't be Lytro. With a 5D4, you'd have a 'depth' of 2 data points per pixel. That won't be enough to dramatically shift a small DOF shot into an f/11 everyone-in-frame shot. People should keep their feet on the ground on this front.

As I recall, one of the reasons the two Lytro rigs were shaped as they were was because their image collection array (or whatever they called it) had a ton of front to back thickness to it to collect information on so many depths of field.

But this DP thing for the 5D4 could be huge on really small adjustments -- I'm hopeful we might be able to tweak focus in new ways.

- A

 

[rcarca]

I always thought Lytro was fake/scam since I never saw evidence that it worked _as they advertised_. I read about some gimmick smoke screens to go around that like taking multiple pictures at different settings.

Hopefully the dpraw is something real.

As others have said, this won't be Lytro. With a 5D4, you'd have a 'depth' of 2 data points per pixel. That won't be enough to dramatically shift a small DOF shot into an f/11 everyone-in-frame shot. People should keep their feet on the ground on this front.

As I recall, one of the reasons the two Lytro rigs were shaped as they were was because their image collection array (or whatever they called it) had a ton of front to back thickness to it to collect information on so many depths of field.

But this DP thing for the 5D4 could be huge on really small adjustments -- I'm hopeful we might be able to tweak focus in new ways.

- A

Minor adjustments on marginally "soft" focus would be brilliant! That alone would be marvellous, but the rubric I posted a link to this morning suggested there was more than "just" that.

 

[rrcphoto]

I always thought Lytro was fake/scam since I never saw evidence that it worked _as they advertised_. I read about some gimmick smoke screens to go around that like taking multiple pictures at different settings.

Hopefully the dpraw is something real.

As others have said, this won't be Lytro. With a 5D4, you'd have a 'depth' of 2 data points per pixel. That won't be enough to dramatically shift a small DOF shot into an f/11 everyone-in-frame shot. People should keep their feet on the ground on this front.

As I recall, one of the reasons the two Lytro rigs were shaped as they were was because their image collection array (or whatever they called it) had a ton of front to back thickness to it to collect information on so many depths of field.

But this DP thing for the 5D4 could be huge on really small adjustments -- I'm hopeful we might be able to tweak focus in new ways.

- A

sure but tweaking the focus on an eye for a portrait in post processing..

 

[PureClassA]

Being able to adjust the color temp on the LCD is pretty nice. The DPRAW info seems highly interesting. I imagine how much latitude you'll have in being able to shift focus will depend largely on what aperture you're shooting. But shooting at close range in 1.4 or 2.0 often can land slightly off the mark unless your subject and camera are perfectly dead still. Having even an inch worth of focal plane leverage in post in those situations would be pure gold.

I'd love to see that get firmware updated to the 1DX2. Seems perfectly plausible. Although I'd be very surprised if we ever saw that put into LR. I can't imagine Adobe investing all the time and research to have a special slate of faders added just for a one (or a couple) camera models, not to mention all the painstaking resources they would likely have to employ to figure out what Canon did. It's not like Canon just emails Adobe a copy of the design and says "here ya go!"

 

[ahsanford]

But this DP thing for the 5D4 could be huge on really small adjustments -- I'm hopeful we might be able to tweak focus in new ways.

- A

sure but tweaking the focus on an eye for a portrait in post processing..

Exactly what I am referring to. I'd like to use portrait glass wide open and not just ever-so-barely miss.

- A