More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]

Jopa said:
AvTvM said:
mirrorless vs. mirrorslappers is not öike aüples and oranges. it is like automobile vs. horse-drawn cart. :-)

It would be a valid comparison for a film vs digital sensor cameras. I don't think it's applicable to the case of mirrorless vs DSLR where both represent the same digital sensor at the end. It's more like carburetor vs injector on a gasoline engine. If someone takes a picture with a DSLR and another one with a mirrorless - good luck figuring out which is which ;)

well one might easily tell ... when one image is sharp and the other is blurry due to mirror slap and/or mechanical shutter shock.

And the images out of a mirrorless camera will likely be tack sharp whereas one out of a DSLR may be not due to back- or front-focus issues.

One photographer may be asked to leave the venue after rattling off a salvo of mirrorslapping shots during a wedding ceremony in church or at a classical music concert while mirrorless allows silent capture of great images without disturbing anyone.

One image of a dimly lit scene with AF hunting and pumping may still be tack sharp because the mirrorless photog simply switches to manual focussing with focus peaking on the EVF, whereas the mirrorslapper user just has to live with the stumbling AF system and misfocused or missed shots.

One image is well exposed out of cam since the photographer saw the scene on the EVF exactly as the camera sensor will record it. The mirrorslapper guy looks at the same scene through an optical viewfinder and has to guess what the camera will record. Back home he may wish he'd have a Sony sensor so he can push underexposed images by 4 stops in post ... ;-)

Mirrorless guy might be able capture great images of an extended alpine climb or on a backcountry ski randomee tour with decent, small and light camera and lens whereas mirrorslapper user has his big, fat mirrorslapper and assorted L lenses ... sitting back at home because the gear was too bulky, heavy and cumbersome to haul along. :-)
 
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Is there an option for me to include certain forum members on my personal and permanent "ignore" list? I checked My Profile area but failed to find the relevant option there.
I find it difficult lately to navigate forum pages through this ultimate DSLR vs MILC diatribe. Thank you.
 
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AvTvM said:
Jopa said:
AvTvM said:
mirrorless vs. mirrorslappers is not öike aüples and oranges. it is like automobile vs. horse-drawn cart. :-)

It would be a valid comparison for a film vs digital sensor cameras. I don't think it's applicable to the case of mirrorless vs DSLR where both represent the same digital sensor at the end. It's more like carburetor vs injector on a gasoline engine. If someone takes a picture with a DSLR and another one with a mirrorless - good luck figuring out which is which ;)

well one might easily tell ... when one image is sharp and the other is blurry due to mirror slap and/or mechanical shutter shock. one image will be tack sharp the other obe slightly back- or front-focused.

and one photographer may be asked to leave after rattling off a salvo of mirrorslapping shots during wedding ceremony in church or at a classical music concert while the mirrorless captures one great images without disturbing anyone.

one image of a dimly lit scene is tack sharp because the mirrorless photog switched to mannual with focus peaking on the EVF, whereas the other one has to live with a pumpibg AF system, misfocused and missed shots.

one sees the scene as his camera sees it and gets well exposed images out of cam. the other one looks at the same scene through an optical viewfinder and guesses, what the camera will record. back home he wishes he'd have a Sony sensor so he can push underexposed images by 4 stops in post ... ;-)

and one might be able capture great images of an extended alpine climb or on a backcountry ski randomee tour with decent, small and light camera and lens, whereas another one has his big, fat mirrorslapper and assorted L lenses sitting back at home ... simply because it was too bulky, heavy and cumbersome to haul along. :-)

I don't think you've ever own the infamous Sony a7r. Try to google "Sony a7r shutter shock". Mirror is not a significant contributor to the blurry images as it turned out...

If one is an accredited photographer and not just a random dude taking pics in prohibited places - no one would ever ask them to leave.

I'm not sure if you aware of the fact - any DSLR has a cool feature called "Live View" which along with zoom can be also used for precise manual focusing.

If one knows how to use their equipment, not drunk nor on drugs - they won't underexpose in the first place. If one just pretends to be a photographer - they need to go home and learn.

If one wants to take their camera to an extended alpine climb, they better take a properly weather sealed camera that won't get moisture inside nor overheat ;) I'm not sure where have you been all these years... same fast aperture / focal length lenses from both worlds have similar size and weight.

It's an old article, you still can try yourself to figure out which is mirrorless and which is not: https://fstoppers.com/originals/fstoppers-reviews-canon-5dsr-sony-a7rii-and-nikon-d810-89896
Good luck!
 
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AvTvM said:
Jopa said:
AvTvM said:
mirrorless vs. mirrorslappers is not öike aüples and oranges. it is like automobile vs. horse-drawn cart. :-)

It would be a valid comparison for a film vs digital sensor cameras. I don't think it's applicable to the case of mirrorless vs DSLR where both represent the same digital sensor at the end. It's more like carburetor vs injector on a gasoline engine. If someone takes a picture with a DSLR and another one with a mirrorless - good luck figuring out which is which ;)

well one might easily tell ... when one image is sharp and the other is blurry due to mirror slap and/or mechanical shutter shock.

And the images out of a mirrorless camera will likely be tack sharp whereas one out of a DSLR may be not due to back- or front-focus issues.

One photographer may be asked to leave the venue after rattling off a salvo of mirrorslapping shots during a wedding ceremony in church or at a classical music concert while mirrorless allows silent capture of great images without disturbing anyone.

One image of a dimly lit scene with AF hunting and pumping may still be tack sharp because the mirrorless photog simply switches to manual focussing with focus peaking on the EVF, whereas the mirrorslapper user just has to live with the stumbling AF system and misfocused or missed shots.

One image is well exposed out of cam since the photographer saw the scene on the EVF exactly as the camera sensor will record it. The mirrorslapper guy looks at the same scene through an optical viewfinder and has to guess what the camera will record. Back home he may wish he'd have a Sony sensor so he can push underexposed images by 4 stops in post ... ;-)

Mirrorless guy might be able capture great images of an extended alpine climb or on a backcountry ski randomee tour with decent, small and light camera and lens whereas mirrorslapper user has his big, fat mirrorslapper and assorted L lenses ... sitting back at home because the gear was too bulky, heavy and cumbersome to haul along. :-)

One image might convey moving, emotive, impactful content where the other is flat and uninteresting because mirrorless guy is probably a technophile with the latest high-tech mirrorless camera but a dearth of photographic skill.
 
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Lets see Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera will come out in lat 2018? Give me a break by that time Sony will be in its fourth generation of full frame sensor cameras and Fuji and Sony will continue to have cropped sensor models far more advanced than Canon's M series with its paltry, slow (can you believe f6.3?) native lens series. Meanwhile in the DSLR market Nikon is just killing Canon.Its new D850 blows anything Canon has out of the water. Better sensors (made by Sony), less expensive bodies and a lens lineup that is good but is not as good as Canon's.
 
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SecureGSM said:
Is there an option for me to include certain forum members on my personal and permanent "ignore" list? I checked My Profile area but failed to find the relevant option there.
I find it difficult lately to navigate forum pages through this ultimate DSLR vs MILC diatribe. Thank you.

Profile - Account Settings. Then Modify Profile - Buddies/Ignore List....
 
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john kriegsmann said:
Lets see Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera will come out in lat 2018? Give me a break by that time Sony will be in its fourth generation of full frame sensor cameras and Fuji and Sony will continue to have cropped sensor models far more advanced than Canon's M series with its paltry, slow (can you believe f6.3?) native lens series. Meanwhile in the DSLR market Nikon is just killing Canon.Its new D850 blows anything Canon has out of the water. Better sensors (made by Sony), less expensive bodies and a lens lineup that is good but is not as good as Canon's.

And your point would be .....?
 
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ahh, happy days...Thank you very much, Sir!

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privatebydesign said:
Profile - Account Settings. Then Modify Profile - Buddies/Ignore List....
 
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Orangutan said:
john kriegsmann said:
Lets see Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera will come out in lat 2018?
You have much to learn about trolling, young padawan.

He's up to seven posts now. All saying the same thing. Creativity does not seem to be a strong point.
 
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unfocused said:
Orangutan said:
john kriegsmann said:
Lets see Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera will come out in lat 2018?
You have much to learn about trolling, young padawan.

He's up to seven posts now. All saying the same thing. Creativity does not seem to be a strong point.
That seems a common problem among trolls. Creativity or humor might make it interesting, but all they know is dull-witted repetition.
 
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Orangutan said:
unfocused said:
Orangutan said:
john kriegsmann said:
Lets see Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera will come out in lat 2018?
You have much to learn about trolling, young padawan.

He's up to seven posts now. All saying the same thing. Creativity does not seem to be a strong point.
That seems a common problem among trolls. Creativity or humor might make it interesting, but all they know is dull-witted repetition.

He's on a mission. All work and no play makes john kriegsmann a dull boy.
 
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