New Firmware Coming Shortly for EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]

[tron]

I think it is only going to address a seemingly growing problem of out of focus or soft focus images coming out of the IV. I keep reading more and more complaints about this. Canon will probably only fix this issue unless there are more issues. Dream on about better 4k video or any other improvements. If Magic Lantern is eventually made available for the IV, then we'll see some really cool new features that Canon could have put in but decided not to!

Care to elaborate with some links? Thanks.

 

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Clever idea, Dustin. Even if it's not Canon's intent with the update (I doubt it is), it's definitely sending me downstairs to go test the 18-35 with the 5D4. Best of both worlds!!

I used to use the 18-35 on my 5d3 quite a lot before I got a 35 prime. Worked great on the long end. Sharp, sharp, sharp.

Great idea.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I have my 5D4 for more than a week now. I found it was not as sharp as my 6D when 16-35 f/4 was used.

Haven't tested 70-200 and 100-400. Not sure what would happen.

Anyone has any experience to share?

RAW or JPEG? The Raw files in Lightroom are a bit sharper than the 6D, but I don't find the JPEGs are sharp as the 6D.

What happens if you turn NR to zero and turn on Fine Picture Detail? Are the JPGs sharp then?
Does it help the video sharpness at all? Or it the 4K no match for the crispness of a SONY even with that stuff on?

So far I've seen ONE video sample from the 5D4 at 4k that looked like it might be sharp. No sure what is going on. Did they turn off NR and turn on Fine Picture Detail and nobody else did?

And one test, although I sort of think something must have been done wrong, compared 4k detail, manually focused on the same scene using the same lens on a bunch of 4k cameras and the 5D4 was so much softer than the Sony and even Fuji and Panny that it was shocking.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Please add:

1) full frame 4K video
2) focus peaking
3) an efficient video codec
4) unlimited button assignment

and I gladly send my 5D4 in if you install an articulating screen, an EVF and sensor stabilization.

The hardware can't do it.

This has been explained so many times, why do people keep asking for things that are not feasible with the current equipment. Canon are not "holding off" implementing these things to "protect high end cinema cameras", they are not doing it because the hardware in the cameras can't handle it.

there is an h.264 chip in there that they use for 1080P and 720P, maybe it could be used for the 4k mode even if it makes the camera a little hot? maybe possible, maybe not

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Please add:

1) full frame 4K video
2) focus peaking
3) an efficient video codec
4) unlimited button assignment

and I gladly send my 5D4 in if you install an articulating screen, an EVF and sensor stabilization.

The hardware can't do it.

This has been explained so many times, why do people keep asking for things that are not feasible with the current equipment. Canon are not "holding off" implementing these things to "protect high end cinema cameras", they are not doing it because the hardware in the cameras can't handle it.

The hardware can do focus peaking - ML have shown that. So too could unlimited button assignment be done.

What the hardware can't do is full-frame 4K video and HEVC. Do they need hardware support? Most absolutely. So it isn't just the software where Canon is skimping on us, it is the hardware side too. The point being that if Sony can do full frame 4K video in the A7RII (and that is how old now?) then why can't Canon with a brand new 5D4?

What I found baffling was when Canon was asked why the HDMI port can only do 1080P they said the engineers had to design the camera way ahead of time and when they designed it only 1080P HDMI chips were given to them and yet.... other camera that came out 1-2 years earlier have 4k able HDMI chips so.... something ain't adding up

either they are lying, are so slothful and slow from being the kings for too long that they react at glacial speed, or marketing only let them add 4K at the last second due to the pressure simply having become too great for it contrary to their initial hopes and by that last second time the HW was already set and only partially suited for 4k content

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Please add:

1) full frame 4K video
2) focus peaking
3) an efficient video codec
4) unlimited button assignment

and I gladly send my 5D4 in if you install an articulating screen, an EVF and sensor stabilization.

The hardware can't do it.

This has been explained so many times, why do people keep asking for things that are not feasible with the current equipment. Canon are not "holding off" implementing these things to "protect high end cinema cameras", they are not doing it because the hardware in the cameras can't handle it.

The hardware can do focus peaking - ML have shown that. So too could unlimited button assignment be done.

What the hardware can't do is full-frame 4K video and HEVC. Do they need hardware support? Most absolutely. So it isn't just the software where Canon is skimping on us, it is the hardware side too. The point being that if Sony can do full frame 4K video in the A7RII (and that is how old now?) then why can't Canon with a brand new 5D4?

I'm sure if they decided to build the 5d mkIV like a consumer / toy product they could source different parts and do what you're asking at a similar price point, but I wouldn't want that camera and neither does anyone who hasnm't switched to Sony A7RII by now.



And before you say you're willing to pay extra for better 4K, there's a 1dc and 1dx mk2 waiting to be bought at any time.

....which also lack basics like focusing peaking, zebras, efficient codec too! and cost even yet tons more than A7R II and so on.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Yes Canon can do some pretty market-crashing things only if they asked their firmware department to do, cheaply.

-Focus peaking
-Zebras
-1:1 during capture
-waveform monitor
-1080p 14bit FF Raw video mode
-Smart intervalometer
-complex HDR video
-Customize every button and menu, if wanted
-Focus-point linked metering
-Access to Playback after photo capture
-Increase their video dynamic range by two stops in all modes by adding C-LOG. A simple pre-recording gamma/chroma curve.
-Clean HDMI out to all models
-4:3 anamorphic mode and screen desqueeze
-Various crop modes in HD.
-Silent E-shutter
-Fine adjustment of Frame rate from 0.025p to 60p in 1p increments

I mean A LOT, A WHOOLE LOT

And there are no technical downsides to all of these. None.

I get that FF video would cause overheating, or ugly lineskipping. I know software can't make audio sound better, give faster burst rate without consequences. But there is just SO MUCH they can give with just a firmware upgrade to ALL their camera line (make supercharged rebels' to super 1d's) that would put Canon right in the front of tech geek hype, get extremely higher appeal. So why not? I can't for the life of me, understand why not fo it if you CAN.

The only one reason I can think of is that someone up in the Canon leadership chain believes doing that what hurt higher end models, he should be fired if he/she/they exist. But I don't think someone's that stupid and not in-touch with the real world.

I think you need to get back in touch with the real world if you think that's even close to a) being done in just firmware and b) cheaply

about the only thing your post did was clearly identify that you have no idea really what you are talking about. just because ML did it on the 5D Mark 3 for 1K has no bearing whether or not they can even attempt to do anything associative with the newer sensors and the Mark IV.

ML also doesn't have to support the f'ing thing either and is brittle as hell.

good grief.

PS .. you really don't know what CLOG is .. right?

huh? I think he knows a lot more of what he speaks than you do.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I would think many people would be looking for a resolution to the compatibility issues using Sigma lenses.

I believe Sigma has released a statement to the affect that when using their lenses on the 5D Mk IV and DX II Canon bodies that one has to go into the camera menus and disable the auto lens correction settings that apparently are set at the factory (to recognize and correct for aberration, distortion, etc, for Canon lenses) in order for Sigma (and possibly other 3rd party autofocus) lenses to work properly.

I wonder if that is why the test somedid had the 5D4 4K video looked horrendously soft compared to the other cameras. I think they used a Sigma lens on all the bodies in an attempt to keep things fair that might have actually made it totally unfair.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

The firmware update will remove 4K video so videographers all will stop complaining about it.
It will add dual ISO to stills to make photographers happy.
Canon will introduce a new bracket that will make your 10 inch tablet into a flippy screen.

 

[wockawocka]

The 4k is EXCELLENT, don't believe the BS comparisons.

I tried out some screen grabs with a headshot session yesterday, it's unedited except for the B+W conversion 85L @ F2

 

[testthewest]

The 4k is EXCELLENT, don't believe the BS comparisons.

I tried out some screen grabs with a headshot session yesterday, it's unedited except for the B+W conversion 85L @ F2

I don't want to offend you, but that portrait looks out of focus and soft. I would not be happy with that.
I mean: What's the purpose of a portrait made with a high end DSLR, if not to capture you and to make you look at it? If you just need a pic to identify a person, you might as well use your smartphone.

 

[tron]

The firmware update will remove 4K video so videographers all will stop complaining about it.
It will add dual ISO to stills to make photographers happy.
Canon will introduce a new bracket that will make your 10 inch tablet into a flippy screen.

;D ;D ;D Nice

 

[Lurker]

I don't want to offend you, but that portrait looks out of focus and soft. I would not be happy with that.

Time to clean your monitor and get (new?) glasses.

 

[wockawocka]

The 4k is EXCELLENT, don't believe the BS comparisons.

I tried out some screen grabs with a headshot session yesterday, it's unedited except for the B+W conversion 85L @ F2

I don't want to offend you, but that portrait looks out of focus and soft. I would not be happy with that.
I mean: What's the purpose of a portrait made with a high end DSLR, if not to capture you and to make you look at it? If you just need a pic to identify a person, you might as well use your smartphone.

No offense taken, you should possibly look into an issue at your end as it's very sharp.

 

[zim]

The 4k is EXCELLENT, don't believe the BS comparisons.

I tried out some screen grabs with a headshot session yesterday, it's unedited except for the B+W conversion 85L @ F2

I don't want to offend you, but that portrait looks out of focus and soft. I would not be happy with that.
I mean: What's the purpose of a portrait made with a high end DSLR, if not to capture you and to make you look at it? If you just need a pic to identify a person, you might as well use your smartphone.

No offense taken, you should possibly look into an issue at your end as it's very sharp.

It's actually too sharp for my taste for a portrait !
But it serves as a very good example of what can be achieved with a 4K frame grab, which is the point, very impressive thanks for posting.

 

[Loswr]

The 4k is EXCELLENT, don't believe the BS comparisons.

I tried out some screen grabs with a headshot session yesterday, it's unedited except for the B+W conversion 85L @ F2

I don't want to offend you, but that portrait looks out of focus and soft. I would not be happy with that.
I mean: What's the purpose of a portrait made with a high end DSLR, if not to capture you and to make you look at it? If you just need a pic to identify a person, you might as well use your smartphone.

I guess maybe the problem is that you're viewing the image on your smartphone? Or maybe you just need to visit the optometrist.

 

[3kramd5]

The 4k is EXCELLENT, don't believe the BS comparisons.

I tried out some screen grabs with a headshot session yesterday, it's unedited except for the B+W conversion 85L @ F2

I don't want to offend you, but that portrait looks out of focus and soft. I would not be happy with that.
I mean: What's the purpose of a portrait made with a high end DSLR, if not to capture you and to make you look at it? If you just need a pic to identify a person, you might as well use your smartphone.

I guess maybe the problem is that you're viewing the image on your smartphone? Or maybe you just need to visit the optometrist.

Or, as Dilbert mentioned, he didn't click the image. Is it 50MP still sharp? No, but it's a still from a video and very impressive from that standpoint.

 

[romanr74]

I don't want to offend you, but that portrait looks out of focus and soft. I would not be happy with that.

Time to clean your monitor and get (new?) glasses.

LOL
+1

 

[romanr74]

The 4k is EXCELLENT, don't believe the BS comparisons.

I tried out some screen grabs with a headshot session yesterday, it's unedited except for the B+W conversion 85L @ F2

I don't want to offend you, but that portrait looks out of focus and soft. I would not be happy with that.
I mean: What's the purpose of a portrait made with a high end DSLR, if not to capture you and to make you look at it? If you just need a pic to identify a person, you might as well use your smartphone.

No offense taken, you should possibly look into an issue at your end as it's very sharp.

The inline web version doesn't appear very sharp but when clicked on, it's much better except that the depth of field is seemingly from the tip of her nose to the crows feet by her eyes. hair, clothes, all out of focus, so if you look at any of that, you don't see a sharp image.

also that, what is it, a window, in the background, nevermind, in any case it is not sharp. you should have your lens and body checked...

 

[tron]

The 4k is EXCELLENT, don't believe the BS comparisons.

I tried out some screen grabs with a headshot session yesterday, it's unedited except for the B+W conversion 85L @ F2

I don't want to offend you, but that portrait looks out of focus and soft. I would not be happy with that.
I mean: What's the purpose of a portrait made with a high end DSLR, if not to capture you and to make you look at it? If you just need a pic to identify a person, you might as well use your smartphone.

No offense taken, you should possibly look into an issue at your end as it's very sharp.

The inline web version doesn't appear very sharp but when clicked on, it's much better except that the depth of field is seemingly from the tip of her nose to the crows feet by her eyes. hair, clothes, all out of focus, so if you look at any of that, you don't see a sharp image.

also that, what is it, a window, in the background, nevermind, in any case it is not sharp. you should have your lens and body checked...

;D ;D ;D