New EOS M Camera & Lens Make an Appearance
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Chaitanya said:
From Canon Watch :
The price for the double kit will be $849.99, the EF-M 15-45mm IS STM will sell at $299.99.
Two things to note: 1) the moniker EOS M10 suggests a new mirrorless line-up by Canon (entry-level line-up), 2) this is not the old Canon 18MP sensor of a few years ago. This is a new 18MP since it features Hybrid CMOS AF III.
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hachu21 said:
1. So that might mean a $500 price for the M10 and kit lens. Hopefully that little zoom lens can prove it's worth $300 alone.
2. This new 18MP sensor may be the one going into the Rebel SL2 coming later this year.
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There is no way they can run out of those 18mp sensors. It's going to take 18 years to finish the stockpile. LOLChaitanya said:
I would imagine the version being used has more AF points but overall the same image performance. The target market doesn't know anything about sensor tech and probably shoot JPEG.
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hachu21 said:
How is it unclear?
The entry level EOS cameras get the new Hybrid AF III sensors while the "prosumer" ones like the 70D and 7D Mark II get Duel Pixel AF. I'm hoping Canon adds a new version of their duel pixel sensors to a "pro" version of the EOS M sometime in the future.
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15-45mm f/3.5-6.3 seems like just a terrible lens. Limited zoom range AND extremely dim at the "long" end. On APS-C you're already on your way to substantial diffraction at f/6.3. Must be a design compromise to achieve ultimate pocketability. No thanks, Canon. Much prefer my iPhone 6+ for pocket camera duty and will go ahead and haul the 5D3 when IQ/AF are priorities.
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Hi ahsanford!ahsanford said:... looks like a step downmarket rather than upmarket. This isn't the droid we're looking for...
Hi to all other!
Not reading through all other comments I'll make it short:
Let's hope that this "downmarket" product will cause Canon such a great success and market share that they will feel the ultimate urge to give these potentional "upmarket" consumers a real killer upmarket EOS-M that'll fullfill "our" needs (whatever you define as your needs).
Maybe in late 2016 but I'll expect 2017 at the earliest.
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iron-t said:
Disagree. Kit zooms are typically around 3x for the FL multiplier, and Canon just (wisely) shifted the 3x to the wider side of things. A 15mm crop wide end (24mm FF equivalent) is an improvement for the tourist who can't get the entire cathedral, mountain, etc. in frame with the 18-55. Back in my rebel kit days, I was much more frustrated the 18 was not wide enough far more than the 55 was not long enough, so I see this as a positive change.
And a Canon crop sensor behind even the most inexpensive kit lens will still mop the floor with a fixed aperture, non-optically zooming iPhone 6+. Even my old T1i takes better shots than my 6+ does. The 6+ is a wonderful camera, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't remotely stack up to a crop SLR.
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ahsanford said:
These people would be much better off buying an A6000 with an actual viewfinder, a hotshoe, a better lens, and an actual grip. A 15-45 is not a convenient carry round lens.
I have a hard time understanding the audience for this camera too. Very expensive, weird focal range for a kit lens, no viewfinder, no hotshoe, only 18MP, same horrible mount adapter that makes EF-S lenses focus super slowly. No grip, have fun mounting expensive EF-S lenses and dropping them when this 300gram thing tips over.
Who is the audience for this thing. Suckers?
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Nininini said:
This is an entry level mirrorless camera targeted at an audience wanting to upgrade from their cell phone camera or a small sensor P&S. The 15-45mm IS STM pancake zoom lens makes the combo pocketable and less intimidating to the audience its targeted at. Canon is doing what it should have done from the beginning with the EOS M line, making multiple EOS M bodies to appeal to different audiences
. Hopefully a "pro" M body will come soon as well as some more EF-M primes.
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Sibir Lupus said:
Makes no sense, there are plenty of better cameras out there, with an actual viewfinder, grip and hotshoe.
Sony A6000, Panasonic GX7, etc.
Even P&S like all of Panasonic's newest Lumix, feature a GRIP+VIEWFINDER.
It's a bare minimum nowadays.
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Nininini said:
The A6000 isn't an entry level mirrorless. And if that "better lens" you're referring to is the Sony 16-50mm power zoom lens then that may not be true. Reviews has said it has vignetting and barrel distortion which when shot in RAW are far worse due to the lens correction profile not being applied. Only time will tell if Canon was able to overcome those issues with their EF-M 15-45mm lens.
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Nininini said:
The Panasonic GX7 was not a roughly $500 camera when it came out, so again not an entry level mirrorless. Also, the GX7/GX8 and that Lumix have smaller sensors so an EVF was possible to add even though that Lumix EVF looks tiny. I do agree that they should have at least put some sort of grip on the front of the M10 though. The M10 looks to be even smaller then the M2 so the fact that Canon was able to add a popup flash to the M10 is a wonder in itself.
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The thing about the M line is that it appeals to existing to Canon users. They can use existing lens and equipment. But they dumbed this thing down that no existing Canon user would wanna buy this thing unless its sold at firesale prices.
The only positive is that canon is now taking mirrorless seriously. At this rate, we might see a full frame mirrorless in 5 years.
The only positive is that canon is now taking mirrorless seriously. At this rate, we might see a full frame mirrorless in 5 years.
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Oh well, so now we got two overpriced entry level M's. :
" ... Going forward, and this would be a repeat of what I said before, but we will put more effort into mirrorless, and also, naturally, we will continue to expand the EF-M lens group. In the very near future, I think that Canon will come out with a mirrorless camera that you would really like."
http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2015/09/16/canon-maeda-promises-eos-m-enthusiasts-more-aps-c-lenses-new-printers
If masaya maeda truly believes any of us would "really like" this M10 ... then Canon is in even deeper sh*t than i thought possible. I really thought he was hinting at a higher end M body. Maybe even competitive with fuji xt1, samsung NX-1 and sony a6000.
" ... Going forward, and this would be a repeat of what I said before, but we will put more effort into mirrorless, and also, naturally, we will continue to expand the EF-M lens group. In the very near future, I think that Canon will come out with a mirrorless camera that you would really like."
http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2015/09/16/canon-maeda-promises-eos-m-enthusiasts-more-aps-c-lenses-new-printers
If masaya maeda truly believes any of us would "really like" this M10 ... then Canon is in even deeper sh*t than i thought possible. I really thought he was hinting at a higher end M body. Maybe even competitive with fuji xt1, samsung NX-1 and sony a6000.
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I seriously don't get it. Whoever wanted to get a basic Canon mirrorless has already bought M, M2 and/or M3. For everyone else there is plenty of choice with good pricing. I bet those with Canon glass would've been more impressed with a more sophisticated body from Canon. I was expecting a flagship body and a price drop for current M3 (moving it to a more affordable category). Even being loaded with Canon glass, with $500 USD pricing for new M10, I'd rather look at a6000 with an adapter for my travel needs. IMO, a commitment to mirorrless platform would've been more convincing with a cutting edge prosumer body challenging tech from Sony and Samsung, rather than this unimpressive pocket weight.
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Scrup: absolutely agree on that.
As a Canon user, I'm looking for even smaller and lighter device than original M, but continuing in that line, maintaining certain qualities and getting something new with new body. That should be obvious to Canon, that there is good amount of people like this.
BUT fully plastic body, no hotshoe, and "that old sensor" even when it's good enaugh, it's clearly trolling from Canon side. Sad and pathetic. I hope that the rumor is false.
As a Canon user, I'm looking for even smaller and lighter device than original M, but continuing in that line, maintaining certain qualities and getting something new with new body. That should be obvious to Canon, that there is good amount of people like this.
BUT fully plastic body, no hotshoe, and "that old sensor" even when it's good enaugh, it's clearly trolling from Canon side. Sad and pathetic. I hope that the rumor is false.
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