New EOS M Camera & Lens Make an Appearance

[TAF]

I still wish they would sell a round camera body the same size as the back cap.
It would turn pancake lenses into pancake cameras (at lest EF-M, EF lenses would be more of a hamburger camera), it would be great for most macro work on a tripod (where the less you touch the camera the better) and it would let the 400f5.6 fit in a water bottle pouch.

That is a brilliant idea. With a remote (tethered; WiFi would eat battery too quickly in such a small form factor) EVF and shutter button, that has lots of potential for covert photography or perhaps what might be called 'better angle' work (ie: you could put the camera up high or down low, clamped to a ladder or to say a golf club thing, and take pictures comfortably).

The Canon Cap. Coming soon to Amazon...

 

[Don Haines]

Yep. I'm seeing chatter of this being a 'Baby EOS-M'. Yikes. Downmarket it is.

- A

That's where the bulk of the sales are, especially when it comes to cameras which are built from the ground up to be smaller than SLR's. Small, light and cheap. I wouldn't be surprised to see this become a huge success within Japan, and do well in many other markets too.

The M3 has been out for a while now, but in Japan the M2 is selling better than the M3...and the M2 is smaller, lighter, and cheaper. What does that tell Canon?

If it had WiFi and the ability to do simple editing (crop/resize/brightness) and upload, I'd get one......

 

[gn100]

Don't they already have like three entry/basic level models (M, M2, M3)?? I thought that Canon dude recently said that Canon will be coming up with a serious mirrorless body everyone is waiting for. Is that it? How more basic they wanna go?

To date Canon have had one line of mirrorless...... I think this is the start of splitting to 2 or more lines - this will be the baby-M, where it's all about small size. What canon have been referring to (the highly desired mirrorless), is likely to be the big brother line. This "baby-M" will compete against compact cameras for the consumer level market, whereas big-brother M will better serve the enthusiast market.

I doubt this is a "replacement" for the M3. I'm actually optimistic, as it seems Canon may have recognised there are different groups of users interested in mirrorless ...... or maybe I'm just thinking too much!!?

 

[bf]

It seems that EF-M 15-45mm will be the first zoom lens pancake.

A camera that truly fits in your pocket?

It looks collapsable to me. If it shrinks this much, I think it will sell!

 

[casperl]

I also read Asian photography forum, let's just say people over there are much more enthusiastic about this news than here

And looks like it may be called EOS M10
http://support-my.canon-asia.com/contents/MY/EN/8202260900.html

 

[mrsfotografie]

That looks super tiny. This almost looks like a step downmarket rather than upmarket. This isn't the droid we're looking for...

http://digicame-info.com/2015/10/eos-m-ef-m15-45mm-f35-63-is-st.html

http://photorumors.com/2015/10/07/this-is-the-new-canon-eos-mirrorless-camera-m4-with-a-new-ef-m-15-45mm-lens/

- A

It's model name will be the EOS M0, since "4" is considered bad luck. Since the next model is a "0" (or "zero" for those lacking insight), it has to be a step down. Canon have decided that mirrorless is not the future and thus their strategy to fight against it is to produce pure junk that no one in their right mind would want to buy!

Why? What's wrong with a tiny camera that has a big sensor??? ;D

 

[Hjalmarg1]

The entire platform remains dead to me until I see an integral EVF and native EF-M lenses with USM. I just keep hoping each new version will offer that.

- A

Sony, Fuji and Olympus are way ahead in the mirrorless compact cameras. Very serous alternatives for entusiasts and travel. Canon disappoints again....
Simply they don't want to canibalize their DSRL entry level line.

 

[mrsfotografie]

It seems that EF-M 15-45mm will be the first zoom lens pancake.

A camera that truly fits in your pocket?

It looks collapsable to me. If it shrinks this much, I think it will sell!

It instantly reminds me of the Sony E PZ 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 OSS. That lens is a zoom-pancake. Optically it's terrible if left uncorrected by in-camera or post-processing. I suspect Canon is going down the same road wit this one...

 

[mrsfotografie]

Sony, Fuji and Olympus are way ahead in the mirrorless compact cameras. Very serous alternatives for entusiasts and travel.

+1

My Sony Alpha6000 is proving to be a very capable camera, a blessing especially now that I'm forced to leave my DSLR's at home because I'm recovering from a collarbone fracture. Image quality wise it beats Canon APS-C hands-down. That Sony sensor is fabulous.

 

[AvTvM]

While a reasonably priced "smallest possible APS-C sensored interchangeable lens EOS camera" with pancake kit-zoom does make a lot more sense than all those really clumsy Canon G powershots it will not do much for Canon. Target audience is not very likely to buy additional EF-M lenses. For that, they really really need a higher end, absolutely competitive EOS M "Pro" model with built-in EVF, top notch AF performance, responsiveness, user interface and control points. While still being very compact and easily affordable.

Canon should bring both simultaneously:
* cheap, tiny baby M with pancake kit zoom and
* M "Pro" along with a new EF-M prime - ideally an ultracompact portrait tele e.g. EF-M 80mm f/2.0 IS STM 8)

That would send the right signal to the market.

 

[Mr_Canuck]

I saw a sony a5000 for $399 next to an M3 for $999 today and had to laugh, or cry, or just think, c'mon Canon, get a grip on this.

 

[AvTvM]

I saw a sony a5000 for $399 next to an M3 for $999 today and had to laugh, or cry, or just think, c'mon Canon, get a grip on this.

Canon has heard you ... so the new "baby m" plus f/6.3 kitzoom might pe priced "really low" ... at 899 or 799 "only" ... ;D : :

 

[mrsfotografie]

I saw a sony a5000 for $399 next to an M3 for $999 today and had to laugh, or cry, or just think, c'mon Canon, get a grip on this.

Canon has heard you ... so the new "baby m" plus f/6.3 kitzoom might pe priced "really low" ... at 899 or 799 "only" ... ;D : :

But then, Sony makes a killing on their 'quality' E-mount lenses : My 35 F1.8 OSS and 16-70 ZA OSS for instance really were too expensive, but they do deliver optically.

 

[WorkonSunday]

one clear advantage of the sony pancake over its traditionally designed older counterpart 18-55mm is the small glass elements in the lens which allows it to focus rather fast. I'm hoping canon's new pancake can do the same.

 

[grainier]

That's not what we wait for you to deliver, Canon.

 

[Don Haines]

While a reasonably priced "smallest possible APS-C sensored interchangeable lens EOS camera" with pancake kit-zoom does make a lot more sense than all those really clumsy Canon G powershots it will not do much for Canon. Target audience is not very likely to buy additional EF-M lenses. For that, they really really need a higher end, absolutely competitive EOS M "Pro" model with built-in EVF, top notch AF performance, responsiveness, user interface and control points. While still being very compact and easily affordable.

Canon should bring both simultaneously:
* cheap, tiny baby M with pancake kit zoom and
* M "Pro" along with a new EF-M prime - ideally an ultracompact portrait tele e.g. EF-M 80mm f/2.0 IS STM 8)

That would send the right signal to the market.

Yes, but remember..... Most of the people who buy rebels never buy another lens.... At the time they sold their 150 millionth EF lens they were at 120 million EF cameras..... We people with a bag full of lenses are the abnormalities in the general scheme of things.

 

[lux]

I prefer unusual to abnormal...just sayin'

 

[FunkyCamera]

I saw a sony a5000 for $399 next to an M3 for $999 today and had to laugh, or cry, or just think, c'mon Canon, get a grip on this.

Well people aren't idiots, those are clearly the prices people are willing to pay for each of the cameras. The M3 is a far superior camera and the price reflects that.

 

[Loswr]

That's not what we wait for you to deliver, Canon.

Who is 'we'?

There's one person on this forum who thinks the next iteration in the line should be called the EOS AvTv-M, but Canon doesn't design cameras specifically for you or me or that guy.

 

[Nininini]

This is why no pros will ever switch from a proper Canon DSLR to a mirrorless - just like all mirrorless cameras this looks utterly pathetic and will probably perform even worse. Probably better than those junk toy Sonys though.

Not to mention a digital viewfinder uses up battery like crazy. For all the hoopla people are making about Sony mirrorless, their battery life is pathetic.