New Firmware for EOS 5D Mark IV Coming Soon [CR2]

rjbray01 said:
sorry but what is BLE ?

Bluetooth Low Energy perhaps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_low_energy

Automatic AFMA could be interesting, but it would make sense to add the mirror lockup delay from the 5DS/R; I always thought it weird that was omitted.

Looking back to the 7D as an example (increased buffer capacity), it could be something that one would otherwise associate with hardware - I'm not ruling it out.
 
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- selectable high speed burst rate (and increase to 9fps)
- self timer between 2s (tripod shake not yet completely settled) and 10s (tripod shake can settle at least twice)
- alternating memory card usage mode for longer bursts and faster residual speed when buffer full (store image to either card that is idle at the time)
- more user friendly communication setup
- not having to input the wifi password again after changing application type (smartphone, EOS utility, FTP)
- enabling multiple wifi application simultaneously (e.g. smartphone app+ ftp)
- possibility to input ip address for FTP when you have a DNS server set up (currently it only takes a host name in this case)
- full touch enabled when setting FTP server
- possibility to use the top right back buttons (autofocus and *) to zoom images in review mode (like in 70D)
- possibility to increase the time delay between shutter depress and no longer reacting to AF point selection with the stick (or always enable AF point selection)
- more options for button customization (especially the M-Fn button choices are laughable)
- possibility to scroll the menu help texts using touch screen
- animal mode, where the AF cases are not depicted by sports but by animals
- food mode
 
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I doubt if it's BLE or new 4K codecs,etc .. most of that has to be done in hardware and not software.

I'm thinking the automatic AFMA - and it being totally automatic, not even what the semi-automatic AFMA is for nikon.

why? this was a feature that canon can do, missed the boat on and is seeing as an advantage for nikon. BLE? 4K? they don't need to do anything there against nikon.

usually canon only adds a feature if there are screams of something that needs to be added. I can't think of much that needed to be done with the 5D Mark IV. on the 1DX Mark II side, adding in the ability to use the touchscreen everywhere is an easy one.
 
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Fatalv said:
ahsanford said:
saveyourmoment said:
would like to see spot-metering linked to af-point...

+1.

- A


+2 but I thought this was dependent on a hardware implementation. Maybe we're lucky and the hardware was there but hid by nerf/firmware?

One can dream! ;D
since the metering sensors in these cameras are just low res imaging sensors now, I don't think there's anything particular about the hardware that would be required. Just sampling from a particular area when making the decision.
 
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midluk said:
- selectable high speed burst rate (and increase to 9fps)
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- food mode

Geee that sounds partially like a ML 2025 release... :D :D :D :D

Joke aside I wish a better wi-fi GUI and approachability.

It's a pain in the ass! You set a profile your home LAN and you can't connect a second device after the first is disconnected...

To switch the wi-fi profile from smartphone to a tablet you get trough 5 to 9 clicks.... And it's buggy. I pray every time when switching devices :/ If you use only your phone not a big deal I guess ON and OFF. But if you need to connect from two devices - a nightmare!

Let's not mention that you are NOT allowed to put a custom OWN password to your OWN DSLR! WTF?

Quite NOT user friendly!
 
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Quote from: Frederik_Bo on Today at 01:36:02 PM
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new 4K codecs,etc .. most of that has to be done in hardware and not software.

How so? Codecs are a softwere property. I am sure the processor can handle it.

the reason they do mjpeg is the low cpu cost. they can't dissipate heat fast enough to do h.264 in camera, so they stuck with mjpeg.

I find that har to believe. Especially as it is not reading the hole sensor in 4k mode.
Further more they have been doing h264 in camera for HD for years. It would seem odd if they can't do it with 4k By now.
 
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Frederik_Bo said:
Quote from: Frederik_Bo on Today at 01:36:02 PM
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new 4K codecs,etc .. most of that has to be done in hardware and not software.

How so? Codecs are a softwere property. I am sure the processor can handle it.

the reason they do mjpeg is the low cpu cost. they can't dissipate heat fast enough to do h.264 in camera, so they stuck with mjpeg.

I find that har to believe. Especially as it is not reading the hole sensor in 4k mode.
Further more they have been doing h264 in camera for HD for years. It would seem odd if they can't do it with 4k By now.

being able to efficiently (in a power and heat sense) process 1080P is in no way an indication of being able to do so for four times that amount of data. You can believe what you like, but Canon only touts stills extraction and the ridiculous video bitrate as a "feature" because they have to make the best of the situation they are stuck in with mjpeg. If they could do 4K with a better codec in camera, they would be doing it already, at least with the 1DC or the 1DX2, and they aren't.
 
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tr573 said:
Frederik_Bo said:
Quote from: Frederik_Bo on Today at 01:36:02 PM
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new 4K codecs,etc .. most of that has to be done in hardware and not software.

How so? Codecs are a softwere property. I am sure the processor can handle it.

the reason they do mjpeg is the low cpu cost. they can't dissipate heat fast enough to do h.264 in camera, so they stuck with mjpeg.

I find that har to believe. Especially as it is not reading the hole sensor in 4k mode.
Further more they have been doing h264 in camera for HD for years. It would seem odd if they can't do it with 4k By now.

being able to efficiently (in a power and heat sense) process 1080P is in no way an indication of being able to do so for four times that amount of data. You can believe what you like, but Canon only touts stills extraction and the ridiculous video bitrate as a "feature" because they have to make the best of the situation they are stuck in with mjpeg. If they could do 4K with a better codec in camera, they would be doing it already, at least with the 1DC or the 1DX2, and they aren't.
How do you know it's not to cripple the usage to make us want another type of camera for video. They did ti with the c100 vs c300. They had camcorders with MPEG 2 but gave the c100 and even c100 mark ii the compressed and more cpu intensive avchd.
 
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So one feature the 5D IV has that the 5D III does not, is a feature also found in the 1DX II (not sure if it was there in I), which is the ability to crop a picture, raw or jpeg, in the body. For low rent sports photography like I do, that's a killer feature.

It seems like that is software so it seems like it would be possible to bring that to the 5D III. I, for one, would like that a lot.
 
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Quote from: Frederik_Bo on Today at 02:11:44 PM
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Quote from: Frederik_Bo on Today at 01:36:02 PM
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new 4K codecs,etc .. most of that has to be done in hardware and not software.

How so? Codecs are a softwere property. I am sure the processor can handle it.

the reason they do mjpeg is the low cpu cost. they can't dissipate heat fast enough to do h.264 in camera, so they stuck with mjpeg.

I find that har to believe. Especially as it is not reading the hole sensor in 4k mode.
Further more they have been doing h264 in camera for HD for years. It would seem odd if they can't do it with 4k By now.

being able to efficiently (in a power and heat sense) process 1080P is in no way an indication of being able to do so for four times that amount of data. You can believe what you like, but Canon only touts stills extraction and the ridiculous video bitrate as a "feature" because they have to make the best of the situation they are stuck in with mjpeg. If they could do 4K with a better codec in camera, they would be doing it already, at least with the 1DC or the 1DX2, and they aren't.

Well the 5d mark II did it with Full HD in 2009. The mark IV came out in 2016. That gives it 7 years on the Mark II which amounts to 84 months. Moores law says that processing power dubles every 18 months. This would make the current 5d mark IV be 4,6 doublings a head of the mark II. This gives us an exponential funktion looking like this: 2x1^4,6=24,25. Meaning that if the processors in the canon cameras, have been keeping up with Moores law, then the processor in the 5d mark IV should be roughly 24,25 times as fast as the the mark II. I think the processing of 4 times the amount of data should be possible. No way is processing power the bottleneck.
 
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RayValdez360 said:
tr573 said:
Frederik_Bo said:
Quote from: Frederik_Bo on Today at 01:36:02 PM
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new 4K codecs,etc .. most of that has to be done in hardware and not software.

How so? Codecs are a softwere property. I am sure the processor can handle it.

the reason they do mjpeg is the low cpu cost. they can't dissipate heat fast enough to do h.264 in camera, so they stuck with mjpeg.

I find that har to believe. Especially as it is not reading the hole sensor in 4k mode.
Further more they have been doing h264 in camera for HD for years. It would seem odd if they can't do it with 4k By now.

being able to efficiently (in a power and heat sense) process 1080P is in no way an indication of being able to do so for four times that amount of data. You can believe what you like, but Canon only touts stills extraction and the ridiculous video bitrate as a "feature" because they have to make the best of the situation they are stuck in with mjpeg. If they could do 4K with a better codec in camera, they would be doing it already, at least with the 1DC or the 1DX2, and they aren't.
How do you know it's not to cripple the usage to make us want another type of camera for video. They did ti with the c100 vs c300. They had camcorders with MPEG 2 but gave the c100 and even c100 mark ii the compressed and more cpu intensive avchd.

Because why would they give us a technically higher quality, if much more of a pain to work with codec, to make the camera less professional vs the lower quality consumer codec? And why would they give you 264 for HD/FHD from the very start, but give you MJPEG just for 4k? There is nothing sensible about that from a product segmentation standpoint - the only explanation that really makes sense is that mjpeg costs them very little power, and thus very little heat, and they can't manage to get anything else out of the thing reliably. (This is the key word here - reliably)
 
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Frederik_Bo said:
Quote from: Frederik_Bo on Today at 02:11:44 PM
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Quote from: Frederik_Bo on Today at 01:36:02 PM
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new 4K codecs,etc .. most of that has to be done in hardware and not software.

How so? Codecs are a softwere property. I am sure the processor can handle it.

the reason they do mjpeg is the low cpu cost. they can't dissipate heat fast enough to do h.264 in camera, so they stuck with mjpeg.

I find that har to believe. Especially as it is not reading the hole sensor in 4k mode.
Further more they have been doing h264 in camera for HD for years. It would seem odd if they can't do it with 4k By now.

being able to efficiently (in a power and heat sense) process 1080P is in no way an indication of being able to do so for four times that amount of data. You can believe what you like, but Canon only touts stills extraction and the ridiculous video bitrate as a "feature" because they have to make the best of the situation they are stuck in with mjpeg. If they could do 4K with a better codec in camera, they would be doing it already, at least with the 1DC or the 1DX2, and they aren't.

Well the 5d mark II did it with Full HD in 2009. The mark IV came out in 2016. That gives it 7 years on the Mark II which amounts to 84 months. Moores law says that processing power dubles every 18 months. This would make the current 5d mark IV be 4,6 doublings a head of the mark II. This gives us an exponential funktion looking like this: 2x1^4,6=24,25. Meaning that if the processors in the canon cameras, have been keeping up with Moores law, then the processor in the 5d mark IV should be roughly 24,25 times as fast as the the mark II. I think the processing of 4 times the amount of data should be possible. No way is processing power the bottleneck.

I did not say the cpu can't do it at all, I said it can't do it in that form factor without drawing more power and thus generating more heat than the whole unit can handle reliably.
 
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tr573 said:
Frederik_Bo said:
Quote from: Frederik_Bo on Today at 02:11:44 PM
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Quote from: Frederik_Bo on Today at 01:36:02 PM
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new 4K codecs,etc .. most of that has to be done in hardware and not software.

How so? Codecs are a softwere property. I am sure the processor can handle it.

the reason they do mjpeg is the low cpu cost. they can't dissipate heat fast enough to do h.264 in camera, so they stuck with mjpeg.

I find that har to believe. Especially as it is not reading the hole sensor in 4k mode.
Further more they have been doing h264 in camera for HD for years. It would seem odd if they can't do it with 4k By now.

being able to efficiently (in a power and heat sense) process 1080P is in no way an indication of being able to do so for four times that amount of data. You can believe what you like, but Canon only touts stills extraction and the ridiculous video bitrate as a "feature" because they have to make the best of the situation they are stuck in with mjpeg. If they could do 4K with a better codec in camera, they would be doing it already, at least with the 1DC or the 1DX2, and they aren't.

Well the 5d mark II did it with Full HD in 2009. The mark IV came out in 2016. That gives it 7 years on the Mark II which amounts to 84 months. Moores law says that processing power dubles every 18 months. This would make the current 5d mark IV be 4,6 doublings a head of the mark II. This gives us an exponential funktion looking like this: 2x1^4,6=24,25. Meaning that if the processors in the canon cameras, have been keeping up with Moores law, then the processor in the 5d mark IV should be roughly 24,25 times as fast as the the mark II. I think the processing of 4 times the amount of data should be possible. No way is processing power the bottleneck.

I did not say the cpu can't do it at all, I said it can't do it in that form factor without drawing more power and thus generating more heat than the whole unit can handle reliably.

If temperature scaled exponentially over time, like processing power, cameras would be catching fire by now. So I really dont buy, it having anything to do with the CPU. If there is a bottle neck, I would guess it to be either the sensor, buffer or the write speed to the cards. But really. Other manufactures are able to do it, so canon should be able to it also.
 
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