New 50mm & 70-300mm Coming Soon? [CR2]

[dasoussan]

Re: New 50mm & 70-300mm Coming Soon? [CR2]

@Liv_Img: If you compare the FD 1.4, "new FD 1.4" and the EF 1.4 they have the exact same design, # elements, minimum focus distance, cost, etc.

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/lens/nfd/data/50-100/nfd_50_14.html?p=2 (1979)

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/lens/ef/data/standard/ef_50_14_usm.html?p=2

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/lens/fd/data/50-85/fd_50_14_sscv2.html (1973)

So while the EF may be newer, I'm betting the design and implementation of the optical portion dates back to 1973 or even earlier. Of course, I could be totally wrong... Short of a magic coating or special element of glass improvement ... would be interesting to compare side by side shots from each. Spec-wise, I'll bet on "At least 41.5 year old optical formula"

The lens can't be over 30 years old - that makes the year at least it was made before 1984 during the era of FD lenses. EF was born 1987.

The 50mm f:1.4 was born in 1993, 22 years ago:
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/lens/ef/data/standard/ef_50_14_usm.html
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[Antono Refa]

Re: New 50mm & 70-300mm Coming Soon? [CR2]

I doubt the 50mm f/1.8 would be updated. It's in the same class as the 75-300mm f/4-5.6 III w/ & w/o USM lenses: Canon keeps them in production because people keep on buying them for the low price, long after Canon recuperated the design & manufacturing line costs. As far as Canon cares, if anyone wants to upgrade, the 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM and 50mm f/1.4 are there on the shelf for buying.

I think the new 50mm will go into one of two slots:

1) A $1,000 uber 50mm to compete with the Zeiss Otus 55mm, Nikon 58mm, and Sigma 50mm art.

2) A 50mm f/1.4 IS USM to go along with the 24mm, 28mm, and 35mm.

As for the 70-300mm, I agree with previous posters - it would have an STM.

 

[bmwzimmer]

Re: New 50mm & 70-300mm Coming Soon? [CR2]

improvements needed for the 70-300

1. Manual focus override
2. Non Rotating front element
3. Updated 4 stop IS
4. Improved optics. Better than the old 70-300 and Tamron's 70-300 but not as good as the L version.

 

[YuengLinger]

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I refused my delivery of the 50mm 1.2L yesterday BEFORE hearing of a 50mm replacement coming.

(Too many "challenges" with the old L, as explained in another thread.)

Canon, you have my attention!

 

[Rick]

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Hopefully, the 50 will be better optimized for wide open shooting.

I can't imagine a need for a retooled non-L 70-300 that isn't implemented in the L version.

 

[Sporgon]

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Count me in on a new 50. I'll even pay the EAP. My 50/1.4 is a superb lens, but I've never had it fixed since the AF went a bit feeble and hesitant and since dropping it it now has a de centring issue.

Hopefully, the 50 will be better optimized for wide open shooting.

That's certainly not what I want. The current lens is superb across the frame from about f/3.5 onwards; the new one had better be the same. I expect a small improvement in faster IQ, maybe achievable by not making it so fast in the first place, ie an f/1.8 or 2. How about an f/1.7 just for marketing purposes ?

The 50 1.2L is optimised for shooting open, and you are welcome to it.

 

[preppyak]

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@Liv_Img: If you compare the FD 1.4, "new FD 1.4" and the EF 1.4 they have the exact same design, # elements, minimum focus distance, cost, etc.

Yep, as someone who uses the FD SSC version for my micro-four thirds work, I can confirm that the image quality is as good (maybe even a little better) in the old versions.

Neither is up to the standards of a 50mp sensor unless you like a certain vintage look, and so I imagine any 50mm update with be like the 24/28/35 updates to be optimized for high resolution. Of course, the trickle down is that a lens that resolves well at 50mp is spectacular at 20 or 22 or 24mp as well

 

[NorbR]

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Well, better get the credit card ready for pre-order of that 50mm ... ok, maybe let's see the price first. But if we get the equivalent of the 35mm f/2 IS, same quality at or around the same price, I'm in. Just make sure that it's sharp at f/2 (doesn't matter to me if it starts there or not ...), has latest gen IS, and USM, and take my money.

 

[scyrene]

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Okay, I am seriously thinking about a 50mm prime. I was not considering any of Canon's current offerings, but this is interesting news!

Similar to me! As I am not in a hurry I have time to wait and see.

my bet..50f2 IS stm....

omg. I fear you my be right but let's hope not so... :'(

Please let it be
- ring USM
- at least f1.8 or wider
- IS if possible

Otherwise I'm out

The difference between f/1.8 and f/2 is really that big a deal?

 

[Viggo]

Re: New 50mm & 70-300mm Coming Soon? [CR2]

Sold my 50 ART yesterday, I say that's good timing... ;D

 

[JonAustin]

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I can't imagine a need for a retooled non-L 70-300 that isn't implemented in the L version.

I would imagine that the "need" is market demand for a higher quality model than the current version, in a less-expensive lens than the L. (That market segment being willing to forgo L-quality optics, build and features for a lower price.)

But I also wonder if Canon updates some of these older, lower-end lenses, to maintain a smaller set of common core components, to keep inventory / inventory management costs down.

 

[lintoni]

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Sold my 50 ART yesterday, I say that's good timing... ;D

So, you finally had enough of the inconsistent AF?

 

[sdsr]

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* 70-300: While I'm happy that my good ol' 70-300L won't be obsoleted during the next days, the lack of an "L" update is puzzling as this lens imho isn't sharp enough for the upcoming 50mp sensor.

Maybe your standards are higher than mine, or something will happen at 50mp that doesn't at 36mp, but I'm rather impressed by the images my 70-300L makes via my Sony a7r (the ergonomics of that combination are another matter, though!).

A new 50mm 1.4 with IS would be nice, but presumably we'll get a 50mm f2 IS for $800 whose price will, if we're lucky, drop by 33% in a year.

 

[jeffa4444]

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My money is on a 50mm f1.4 IS lens like the 24mm, 28mm & 35mm so expect pricing to be in that area i.e. higher than the current 50mm f1.4. This would lift the gap between the 50mm f1.8 even wider so they should fill this with a 50mm f 1.8 with metal mount and STM like the 40mm f2.8 STM.

 

[lw]

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I would like to see a EF 50mm F2 IS
This would be consistent with Canon's updating of its prime line in recent years, bringing out IS versions.

 

[wsmith96]

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I'm looking forward to the 50. I have the non-L 70-300 IS and it's okay out to about 250mm. After that it's really soft. I'm betting they fix that and make it STM.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

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Better late than never. 8) But I could not stand it to wait, and replace my Canon 50mm F1.4 for the great Sigma Art.

Canon 70-300mm can benefit from STM focus speed, as did the wonderful 55-250mm STM, keeping the price below the model L.

 

[Viggo]

Re: New 50mm & 70-300mm Coming Soon? [CR2]

Sold my 50 ART yesterday, I say that's good timing... ;D

So, you finally had enough of the inconsistent AF?

Absolutely! I was wearing out my shutter trying to figure it out, optically it's very near perfect as 50 can be, but I just couldn't do it any more

 

[Marsu42]

Re: New 50mm & 70-300mm Coming Soon? [CR2]

* 70-300: While I'm happy that my good ol' 70-300L won't be obsoleted during the next days, the lack of an "L" update is puzzling as this lens imho isn't sharp enough for the upcoming 50mp sensor.

Maybe your standards are higher than mine, or something will happen at 50mp that doesn't at 36mp, but I'm rather impressed by the images my 70-300L makes via my Sony a7r (the ergonomics of that combination are another matter, though!).

The 70-300L is a great lens at a very good combination with current sensors. However, if you pixel peep vs. primes like the 100L or premium zooms like the 70-200L, there is a difference (no, my lens isn't broken).

99% of the time this doesn't matter or show on ff, but you if you use the 70-300L on crop it's "outresolved" wide open and stepping down to f5.6 is required to get best images. That's why I'm guessing the same thing would apply to a 50mp sensor.

 

[lintoni]

Re: New 50mm & 70-300mm Coming Soon? [CR2]

Sold my 50 ART yesterday, I say that's good timing... ;D

So, you finally had enough of the inconsistent AF?

Absolutely! I was wearing out my shutter trying to figure it out, optically it's very near perfect as 50 can be, but I just couldn't do it any more

I've seen a few people post who have swapped their 35 Art for the 35 f/2 IS and have no regrets - hopefully Canon's new 50mm will be similarly good!