New 50mm & 70-300mm Coming Soon? [CR2]

[TWI by Dustin Abbott]

Re: New 50mm & 70-300mm Coming Soon? [CR2]

After reviewing basically all of the modern 50mm options (I should have the Yongnuo in the next day or so to add to that list), I'm still most interested in a 50mm version of the 35IS. If Canon can do that in a similar form factor (and I think they can), they will get my money.

 

[LOALTD]

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Why is everyone insisting this is slower than f/1.4?

24mm f/2.8 replaced by 24mm f/2.8 IS
28mm f/2.8 replaced by 28mm f/2.8 IS
35mm f/2.0 replaced by 35mm f/2.0 IS

Now.

50mm f/1.4 replaced by 50mm f/2.0 IS? Really? Why? That would be a boring optic. Less wide than the 35mm and not any faster, boring.

 

[burb72]

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Its kinda tricky for them if they release a 1.4 50 is, no one would buy the 1.2 50 unless it had is and was updated as well. There has to be a significant difference between the 1.2 and 1.4.But they probably have a whole group of folks devoted to figuring this out. The 50 1.2 needs updated, but it seems to be holding its own against the sigma art 50.
I dont think it can be a 1.4, it will probably be a 1.8 or a 2.0. But then everything might change when canon is sporting a 50mp sensor. Then canon will need a sharp 50 1.2 wide open with IS.

 

[dlee13]

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I abandoned the 50mm focal length for the 35mm FL (the 35mm f2 IS) and to hear about a possible 50mm f1.4 update is more than intriguing.

Although I wouldn't mind a 50mm f2 IS, a f1.4 with or without IS would be even better. I don't want something heavy though, I've gotten so used to the 35 and it's the perfect weight for a carry around lens. I told myself I'd wait for the the 85 1.8 update, but I may have to give into temptation if the 50 is just what I like.

 

[dlee13]

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What optical formula will Canon use for a new 50mm lens?

The same design as was used previously in the 1.4/1.8?

Or something new like Otus/Art?

I think the forumla they used for the 35 IS would be most likely. If they do, the IQ will definitely be amazing. They would just need to address the strong vignette wide open.

 

[DJL329]

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So according to the Canon Museum the EF lens was released in 1993, but it was optically the same as the FD lens which goes back to the 1970's - the original FD lens to 1971 and the New FD lens (the only change was the lens mount) to 1979.

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/fdlenses/50mm.htm

I think Canon has one serious problem with the 50 lineup: They can't update the 1.4 before the 1.2 L, because if they update the 1.4 it will be better optically than the 1.2 L, thus killing it.

I don't think so, that's the beauty of their business model: People will keep buying their "premium" model even though by technical specs or usage scenario, there often is hardly any reason to do so. Look at the price of the old 50mm f1.0... they'll just keep the f1.2 as "red ring" and an updated f1.4 as "golden ring", problem solved.

Its kinda tricky for them if they release a 1.4 50 is, no one would buy the 1.2 50 unless it had is and was updated as well. There has to be a significant difference between the 1.2 and 1.4.But they probably have a whole group of folks devoted to figuring this out. The 50 1.2 needs updated, but it seems to be holding its own against the sigma art 50.
I dont think it can be a 1.4, it will probably be a 1.8 or a 2.0. But then everything might change when canon is sporting a 50mp sensor. Then canon will need a sharp 50 1.2 wide open with IS.

Another possibility I recall being posited last year was that the new Canon 50mm would be a "1.4L" -- replacing both the the 1.2L and the 1.4 -- leaving the 1.8 (or its successor) as the consumer 50mm.

With the success of the Otus 55mm and the 50mm Art, both of which are 1.4, I think it's at least plausible.

 

[jhanken]

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Why is everyone insisting this is slower than f/1.4?

24mm f/2.8 replaced by 24mm f/2.8 IS
28mm f/2.8 replaced by 28mm f/2.8 IS
35mm f/2.0 replaced by 35mm f/2.0 IS

Now.

50mm f/1.4 replaced by 50mm f/2.0 IS? Really? Why? That would be a boring optic. Less wide than the 35mm and not any faster, boring.

Couldn't agree more with that sentiment. My 50mm F/1.4 (the EX lens from Sigma) fills two important roles for me, 1) stopping action in low light (IS is not the same thing as access to a decent shutter speed in this regard), and 2) allowing for creating depth of focus. Even the vignetting you get wide open is part of the feel of a 50mm. The idea of a 50mm f/2 would be a snoozefest for sure.

 

[Solar Eagle]

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Another possibility I recall being posited last year was that the new Canon 50mm would be a "1.4L" -- replacing both the the 1.2L and the 1.4 -- leaving the 1.8 (or its successor) as the consumer 50mm.

My guess is the 40mm STM is meant to eventually fill the super cheap\light prime role that the current 50 1.8 fills, leaving the new 50 1.8 IS to sit with the consumer IS prime (24/28/35/50), and like you say the next L 50 will be 1.4.

 

[Hjalmarg1]

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Another possibility I recall being posited last year was that the new Canon 50mm would be a "1.4L" -- replacing both the the 1.2L and the 1.4 -- leaving the 1.8 (or its successor) as the consumer 50mm.

My guess is the 40mm STM is meant to eventually fill the super cheap\light prime role that the current 50 1.8 fills, leaving the new 50 1.8 IS to sit with the consumer IS prime (24/28/35/50), and like you say the next L 50 will be 1.4.

If Canon releases a 50mm f1.8 IS with the IQ of the 35mm f2 IS will simply take my money.

 

[cellomaster27]

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I'm just glad that I sold my 50mm 1.8 and held off on the 50mm 1.4. Actually sold the 50 1.8 almost 2 years ago now.. great iq but too plasticky for me. I do hope that they keep it at 1.8 or 1.4. Honestly don't really care for IS? but it wouldn't hurt. All I don't want to see is an f2... but that's me.

 

[JonAustin]

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Why is everyone insisting this is slower than f/1.4?

To try to keep from being disappointed, if the new 50 isn't as fast as they want / hope / expect / need ...

I've updated a lot of my lens lineup over the past 6 months, and the newer models are simply outstanding. Like Dustin Abbott, if the new 50 follows in the tradition of the 35 f/2 IS, I'm buying.

@ Marsu42: I don't think Canon uses the golden ring in their later lens designs any more, but I get what you're saying, and I concur with your post.

 

[Viggo]

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I would update all three 50's in ONE announcement now. To make a great 50 f1.4, but that would kill the 1.2, so I would do a kick ass retrofocal 50 L to distance it from the 1.4. And update the built and a slight IQ improvement of the 1.8.

That way they would all make sense to buy in 2015. And WHAT a splash that would make for an announcement.

 

[Antono Refa]

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The 50mm f/1.2 is a niche portrait lens, smaller brother of the 85mm f/1.2, and doesn't compete with the other 50mm lenses.

I see no problem for Canon leaving it while (a) upgrading the 50mm f/1.4 with IS, ring USM, and IQ, and (b) introducing a $1,000 50mm f/1.4 to compete with the Zeiss Otus, Sigma 50mm Art, and Nikon 58mm.

Looking at it another way - people who want a sharp fast 50mm lens like the Otus aren't going to buy the 50mm f/1.2 anyway, and vice versa.

The f/1.8 is on the shelves for the same reason the 75-300mm lenses are still there - people buy it because it's cheap, and Canon makes it because it's profitable as it already covered the R&D and manufacturing line setup expenses.

 

[Crosswind]

50mm for everyday-purposes

If it's 1.4, non-L it will cost less than the Sigma, be smaller and lighter, and perform almost as well. I'll probably buy one whatever it is.

yea same here... now I was looking for a nice little 50 with USM or STM autofocus for "everyday-purposes"...

The Sigma 50mm ART lens is basically all I want, it's relatively cheap and it has impressive IQ even wide-open, but it's also waaaaay too big and bulky for that matter.

The Canon EF 35mm 1:2 IS USM would be PERFECT in terms of size and weight, but I already have a very good Samyang 35mm f/1.4.

Sadly, the Samyang 35mm f/1.4 doesn't have autofocus and therefore I'm not really frequently using it (and it's also a big one), but I still love (and need) it, especially for night-photography, because of it's outstanding IQ and very good coma-correction even wide-open.

I would update all three 50's in ONE announcement now. WHAT a splash that would make for an announcement.

Absolutely!

Y'guys n' gals think something like a brand-new Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 IS USM is possible for under 700 bucks? I think so!

It doesn't have to be that lens with a red ring on it, with a rounded 9-blade diaphragm and all that "pro stuff" and it doesn't have to be all-metal... I've just never seen an ultra-fast f/1.4 lens with an image stabilizer... now that would be something completely new on the market... and a best-seller for Canon i.m.o. ! WHY NOT

edit: ...though I don't think that'll ever happen, at least not in the near future. One can only dream...

 

[Memdroid]

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Just omit the 50L and the F1.4 lenses and combine them in one single killer lens with IS. It does not need the sharpness of the Sigma Art. Just better than the current Canon offerings and improvements in the creamy bokeh, solid built quality and a decent size like the 50L version als in a sub $1200 package.

 

[mrzero]

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Why is everyone insisting this is slower than f/1.4?

24mm f/2.8 replaced by 24mm f/2.8 IS
28mm f/2.8 replaced by 28mm f/2.8 IS
35mm f/2.0 replaced by 35mm f/2.0 IS

Now.

50mm f/1.4 replaced by 50mm f/2.0 IS? Really? Why? That would be a boring optic. Less wide than the 35mm and not any faster, boring.

If it is a 50mm f/2 or f/1.8 IS, I don't think it will be replacing the 1.4. It would be replacing the 1.8. The other three lenses were not gold-ring "USM" series like the 50mm 1.4 is. Those lenses (20mm/2.8, 28mm/1.8, 50mm/1.4, and so on) would be ripe for an update after the IS primes were all released.

At least, that was the thinking before this other rumor that the new 50 will be a non-IS nifty-fifty replacement.

 

[sdsr]

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* 70-300: While I'm happy that my good ol' 70-300L won't be obsoleted during the next days, the lack of an "L" update is puzzling as this lens imho isn't sharp enough for the upcoming 50mp sensor.

Maybe your standards are higher than mine, or something will happen at 50mp that doesn't at 36mp, but I'm rather impressed by the images my 70-300L makes via my Sony a7r (the ergonomics of that combination are another matter, though!).

The 70-300L is a great lens at a very good combination with current sensors. However, if you pixel peep vs. primes like the 100L or premium zooms like the 70-200L, there is a difference (no, my lens isn't broken).

99% of the time this doesn't matter or show on ff, but you if you use the 70-300L on crop it's "outresolved" wide open and stepping down to f5.6 is required to get best images. That's why I'm guessing the same thing would apply to a 50mp sensor.

I realize there are other, sharper/better lenses, and I wasn't trying to suggest that the 70-300L couldn't be improved. I was merely questioning your implication (or maybe it was my erroneous inference) that the images one takes with it will look worse on a 50MP than they do on a current sensor when they don't on a 36MP sensor. I guess we'll find out before long.

 

[Antono Refa]

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Well the L version of the 24mm and 35mm are f/1.4, which is still a significant gap preserving the demand. If they made a 50mm f/1.4 IS with similar quality to the 35mm f/2 IS, there would be little reason to buy the f/1.2L with no practical advantage for the cost. You gain 1/3 stop but lose pretty much everywhere else.

If it were f/1.4 IS it would have to replace both the f/1.4 and the f/1.2L and cost around $1000. The other option which I'd prefer to see is a f/1.8-f/2 IS similar in price and quality to the 24/28/35 IS primes at around $500. This would be a replacement for the current f/1.4 but still preserve demand for the bargain f/1.8 II, and the f/1.2L until it is eventually replaced,

Weather sealing? The bokeh of a specialty portrait lens?

 

[Chapman Baxter]

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I can't see Canon launching a new 50mm f/1.4 with another double-Gauss design. I feel sure they want to take a slice of the Sigma's and Zeiss's high performance market segment with a similarly complex retrofocus design and an L designation. Needless to say, such a lens would bear no comparison with the current Canon 50mm f/1.4 in size, weight, complexity or cost.

I should think Canon could produce an f/1.2 lens with a retrofocus design like the Sigma and Zeiss but can you imagine how big and costly such a lens would be? My prediction is that Canon's replacement for the 50mm f/1.2L will be a 50mm f/1.4L with a retrofocus design and probably no IS, priced comfortably in excess of the current f/1.2L

For the new non-L, my guess is an IS lens with similar performance, build and optical design to the 35mm f/2 IS, with either an f/1.8 or f/2 aperture. Since this would obviously be priced much higher than the current 50mm f.1.8, perhaps Canon might continue producing the current nifty fifty to cater for smaller budgets.