New EOS M Camera & Lens Make an Appearance
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5D2-shooter said:
For 15-45 it is wait and see ... reviews.
As far as the currently available EF-M lenses go, I have to strongly disagree. Got all 4 in active use and find all of them remarkably good, compact and excellent value. Speed/max. aperture is of course limited by size and weight - miracles in optics/physics are rare.
* 11-22: best IQ and most compact APS-C UWW zoom currently on the market
* 22/2: excellent IQ and smallest lens of its kind (with AF) on the market and very low cost
* 18-55: best APS-C kit zoom currently on the market; smaller than EF-S STM equivalent
* 55-200: surprisingly good and compact; way smaller, lighter and better than e.g. Fuji 50-230 [f/6.7 btw!]
overall Canon EF-M lens lineup is really good. With only 4 lenses focal lengths between 11 and 200mm are covered. Anything beyond that would either be really big and/or really expensive. An EF-M 18-135 / 3.5-5.6 may be missing for some and for me a compact portrait tele like an EF-M 80/2.0 IS STM please.
For similar optical performance or larger aperture primes you'll pay an arm and a leg at Fuji or Zeiss Touit. And those lenses are larger/heavier ... of course. Mainly for those who still want aperture rings and distance scale windows and similar analogue cruft. Most Sony E-mount (APS-C) lenses including some with "Zeiss badge" do not offer comparable IQ and are - of course - not smaller either. AGain optiocal miracles are rare ... more often they turn out to a mirage.
What I am waiting for is a high end M body. Built-in OVF, better AF system, better battery life, and overall size not larger than M3.
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lw said:
Just saw this from DPReview. Good to see that they left the flip screen from the M3 and gave it a popup flash. Sort of resembles the G7X with an interchangeable lens mount
. As for the EF-M 15-45mm, I was hoping it would be about as small as the EF-M 22mm F2. But then that would have meant no manual focus ring. Seeing that it is a bit bigger, I'm hoping Canon didn't have to make the same optical compromises that Sony made on their 16-50mm power zoom lens.
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ashmadux
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Rocky said:
(Looks at massive collection of personal images created with m1, giggles at the naysayers)
I dont mind complaints about making a product better, but sheesh these guys in here go overboard. And like you said, most have never even touched one. Jokers.
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I have the original M and it works well for what I use it for...but increasingly one of its biggest drawbacks for me is the lack of a flip screen. I got a chance to play around with the M3 and while I liked the added flexibility of its flip screen, it was noticeably bigger in size (and the AF didn't seem to be a big improvement). I'm in the minority but a large appeal of the original M to me was its small size. I already have my FF DSLRs if I'm going to carry around something larger...so if this new, smaller M10 has a flip screen, adds WiFi, retains the feature set of the original M, and has a reasonable price (< $500), I just might go for this one. Even with the lack of a hot shoe...if the flash has bounce capability, even better.
I'm also intrigued by this new 15-45. My biggest frustration with the 18-55 is that I encounter numerous instances where 18 just isn't wide enough, especially when forced to hold the camera in front of me (further narrowing the FOV). However, it sucks that the 15-45 is only 6.3 at the long end (why?)...I hope the optics are at least on par with the 18-55. Nevertheless, If the M10/15-45 combo comes in at $500 or less, I just might "upgrade". (For some reason I think it'll be more though...)
I'm also intrigued by this new 15-45. My biggest frustration with the 18-55 is that I encounter numerous instances where 18 just isn't wide enough, especially when forced to hold the camera in front of me (further narrowing the FOV). However, it sucks that the 15-45 is only 6.3 at the long end (why?)...I hope the optics are at least on par with the 18-55. Nevertheless, If the M10/15-45 combo comes in at $500 or less, I just might "upgrade". (For some reason I think it'll be more though...)
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H. Jones said:
What I mean is that if I'm getting f/6.3 max aperture at the long end, I would expect the long end to be a bit longer than 45mm. The focal length itself isn't the problem--like you I use the 24-70mm f/2.8 II all the time. I use primes all the time too. But the last time I used any lens with a max aperture of f/6.3 it was an 18-200mm.
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It looks like a nice P&S with exchangeable lenses. With its tilt-screen it is even ready for selfies. Just price is below 500 EUR and it will become successful. For me it looks like the evolution of the PowerShot S120.
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AvTvM said:oh wow, first Canon EOS camera with a "direct phone" button. How very INNOVATIVE, Canon!;D
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BTW, the good folks at CanonWatch are alleging that the 15-45 lens is retractable. What on earth are they getting at? The pictures are already showing it in the most compact form, aren't they?
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Iron-t that is exactly why your 24-70 isn't pocketable. Physics. This "dim' lens still provides more light to the image sensor than what 1.8-2.8 lens from G16 does. Then you have more resolution, and the lens will be propanly significantly sharper than that one from G16. AAAAnd it will provide better image even on lower ISO speeds. I call that success, if it will be priced in G16 range, and it will compete with G7X. At base ISO speed, this one should still win, and then it should not loose. That's good position.
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I'm going to sit and wait for Canon to either come up with better specified M cameras for the money they are asking, or for their existing late to the game M cameras to drop significantly in price. The M3 is a Sony a5000 from a few years back, but at twice to three times the price depending on US or Canada location. With four lenses available.
I'm super excited by the prospect of the 11-22 lens. It is the tiniest on the market for apsc. It would be a super setup for hiking. But they just need to at least catch up to the market with mirrorless. The M3 at $400 would be that, but it's a thousand bucks in Canada! They are way behind. They should be bundling the external EVF for free, not to mention the EF adapter, at better prices – in both US and Canada. I might just buy the 11-22 lens (which is cheaper in Canada go figure) and wait for either a new body or current M3 body at competitive price. I see the EVF included on the US canon site, so perhaps that is a start.
I'm super excited by the prospect of the 11-22 lens. It is the tiniest on the market for apsc. It would be a super setup for hiking. But they just need to at least catch up to the market with mirrorless. The M3 at $400 would be that, but it's a thousand bucks in Canada! They are way behind. They should be bundling the external EVF for free, not to mention the EF adapter, at better prices – in both US and Canada. I might just buy the 11-22 lens (which is cheaper in Canada go figure) and wait for either a new body or current M3 body at competitive price. I see the EVF included on the US canon site, so perhaps that is a start.
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ahsanford said:
Yes. The image here shows the lens in "parking position". It is the same construction as in the EF-M 11-22. i like having a compact collapsed parking position - it saves space in the bag. To use the lenses you have to unlock the söiding switch and turn the zoom ring - tubus will extend and lens is ready for image capture. It is one quick twist.
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