More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Yes, but it's a game. In fact, I totally disagree with LetTheRightLensIn that you should compare scaled values. Although those normalized 'Print' values are useful for engineers (and fangoils and measurebaters, too), it's the non-normalized 'Screen' values that should matter to photographers. For photographers, what matters is the difference between the brightest highlight detail and the darkest shadow detail that can be captured.

So wanna take me up on my gold sheet offer then? Yeah, didn't think so.

My IQ went down when I read your gold sheet analogy. Something about selling photos of gold sheets?

I don't think anyone understood wtf you were trying to say.

"How about this.... let us say you have two square sheets of gold 1cm thick. You photograph both from the same distance, using the same lens set at the same focal point, using the same size sensor with two cameras, the only difference being one camera has 9MP and the other camera has 36MP. Now let us say gold 1cm thick costs $10 per pixel with that setup using the 9MP sensor. And let us say it measures 10pixels x 10 pixels on that camera. But now how about I instead present you a photo of the sheet of gold for sale taken with the 36MP camera and I show you that the gold sheet covers 20x20 pixels and say that I have a great discount and charge only $9 per pixel instead of $10 and offer it to you for 20x20x$9, do you take the deal?"

If you can't understand that, then don't start going on about pseudo-science and lecturing people on how normalization is some voodoo nonsense....

 

[ahsanford]

From what I've read the 80D has exposure compensation in M so wouldn't that mean 5D4 would qualify?

You've only listed two of the three things that I did. I don't know if you can do those two things with Auto ISO enabled on the 80D. If you can, one would assume Canon is pushing this functionality downmarket and it won't be limited to the 1-series any longer. In that case, the 5D4 should get it as well.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

One thing that I hope is included which hasn't been mentioned I believe is exposure compensation in Manual mode when using auto ISO. The 1DX2 has it so I assume all bodies would from now on.

That's not a guarantee for trickle-down-featurenomics. That feature as well as spot metering at the linked AF point have been deliberately withheld to the 1D line to date. For some reason, they deem that a flagship-only sort of feature.

- A

I'm not sure why you think that but the 7D2, 80D, and 5Ds/5DsR can all apply exposure compensation in M mode.

...with Auto ISO enabled? If so, that's great news, and we'd expect the 5D4 to get the same. But I always thought the triumvirate of Auto-ISO, M Mode and Exposure comp only played well together on the 1-series.

Understand that I'm just asking -- I'm not trying to correct you. Again, I don't use those three together (or never tried). I only use auto ISO on Av in run and gun shooting conditions.

- A

 

[privatebydesign]

One thing that I hope is included which hasn't been mentioned I believe is exposure compensation in Manual mode when using auto ISO. The 1DX2 has it so I assume all bodies would from now on.

That's not a guarantee for trickle-down-featurenomics. That feature as well as spot metering at the linked AF point have been deliberately withheld to the 1D line to date. For some reason, they deem that a flagship-only sort of feature.

- A

I'm not sure why you think that but the 7D2, 80D, and 5Ds/5DsR can all apply exposure compensation in M mode.

...with Auto ISO enabled? If so, that's great news, and we'd expect the 5D4 to get the same. But I always thought the triumvirate of Auto-ISO, M Mode and Exposure comp only played well together on the 1-series.

Understand that I'm just asking -- I'm not trying to correct you. Again, I don't use those three together (or never tried). I only use auto ISO on Av in run and gun shooting conditions.

- A

Easy to find.

Page 197 of the 80D manual.

 

[ahsanford]

Thanks, PBD, I'm multitasking tonight and didn't have the time to look it up.

That's that. The 5D4 is highly likely to get this functionality as well. In fact, I'm hard-pressed to think of why it wouldn't now the 80D has it.

- A

 

[Wesley]

Yes, but it's a game. In fact, I totally disagree with LetTheRightLensIn that you should compare scaled values. Although those normalized 'Print' values are useful for engineers (and fangoils and measurebaters, too), it's the non-normalized 'Screen' values that should matter to photographers. For photographers, what matters is the difference between the brightest highlight detail and the darkest shadow detail that can be captured.

So wanna take me up on my gold sheet offer then? Yeah, didn't think so.

My IQ went down when I read your gold sheet analogy. Something about selling photos of gold sheets?

I don't think anyone understood wtf you were trying to say.

"How about this.... let us say you have two square sheets of gold 1cm thick. You photograph both from the same distance, using the same lens set at the same focal point, using the same size sensor with two cameras, the only difference being one camera has 9MP and the other camera has 36MP. Now let us say gold 1cm thick costs $10 per pixel with that setup using the 9MP sensor. And let us say it measures 10pixels x 10 pixels on that camera. But now how about I instead present you a photo of the sheet of gold for sale taken with the 36MP camera and I show you that the gold sheet covers 20x20 pixels and say that I have a great discount and charge only $9 per pixel instead of $10 and offer it to you for 20x20x$9, do you take the deal?"

If you can't understand that, then don't start going on about pseudo-science and lecturing people on how normalization is some voodoo nonsense....

You should get your eyes checked because I didn't say any of that. Go back and tell me who did.

 

[privatebydesign]

Yes, but it's a game. In fact, I totally disagree with LetTheRightLensIn that you should compare scaled values. Although those normalized 'Print' values are useful for engineers (and fangoils and measurebaters, too), it's the non-normalized 'Screen' values that should matter to photographers. For photographers, what matters is the difference between the brightest highlight detail and the darkest shadow detail that can be captured.

So wanna take me up on my gold sheet offer then? Yeah, didn't think so.

My IQ went down when I read your gold sheet analogy. Something about selling photos of gold sheets?

I don't think anyone understood wtf you were trying to say.

"How about this.... let us say you have two square sheets of gold 1cm thick. You photograph both from the same distance, using the same lens set at the same focal point, using the same size sensor with two cameras, the only difference being one camera has 9MP and the other camera has 36MP. Now let us say gold 1cm thick costs $10 per pixel with that setup using the 9MP sensor. And let us say it measures 10pixels x 10 pixels on that camera. But now how about I instead present you a photo of the sheet of gold for sale taken with the 36MP camera and I show you that the gold sheet covers 20x20 pixels and say that I have a great discount and charge only $9 per pixel instead of $10 and offer it to you for 20x20x$9, do you take the deal?"

If you can't understand that, then don't start going on about pseudo-science and lecturing people on how normalization is some voodoo nonsense....

It seems to me the analogy is closer to this, the 18k gold originally photographed by the higher density camera becomes 24k gold when you normalise it.

As Neuro repeatedly points out, the expectation of the normalised numbers as presented implies the camera could record a scene with x amount of dynamic range in front of it, but it can't.

 

[tpatana]

- video 4K30fps (MJPEG). Full HD60fps (ALL-I, IPB) . HD120fps (ALL-I)

So does this mean 1080p/720p will be more compressed? Or with better compression? How should I interpret this line?

 

[mclaren777]

So does this mean 1080p/720p will be more compressed? Or with better compression? How should I interpret this line?

All-I is lower compression, thus, higher quality.

 

[traveller]

One thing that I hope is included which hasn't been mentioned I believe is exposure compensation in Manual mode when using auto ISO. The 1DX2 has it so I assume all bodies would from now on.

That's not a guarantee for trickle-down-featurenomics. That feature as well as spot metering at the linked AF point have been deliberately withheld to the 1D line to date. For some reason, they deem that a flagship-only sort of feature.

- A

I'm not sure why you think that but the 7D2, 80D, and 5Ds/5DsR can all apply exposure compensation in M mode.

...with Auto ISO enabled? If so, that's great news, and we'd expect the 5D4 to get the same. But I always thought the triumvirate of Auto-ISO, M Mode and Exposure comp only played well together on the 1-series.

Understand that I'm just asking -- I'm not trying to correct you. Again, I don't use those three together (or never tried). I only use auto ISO on Av in run and gun shooting conditions.

- A

Easy to find.

Page 197 of the 80D manual.

A somewhat awkward procedure to carry out what I can do with a simple dial turn on my X-T1. On the plus side, my 5D3 can't do it at all. With digital cameras, as opposed to film (large format excepted), we now have three exposure parameters that we choose for each shot. Would it not therefore make sense to have three dials on the higher end cameras?

 

[wockawocka]

The 645z did it right. T/AV mode.

I'm surprised this hasn't been adopted already as it's a wonderful weay to do it. Rather than press the set button and flip the dial and not be able to see what's dialled in.

Pretty silly if you ask me as safety shift can't be trusted and manual mode allows proper creative intent.

 

[Donkey_Kong]

One thing that I hope is included which hasn't been mentioned I believe is exposure compensation in Manual mode when using auto ISO. The 1DX2 has it so I assume all bodies would from now on.

That's not a guarantee for trickle-down-featurenomics. That feature as well as spot metering at the linked AF point have been deliberately withheld to the 1D line to date. For some reason, they deem that a flagship-only sort of feature.

- A

I'm not sure why you think that but the 7D2, 80D, and 5Ds/5DsR can all apply exposure compensation in M mode.

...with Auto ISO enabled? If so, that's great news, and we'd expect the 5D4 to get the same. But I always thought the triumvirate of Auto-ISO, M Mode and Exposure comp only played well together on the 1-series.

Understand that I'm just asking -- I'm not trying to correct you. Again, I don't use those three together (or never tried). I only use auto ISO on Av in run and gun shooting conditions.

- A

Easy to find.

Page 197 of the 80D manual.

A somewhat awkward procedure to carry out what I can do with a simple dial turn on my X-T1. On the plus side, my 5D3 can't do it at all. With digital cameras, as opposed to film (large format excepted), we now have three exposure parameters that we choose for each shot. Would it not therefore make sense to have three dials on the higher end cameras?

Not necessary at all, as it's already so incredibly easy to change the ISO on Canon bodies. I'd rather they left it exactly as it. We do not need buttons and dials for every variable. Do you also want another knob for FEC? Where do we draw the line?

 

[wockawocka]

Not necessary at all, as it's already so incredibly easy to change the ISO on Canon bodies. I'd rather they left it exactly as it. We do not need buttons and dials for every variable. Do you also want another knob for FEC? Where do we draw the line?

Agreed, it is easy to change the ISO, although I'd prefer to focus on shooting rather than pressing buttons. Canon gave us a solution to EC with Auto ISO, but it's just pretty poor in it's execution. There's a couple of useless buttons on the 5D, they 'could' allow us the option to add it as a custom control, but don't.

 

[finngrace]

Maybe its just me but I am not blown away by the specs. However, I thought that about the mark 2 to the mark 3 and I was blown away by the mark 3 when I got two of them. Not sure if I will swap the two I have out for a while. The Mark 3's are more than capable at the moment. Maybe the video guys will be more impressed.

Sean Gannon
www.finngrace.co.uk

Sean, what did you liked so much about the mk3?
Here I am trying to build parallel to the mk4. Since I am the opposite. mk2 was great. mk3 was a fail. Now mk4 is again lovely.

Personally, I just found the Mark 3 "Worked" The focusing was better and the noise at low light was far superior! They have also been fairly bullet proof having shot 200 plus weddings on the pair, they are still going strong. Small thing was the silent shutter. Was a god send in churches.

 

[Otara]

A somewhat awkward procedure to carry out what I can do with a simple dial turn on my X-T1. On the plus side, my 5D3 can't do it at all. With digital cameras, as opposed to film (large format excepted), we now have three exposure parameters that we choose for each shot. Would it not therefore make sense to have three dials on the higher end cameras?

Im usually pressing a button and a dial for ISO when Im not doing auto-iso, so its no more awkward in practise, just a different parameter.

 

[K-amps]

The 645z did it right. T/AV mode.

I'm surprised this hasn't been adopted already as it's a wonderful weay to do it. Rather than press the set button and flip the dial and not be able to see what's dialled in.

Pretty silly if you ask me as safety shift can't be trusted and manual mode allows proper creative intent.

and inherited in the K1. At first seemed like a useless gimmick mode, since I never had it in Canon bodies, but now that I use it, I'd rather have it than not. Simplifies the WF. I also love the special selector on top, its much quicker to change settings on the go. I would actually prefer fixed dials for SS/Aperture/iso/EC. We already have 3 dials on the 5d, just add one more. With higher DR on the newer sensors, I find using the EC much more than before (usually setting it to -2EV to protect highlights, recover the rest in post). point is, I didn't think I needed these before, but forced learning the K1 layout gave me some perspective.

 

[traveller]

Not necessary at all, as it's already so incredibly easy to change the ISO on Canon bodies. I'd rather they left it exactly as it. We do not need buttons and dials for every variable. Do you also want another knob for FEC? Where do we draw the line?

Agreed, it is easy to change the ISO, although I'd prefer to focus on shooting rather than pressing buttons. Canon gave us a solution to EC with Auto ISO, but it's just pretty poor in it's execution. There's a couple of useless buttons on the 5D, they 'could' allow us the option to add it as a custom control, but don't.

I suggest that it would be easier still with a dedicated dial (perhaps on the front of the camera, where Nikon have one of theirs), it's just a case of adjusting your muscle memory. I wouldn't worry though, as I doubt Canon would do this: the EOS dial interface is modal, with a "main dial" and a "quick control dial" that change function depending on the position of the mode dial. This could easily become confusing with three dials.

I agree on the useless buttons. Why can't we assign any function in the menus to a button? I would also like to have more customisable buttons, providing they are placed where they can easily be distinguished by touch.

 

[3kramd5]

unfocused, what are your portrait autofocus settings?

3kramd5: There are tools and features invented that's readily available now to aid and increase keepers but I'm seeing only excuses from others.

Why are those tools and features okay but a little leeway in post is useless?

Excuses? How about "I effed up"? Whether it's me or the camera or the model or a friggin cosmic ray, it makes no difference.

The tools and techniques suggested involve either gear which may be impractical or prohibited, or changing the look of the photo. Many clients like the very narrow DOF look in portraiture. Why else do world class portrait artists use moderately long focal lengths and wide apertures on large formats?

Shooting with wider DOF may increase the rate at which eyes are acceptably in focus, but decrease keeper rate because DOF is too wide thus the photo doesn't meet the aesthetic intent.

In any case, I'm not looking to increase keeper rate, I'm merely excited for the prospect of saving photos which are excellent in all aspects except focus is slightly off. I also shoot digital raw rather than instax. YMMV.

Because they are readily available now and not based on a guessing game hunch about a rumor.
Can you tell me exactly what dual pixels does right now?

Yes, the serve the autofocus system.

So your complaint is that I'm hoping a rumor manifests rather than potentially altering the appearance of my photos? Odd - this is a rumor site after all. Would you also suggest that the people who like the 30MP rumor should shoot with longer lenses and stich panoramas (tools and technique to increase resolution)?

 

[lloyd709]

With all of the discussion around the 5D Mark IV, I keep thinking ... 'What are the comparable cameras from other manufacturers?'. Because we can't really just compare the 5D Mark III against the 5D Mark IV and declare a victory right?

'declare a victory' - love it!! That's what is's all about - owning the 'best' camera!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or are you on the wind up - if so, very good!

 

[jeffa4444]

With all of the discussion around the 5D Mark IV, I keep thinking ... 'What are the comparable cameras from other manufacturers?'. Because we can't really just compare the 5D Mark III against the 5D Mark IV and declare a victory right? We know the IV will be better ... of course ... because its a IV not a III. But once you look at the offerings from the other major brands its not as easy. Pre-5DS I think this would have been an easy question to answer ... but now trying to make a baseline comparison seems a bit harder. And who really is the intended audience for this camera?

Trying to understand what is it the 5D IV is intended to do best other than natively accept Canon glass. Is it Video, Events, Weddings? And if so ... what feature or features make this a more compelling option than say a 5DS, or Sony blah, or Nikon blah. Its seems like a 5DS and that new WiFi Adapter could get you most of the way there. Which in my mind makes the 5DS/R Mark II the Canon camera to watch.

The 5DS/r are different cameras they are not really suitable for action and fast paced photography. They excel for landscape and studio / interior portraits and having used my 5DS on safari in South Africa this year, great for wildlife that's not moving fast or close to sunrise / sunset (I did get a few leopard shots when it was almost dark but they were very noisy).
I'm hoping the 5D MKIV will have better DR particularly low light its clear already that it will have the same AF system (as indeed the MKIII had), metering system & mirror vibration system, anti-flicker etc. as well as wi-fi, ***, NFC that the 5DS doesn't have.
Its moot what the competition does if your heavily invested in Canon glass because changing everything out would be a significant cost (I'm a non believer of adaptors), and newer lenses like the EF 16-35mm f4L IS USM, EF 100-400mm f4.5-5.6L IS USM II are class leading anyway.