Most Objective and Less Objective REVIEWER?

[LifeAfter]

Hello everybody,

I think that everyone was at least once surprised with the difference of a product review (mainly lenses)
that was done by different reviewers.

So that pushed me to make this Poll, to see the users opinion and maybe the credibility of the reviewers.

Lets have some FUN

 

[LifeAfter]

Is any of them (reviewers) sponsored by certain brand? probably, maybe, not, i don't know?

 

[LifeAfter]

Sorry if i forgot any other reviewer, though i can not put them all here, besides the known ones.

but feel free to mention one that i could put on.

 

[infared]

First of all...your poll does not work? You are asking for two extremes in one poll. You need two polls, one for most objective, then another poll for least objective.
The BEST reviewer bar none, is of course Roger at Lens Rental. The dude just gets it "right", for real photographers, every time. Period.
...and everyone knows that Kai is certainly the least objective..I mean...he rubs his junk on a camera during a review and then Digital Rev sells the camera to some unsuspecting buyer, as new, (and then feigns innocence when they get caught "red?-handed" ...yeah right)! Some outfit...although they do manage to sprinkle in reasonable good info thru the schict.

 

[LifeAfter]

First of all...your poll does not work? You are asking for two extremes in one poll. You need two polls, one for most objective, then another poll for least objective.
The BEST reviewer bar none, is of course Roger at Lens Rental. The dude just gets it right, for real photographers, every time. Period.
...and everyone knows that Kai is certainly the least objective..I mean...he rubs his junk on a camera during a review and then Digital Rev sells the camera to some unsuspecting buyer, as new, (and then feigns innocence ...yeah right)! Some outfit...although they do manage to sprinkle in reasonable good info thru the schict.

Thank you for your opinion, i'll put Lens Rentals on the list.
there is a logic anyway to this poll, the one that has least votes is the less credible.

Thank you.

 

[LifeAfter]

First of all...your poll does not work? You are asking for two extremes in one poll. You need two polls, one for most objective, then another poll for least objective.
The BEST reviewer bar none, is of course Roger at Lens Rental. The dude just gets it right, for real photographers, every time. Period.
...and everyone knows that Kai is certainly the least objective..I mean...he rubs his junk on a camera during a review and then Digital Rev sells the camera to some unsuspecting buyer, as new, (and then feigns innocence ...yeah right)! Some outfit...although they do manage to sprinkle in reasonable good info thru the schict.

This is what people need, opinions like yours and others, whether it might be critical or admiral.
It's about that folks get information from the best and most credible reviewer.

 

[infared]

Thank you for your opinion, i'll put Lens Rentals on the list.
there is a logic anyway to this poll, the e one that has least votes is the less credible.

Thank you.

Then the poll should be for "Most Objective Reviewer"...not both. ?????

 

[LifeAfter]

Thank you for your opinion, i'll put Lens Rentals on the list.
there is a logic anyway to this poll, the e one that has least votes is the less credible.

Thank you.

Then the poll should be for "Most Objective Reviewer"...not both. ?????

Thank you for insisting, but as i said its from the MOST to the LEAST,
while the one that has LEAST votes is LESS objective THAN the one that has MOST.

Thanks once more for mentioning Lens Rentals.

 

[AlanF]

First of all...your poll does not work? You are asking for two extremes in one poll. You need two polls, one for most objective, then another poll for least objective.
The BEST reviewer bar none, is of course Roger at Lens Rental. The dude just gets it right, for real photographers, every time. Period.
...and everyone knows that Kai is certainly the least objective..I mean...he rubs his junk on a camera during a review and then Digital Rev sells the camera to some unsuspecting buyer, as new, (and then feigns innocence ...yeah right)! Some outfit...although they do manage to sprinkle in reasonable good info thru the schict.

Thank you for your opinion, i'll put Lens Rentals on the list.
there is a logic anyway to this poll, the one that has least votes is the less credible.

Thank you.

Please get the English and logic right. The one who has the most votes has been voted the most credible, all the others are less credible, and the one with the least votes is voted the least credible.

 

[LifeAfter]

First of all...your poll does not work? You are asking for two extremes in one poll. You need two polls, one for most objective, then another poll for least objective.
The BEST reviewer bar none, is of course Roger at Lens Rental. The dude just gets it right, for real photographers, every time. Period.
...and everyone knows that Kai is certainly the least objective..I mean...he rubs his junk on a camera during a review and then Digital Rev sells the camera to some unsuspecting buyer, as new, (and then feigns innocence ...yeah right)! Some outfit...although they do manage to sprinkle in reasonable good info thru the schict.

Thank you for your opinion, i'll put Lens Rentals on the list.
there is a logic anyway to this poll, the one that has least votes is the less credible.

Thank you.

Please get the English and logic right. The one who has the most votes has been voted the most credible, all the others are less credible, and the one with the least votes is voted the least credible.

Thank you for your correction, English is not my native language
and i don't live in an English speaking country neither,
so i apologies for the eventual errors.

 

[Albi86]

Hello everybody,

I think that everyone was at least once surprised with the difference of a product review (mainly lenses)
that was done by different reviewers.

So that pushed me to make this Poll, to see the users opinion and maybe the credibility of the reviewers.

Lets have some FUN

Roger at lens rental is invaluable because he has the possibility to test a bunch of lenses, thus getting more reliable data from a statistic point of view.

DXO is the best in terms of scientific approach. Photozone and lenstip are also quite good and systematic. However, one thing I don't like about lenstip is that sometimes I feel like they consider lenses more like mere pieces of glass than like instruments for taking pictures. DPReview has so insanely long and redundant reviews that make it a pain to read them through. For a subjective, non-scientific yet interesting evaluation I also like The Digital Picture.

The worst is certainly Ken Rockwell. He'll say anything people want to read.

 

[AmbientLight]

This is quite a good poll, especially that we can only choose the most reliable sources of information, which is useful information. I don't think it is necessary to dwell on the negative, but rather to point people looking for reasonably reliable reviews in the correct direction.

 

[zim]

I like both The-digital-picture and Lens Rentals I don't want to mark either of them down by voting for the other.
I also like DigRev but then I happen to like Kai’s humour.
Perhaps it should be tick boxes rather than radio buttons?

 

[Pi]

The best reviewer to me is the digital picture guy. His crops are much more meaningful that any measurements.

The next best, IMO, is PZ.

None of them really tells me everything I need to know however. Bokeh analysis, for example, is weak in either case.

 

[RS2021]

Ken RockDull is the best reviewer ever...he makes me laugh hysterically and you cant pay for stuff like that.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Lens Rentals and Photozone seem to produce some of the most trustable data overall when it comes to lens reviews. TDP has had a lot of weird results IMO (and has the guy EVER tested a single Tamron that wasn't a lemon? does he just go all sloppy with his procedure and not care when he tests them or what? maybe he shoots the chart very close in? I suspect he doesn't refocus for edges which may make results better for some but worse for others). Photozone sometimes says crazy things in the final text review of a lens though IMO even the data plots look good. DxO has had all sorts of utterly absurd lens data on their website (although their sensor data mostly appears to be very reliable and easily the best of any review site in that case).

Dpreview seems to do pretty well with lenses but they have often been behind the times when it comes to looking at sensor performance with poorly thought out DR tests and having resisted normalization for SNR and so on for ages.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

DXO is the best in terms of scientific approach.

not for lenses though they've had to many messed up results like: 16-35L being sharpest at the corners near wide open, like 70-300 non-L being sharper at 300mm wide open than the 70-300L, like the 70-200 2.8 IS being the sharpest at 200mm f/2.8 and then the 70-200 2.8 non-IS and then the 70-200 28 IS II the worst!?! And so on. I don't think they set up their charts with enough care or something.

for sensors they do the best job though

 

[RS2021]

I am ok with TDP (the-digital-picture.com) as it provides fair amount of systematic data, albeit with one or two copies.

But to be fair, he is also totally in the bag for Canon; also B&H cuz they let him play with the 1200mm and heavily sponsor his site

 

[AlanF]

The-Digital-Picture.com is by far the most comprehensive site for Canon lenses and is good for other makes. The shear amount of accurate, well-presented and documented information is awesome. I don't think it is biased, and to be able to review systematically just about every one of Canon's own lenses requires the tester to have access to Canon, B&H etc. I truly admire it for being the product of a consummate professional who works exceedingly hard, carefully measuring and analysing. The actual quality of DPT.com as an accessible website is astounding, and the write-ups are flawless. For me, it is by far and away number 1.

My next favourite is not on the list: slrgear.com. Its graphical illustrations of sharpness via the "blur units" are unbiased and really informative. It does not have the comprehensive coverage of DPT.com, but is still outstanding.

Photozone.de is also absolutely excellent in what it does review, but it has fallen back and no longer has a sufficiently wide range of coverage.

Lensrentals has some wonderful stuff with deep insight, but again is not comprehensive, but what is written are real gems.

Lenstip has a few useful reviews, and is run by nice guys who are rather too nice.

DXO, I can't understand.

 

[traveller]

I agree with most of what's been written here, but...

I would definitely prefer if reviewers would show more real life crops rather than numbers graphs and crops of test charts. If you don't agree, which one of these gives the best idea of f/8 borderer sharpness between the 16-35L II and the 17-40L?

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=100&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=3&LensComp=412&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-TS-E-24mm-f-3.5-L-II-Tilt-Shift-Lens-Review.aspx
(scroll down to the comparison crops)

Even Roger Cicala has started to think about this - http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/02/seeing-the-numbers

It's amazing how many websites have comparison images which can show only actuance and not resolution and then make vague claims about lens "sharpness" (see http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2009/06/have-you-seen-my-acutance if you don't already know the difference). As a case in point:

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/canon_ef_24_70mm_f4_l_is_usm_review/sharpness_1/

EDIT: wow - what a total mess I made of those hyperlinks! I've now fixed them so that they should work...