More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[rrcphoto]

And being a 7D2 owner, I can't help but dream about them implementing the feature in all previous DPAF cameras. At least the 1DX2 and the 7D2? Pretty please?

Well, there was the notion of a firmware upgrade for the 7D2 coming in the next few weeks. Would make sense to see this feature on all the newer DP devices?

At the very least I could see the 80D and 1DXii getting it.

depends if the sensor supports it. it may not.

I don't see how the sensor could not. The dual pixels ADC values have to enter the processor right? Once there, any processing, including a new RAW file format would be fair game, I would think. The only problem could then be throughput to storage, thus filling up the buffer faster.

If there is anything limiting the feature it would be the DIGIC processor and Canon's reluctance to pushing the feature to older cameras, no?

Just my guess.

for the 7D Mark II the ADC's were off sensor. it's anyone's guess if it's compatible or not

the 80D and 1Dx mark II were at least both ADC on sensor, but it entirely depends if before canon measured the phase difference as an analog or digital signal and where and when.

on the 5D Mark IV - both image values and parallax values have to be output at the same time from the sensor.

can the others do that? who knows..

 

[Sharlin]

BTW, what on earth is a "valve timer"? Sounds like something from a combustion engine?

Bulb timer. Bad translation.

 

[Azathoth]

I too hope Canon work together with Adobe to implement the dual pixel raw features in Lightroom and ACR. The conveniences of using Lightroom over DPP are so massive, it would feel like a huge nuisance to have to switch software just to make use of DP raw files.

And being a 7D2 owner, I can't help but dream about them implementing the feature in all previous DPAF cameras. At least the 1DX2 and the 7D2? Pretty please?

+ the 70d

 

[PureClassA]

And being a 7D2 owner, I can't help but dream about them implementing the feature in all previous DPAF cameras. At least the 1DX2 and the 7D2? Pretty please?

Well, there was the notion of a firmware upgrade for the 7D2 coming in the next few weeks. Would make sense to see this feature on all the newer DP devices?

At the very least I could see the 80D and 1DXii getting it.

depends if the sensor supports it. it may not.

I don't see how the sensor could not. The dual pixels ADC values have to enter the processor right? Once there, any processing, including a new RAW file format would be fair game, I would think. The only problem could then be throughput to storage, thus filling up the buffer faster.

If there is anything limiting the feature it would be the DIGIC processor and Canon's reluctance to pushing the feature to older cameras, no?

Just my guess.

Discussed this somewhere on this thread or another yesterday. The 7D2 may NOT. The 1DX2 and 80D might. Here's why it COULD be the case. It all depends whether the newer sensor fabrication process of putting the ADC ON the sensor die matters here. If it does, the 80D and 1DX2 were both built around sensors fabricated with ADC modules ON the die. The 7D2, was NOT. They all have DPAF, but if the signal path generate this type of read out is dependent upon having the column parallel ADC on board with the optical sensor... The 7D2 may be SOL. Again, speculation. No idea one way or the other. We will know very soon though

 

[rrcphoto]

And being a 7D2 owner, I can't help but dream about them implementing the feature in all previous DPAF cameras. At least the 1DX2 and the 7D2? Pretty please?

Well, there was the notion of a firmware upgrade for the 7D2 coming in the next few weeks. Would make sense to see this feature on all the newer DP devices?

At the very least I could see the 80D and 1DXii getting it.

depends if the sensor supports it. it may not.

I don't see how the sensor could not. The dual pixels ADC values have to enter the processor right? Once there, any processing, including a new RAW file format would be fair game, I would think. The only problem could then be throughput to storage, thus filling up the buffer faster.

If there is anything limiting the feature it would be the DIGIC processor and Canon's reluctance to pushing the feature to older cameras, no?

Just my guess.

newer sensor fabrication process

this is confusing and potentially inaccurate.

the layout and sensor design has nothing to do with the fabrication process really.

ideally the fabrication process had to be done before ADC could potentially be implemented, however, there's enough "common sense evidence" that it probably happened way before ADC's.. ie: the 70D.

 

[N2itiv]

The files generated should work decent w/my current system. I hope that focusing screen is removable. Preferred aspect ratio is 5/4 and I like to mark my screen accordingly to determine final print proportions in camera.

 

[Jopa]

So, does this 30MP count for the sensor include the DPAF pixels. In other words, could this be more like a 20MP sensor with 10MP added through the DPAF sites?

It is not legacy OSPDAF. There are no DPAF-exclusive sites. Each and every pixel has two diodes. 30.4MP, 60.4 million photodiodes.

60.8. The "Image Micro-adjustment" sounds friggin' cool nevertheless!!!

 

[PureClassA]

the layout and sensor design has nothing to do with the fabrication process really.

I said what I said because a year or two ago there was much discussion on here about Canon having to re-outfit their fabrication process to mass produce Sensors with the ADC on board as opposed to the older method of using an off die ADC that required a longer, more noise inducing signal path. This re-tolling happened post 7D2 release. So while it is not germane to the manufacture of the optical sensor portion by itself (made in big sheets then cut I believe) whether typical Bayer or DPAF flavor, the fabrication of the completed sensor die itself made ready to install in a body did require overhauling of production processes by Canon just as it did with Sony etc... If I left anything open for confusion, my apologies

 

[3kramd5]

So, does this 30MP count for the sensor include the DPAF pixels. In other words, could this be more like a 20MP sensor with 10MP added through the DPAF sites?

It is not legacy OSPDAF. There are no DPAF-exclusive sites. Each and every pixel has two diodes. 30.4MP, 60.4 million photodiodes.

60.8. The "Image Micro-adjustment" sounds friggin' cool nevertheless!!!

Lol
Yes

 

[rrcphoto]

the layout and sensor design has nothing to do with the fabrication process really.

I said what I said because a year or two ago there was much discussion on here about Canon having to re-outfit their fabrication process to mass produce Sensors with the ADC on board as opposed to the older method of using an off die ADC that required a longer, more noise inducing signal path. This re-tolling happened post 7D2 release.

Actually it probably didn't.

The 18mp aps-c sensors were 500nm fab.

It's highly unlikely canon could have spilt the pixel in half added a switch per pair, and a boundary Between the two PD and dramatically increased the sensor QE without switching the design rules. Especially with sub 5um pixels.

The ADC had to wait for relevant patents to publish.

The few proponents did not want to see common sense staring then in the face, but the first dual pixel sensor realistically was new design rules.

Canon even stated that it was incredibly expensive to fabricate (new fab teething issues) and there was rumors that yields were causing issues. Etc..etc..

 

[tcmatthews]

So, does this 30MP count for the sensor include the DPAF pixels. In other words, could this be more like a 20MP sensor with 10MP added through the DPAF sites?

It is not legacy OSPDAF. There are no DPAF-exclusive sites. Each and every pixel has two diodes. 30.4MP, 60.4 million photodiodes.

60.8. The "Image Micro-adjustment" sounds friggin' cool nevertheless!!!

Lol
Yes

Agred it could remove the need for AF Micro adjustments on some lenses. The ability to increase out of focus areas might be interesting as well.

 

[digital paradise]

What does iSA stand for?

 

[SereneSpeed]

I'm sure this has been addressed earlier in this thread or the other 40+ page thread (... but I can't keep up!).

Can somebody please confirm that having "150,000-pixel RGB + IR metering sensor. 252 zone photometry" would allow this iteration of the 5d to spot meter at the AF points?

 

[Talley]

What does iSA stand for?

First on the 1dxII here is the meaning per Canon:

using the iSA (Intelligent Scene Analysis) system that quickens both exposure metering and autofocus performance

 

[raptor3x]

I'm sure this has been addressed earlier in this thread or the other 40+ page thread (... but I can't keep up!).

Can somebody please confirm that having "150,000-pixel RGB + IR metering sensor. 252 zone photometry" would allow this iteration of the 5d to spot meter at the AF points?

Any modern Canon metering sensor is capable of linking spot metering to AF point, it's purely a business decision not to do so.

 

[Gino]

Can anyone confirm if the 5D MKIV will offer the same type of viewfinder as the 1DX MKII with the easy to see red autofocus points....when using the viewfinder, AF points are highlighted in red for greater visibility in low-light conditions

thanks!

 

[BokehBalls]

Ok. How we order now?

 

[Dave Del Real]

Ok. How we order now?

http://www.canonrumors.com/get-notified-when-preorders-go-live/

 

[3kramd5]

I wonder if this DPRAW will be Canon's equivalent of the Pentax Image Shift?

Sounds good in theory but in practice, doesn't really live up to expectations.

How are they anything alike? If rumors are correct, they serve entirely different purposes.

In any case, expectations built around rumors are prone to disappointments.

 

[3kramd5]

How are they anything alike? If rumors are correct, they serve entirely different purposes.

In any case, expectations built around rumors are prone to disappointments.

How are they alike? They're both new features previously not seen before and hyped up by rumor talk.

Already there are those that want the latest shiney before knowing how it performs.

Oh, I misunderstood; though you were meaning DPRAW (if such a thing exists) is canon's way of getting the same effect as pixel shift.

Incidentally, hasn't pixel shift been seen before Pentax from at least Hasselblad?