New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?

[RunAndGun]

If the new lens does come in at the range I've heard(wider and longer than the Fuji Cabrio 19-90 and Canon 24-105), it will be very useful. It's still not in the range of our higher end 2/3" ENG lenses(I own two Fujinon 13x4.5's which are 4.5mm to 59mm and a Fujinon 22x7.8 which is 7.8mm to 172mm. And they have built-in 2x extenders and macro capabilities), but nothing really exists in that range for s35 cine anyway.

BTW, NHK is supposed to be demonstrating OTA 8K for the first time outside of Japan next week at NAB. I definitely will be planning on checking that out.

 

[Etienne]

I'd be happy with a moderately-decent, powered 24-105 f/2.8 (FF equiv) cinema lens, made to match the C100. Get both for $5000 each, and that would be a great indie doc base kit at $10,000.

Is that really too much to ask?

 

[Policar]

I'd be happy with a moderately-decent, powered 24-105 f/2.8 (FF equiv) cinema lens, made to match the C100. Get both for $5000 each, and that would be a great indie doc base kit at $10,000.

Is that really too much to ask?

Unfortunately, probably. The closest thing (26-120mm f2.8 equivalent) weighs 15lbs and costs $90,000.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/840523-REG/Fujinon_hk4_7x18_f_18_85mm_T2_0_Premier_PL.html

 

[Etienne]

I'd be happy with a moderately-decent, powered 24-105 f/2.8 (FF equiv) cinema lens, made to match the C100. Get both for $5000 each, and that would be a great indie doc base kit at $10,000.

Is that really too much to ask?

Unfortunately, probably. The closest thing (26-120mm f2.8 equivalent) weighs 15lbs and costs $90,000.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/840523-REG/Fujinon_hk4_7x18_f_18_85mm_T2_0_Premier_PL.html

I'm ok with f/2.8 instead of T/2.0 and I can accept some focus breathing, and a lower grade glass. Whatever they could do for $5000, it doesn't have to be perfect. Make it parfocal though!

 

[vscd]

I'd be happy with a moderately-decent, powered 24-105 f/2.8 (FF equiv) cinema lens, made to match the C100. Get both for $5000 each, and that would be a great indie doc base kit at $10,000.

Is that really too much to ask?

Unfortunately, probably. The closest thing (26-120mm f2.8 equivalent) weighs 15lbs and costs $90,000.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/840523-REG/Fujinon_hk4_7x18_f_18_85mm_T2_0_Premier_PL.html

Remember, "Super 35mm" is APS-C, only... it just sounds like fullframe. So this isn't even something close to compare. 8)

 

[Policar]

I'd be happy with a moderately-decent, powered 24-105 f/2.8 (FF equiv) cinema lens, made to match the C100. Get both for $5000 each, and that would be a great indie doc base kit at $10,000.

Is that really too much to ask?

Unfortunately, probably. The closest thing (26-120mm f2.8 equivalent) weighs 15lbs and costs $90,000.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/840523-REG/Fujinon_hk4_7x18_f_18_85mm_T2_0_Premier_PL.html

Remember, "Super 35mm" is APS-C, only... it just sounds like fullframe. So this isn't even something close to compare. 8)

What are you talking about? He said "FF equivalent" of a 24-105mm f2.8, which this would be (approximately) once factoring in crop factor for Super35.

 

[RunAndGun]

My rep said it was probably going to be either 17-110 or 20-120, BUT it's 17-120 T2.95. And list is $33K. Not bad… Less expensive and wider range than the Fuji Cabrio 19-90. Now we'll just have to see how it stacks up optically. The Fuji's are excellent.

 

[Etienne]

My rep said it was probably going to be either 17-110 or 20-120, BUT it's 17-120 T2.95. And list is $33K. Not bad… Less expensive and wider range than the Fuji Cabrio 19-90. Now we'll just have to see how it stacks up optically. The Fuji's are excellent.

I'm sure it will be a fantastic lens, but I'd like something smaller, lighter and cheaper, even if it is only 17-70, and the glass is not quite as good. An ENG / Doc lens that indies can afford, and use with no help from a crew ... $5000. A lens that would transform the C100 into a light weight ENG cam. If I get the C100 I may go for the soon-to-be-released tamron 16-300 3.5 - 6.3 for a GP lens. I'm sure canon could do a better version of the Tamron and add a power zoom. 16-135 f/4 or 16-60 f/2.8 would be awesome.

The 17-120 t/2.95 is US$32,000 and weighs 3 kg ! Put that on a C100 with rig, mic and batteries, and you're heading to 15-20 lbs. And you'll intimidate a lot of subjects too. All said, I'd love one, ... and someone to carry it too.

I'm leaning to the XF200 paired with my 5D3 .
I am still considering C100 to pair with 5D3, but I want an all-in-one fast-response package.
The C100 would be great paired to the XF200, but I don't want to give up my 5D3, and can't justify both a C100 and a XF200 right now.

 

[RunAndGun]

It's not always just about weight. My ENG camera(lens, battery, VF) is 25-30 lbs and I can shoot a lot longer(and better) than I can with my C300 that clocks in around 10lbs(grip, batt, LCD, and a lens).

That being said, at this point in time, I don't see this lens becoming a part of my arsenal. Even as ideal as it would be for one of the shows I occasionally work on with the C300(and their rate really doesn't justify it).

 

[Etienne]

It's not always just about weight. My ENG camera(lens, battery, VF) is 25-30 lbs and I can shoot a lot longer(and better) than I can with my C300 that clocks in around 10lbs(grip, batt, LCD, and a lens).

That being said, at this point in time, I don't see this lens becoming a part of my arsenal. Even as ideal as it would be for one of the shows I occasionally work on with the C300(and their rate really doesn't justify it).

What are you using for ENG now? What would you get out of the new stuff?
Right now I have a 5D3 and EF lenses (16-35, 24-105, 70-200 2.8, 2x teleconverter, 28 2.8 IS, 35 f/2.0 IS, 50 1.4, 100 2.8 macro), EOS-M with adapter, and 60D, Tokina 50-135 2.8, Tokina 11-16) and a bunch of other gear (audio, tripods , etc).

I do some event coverage, and documentaries. I want to do more of this. I have been thinking of the C100, at least my lenses would be useful. But I'd also like to have something all-in-one, quick to grab, with a GP all around lens. Thinking of the XA20 or XF200, or maybe even just a little Panasonic camcorder. Not sure what to do. C300 is too much $. Don't know much about the new Panasonic GH4 (with the audio add-on) but I suspect this cam is over-hyped.

What do you think?

 

[RunAndGun]

What are you using for ENG now? What would you get out of the new stuff?
Right now I have a 5D3 and EF lenses (16-35, 24-105, 70-200 2.8, 2x teleconverter, 28 2.8 IS, 35 f/2.0 IS, 50 1.4, 100 2.8 macro), EOS-M with adapter, and 60D, Tokina 50-135 2.8, Tokina 11-16) and a bunch of other gear (audio, tripods , etc).

I do some event coverage, and documentaries. I want to do more of this. I have been thinking of the C100, at least my lenses would be useful. But I'd also like to have something all-in-one, quick to grab, with a GP all around lens. Thinking of the XA20 or XF200, or maybe even just a little Panasonic camcorder. Not sure what to do. C300 is too much $. Don't know much about the new Panasonic GH4 (with the audio add-on) but I suspect this cam is over-hyped.

What do you think?

My 'bread and butter' camera is a Panasonic 2700(P2 VariCam) w/Fuji HA13x4.5. I bought the C300 mainly just for sit-down interviews and 'artsy b-roll' for feature pieces, but I do work on one show that specifies the C300 as THE camera(The bulk of that show should really be shot with a "real ENG" camera, but a lens like the 17-120 would help).

I've never shot extensively with a 5 for video. I have two mkII's and a mkIII, but I bought them for stills. But I have used my mkIII a few times for a third or fourth angle/lock-off. We've all seen the beautiful images that can be made with it, but I couldn't imagine trying to cover an event with one. I look at them primarily as a still cam, but if I look at it in the video sense, it should be more of a specialty camera (interviews, specialty shots/b-roll) not a general ENG camera substitute. You would be much better served with a true camcorder, like the XF200 you mentioned. The ergonomics would be MUCH better and the smaller sensor would help, too. A large sensor when trying to cover an event ENG style can be a hinderance. Wide aperture lenses wide open with a large sensor equals SHALLOW depth of field which can also equal frustration and missed/blown focus when you really need it.

 

[Etienne]

What are you using for ENG now? What would you get out of the new stuff?
Right now I have a 5D3 and EF lenses (16-35, 24-105, 70-200 2.8, 2x teleconverter, 28 2.8 IS, 35 f/2.0 IS, 50 1.4, 100 2.8 macro), EOS-M with adapter, and 60D, Tokina 50-135 2.8, Tokina 11-16) and a bunch of other gear (audio, tripods , etc).

I do some event coverage, and documentaries. I want to do more of this. I have been thinking of the C100, at least my lenses would be useful. But I'd also like to have something all-in-one, quick to grab, with a GP all around lens. Thinking of the XA20 or XF200, or maybe even just a little Panasonic camcorder. Not sure what to do. C300 is too much $. Don't know much about the new Panasonic GH4 (with the audio add-on) but I suspect this cam is over-hyped.

What do you think?

My 'bread and butter' camera is a Panasonic 2700(P2 VariCam) w/Fuji HA13x4.5. I bought the C300 mainly just for sit-down interviews and 'artsy b-roll' for feature pieces, but I do work on one show that specifies the C300 as THE camera(The bulk of that show should really be shot with a "real ENG" camera, but a lens like the 17-120 would help).

I've never shot extensively with a 5 for video. I have two mkII's and a mkIII, but I bought them for stills. But I have used my mkIII a few times for a third or fourth angle/lock-off. We've all seen the beautiful images that can be made with it, but I couldn't imagine trying to cover an event with one. I look at them primarily as a still cam, but if I look at it in the video sense, it should be more of a specialty camera (interviews, specialty shots/b-roll) not a general ENG camera substitute. You would be much better served with a true camcorder, like the XF200 you mentioned.

I'm worried about low light performance. I've got some of my favorite stuff when there's been almost no light. What do you think of a C100 ? No power zoom, but most everything else is there.

 

[RunAndGun]

I've never used the C100, but most that have them seem to love them and there's no doubt that the image it makes is very good. Personally, the ergonomics of the Cx00 series don't fit my shooting style, but others LOVE them and if you're one of those that do like it, you can probably do great things with it.

 

[Etienne]

I've never used the C100, but most that have them seem to love them and there's no doubt that the image it makes is very good. Personally, the ergonomics of the Cx00 series don't fit my shooting style, but others LOVE them and if you're one of those that do like it, you can probably do great things with it.

If low light performance is really good, I'll probably go with the XF200. The C100 low light is supposedly incredibly good, better than my 5DIII, so that is really tempting for me.

Ultimately, I think the best filming package for me would be both the XF200 and the C100, but I really want to keep my 5DIII, not just for stills, but I like the video from it as well and many times I am glad to have both in one package. Don't think I can swing keeping all three right now.