New Full Frame Camera in Testing [CR1]

[lola]

I doubt Canon has the technology to compete with the current Sony sensors. If they did, they would most certainly use it building the sensor in 5D3.

This mystery camera is just an act of desperation... It will probably be a 5D3 in a 1D body with 40 megapixels and a $5000 price tag. Nothing to be excited about...

 

[ruuneos]

3D sounds horrible to my ear : I would like to see 2D, fits nicely to Canon's formula:
- Better than 5D but "bit rougher" than 1D.

 

[Marsu42]

I doubt Canon has the technology to compete with the current Sony sensors. If they did, they would most certainly use it building the sensor in 5D3.

The 3d may even have an unintended side effect, because it invalidates Canon's and enthusiast's "22mp is enough, anybody saying something else is a Nikon troll" argumentation.

 

[x-vision]

I guess "sooner than you think" in fact means that Canon has found yet another new way to release a high-price product - sooner than people would have feared after the 1dx and 5d3.

LOL .

This would leave Nikon to care for folks in the below $2000 segment...

Which is where the majority of buyers are, of course.

I was just thinking the other day:
The market leader in any industry is never the one with the premium pricing.
With its recent pricing policy, Canon is obviously trying to become a premium vendor.
So, have they decided to lose their market leadership position ???.

 

[Daniel Flather]

Everyone sees the body buuuuut ... 40mm F/1.2L ????

CR has been used that image many times on the site before.

 

[jaduffy007]

Can't WAIT for the dynamic range debates on dpreview when this baby comes out and get's DXO Marked.

Me too! I'm getting stocked up on popcorn. This Canon high MP, high DR camera gets released, SUDDENLY in contrast to comments on D800, those attributes will become not only valid but essential and drool worthy. Hopefully DXO Mark will rate the camera higher than the D800, then SUDDENLY, DXO Mark will become the most trusted review site on the planet vs the worst since placing the D800 above the 5d3. "Some people".... : :-X

 

[jaduffy007]

YEAH! This is what i've been saving my dough for.

I'd get it if its 3999$

At $4k , how does Canon differentiate it from the 5d3? Maybe 5d3 goes to where it should be...$2500? Otherwise, it's more likely to be closer to $5k.

 

[jaduffy007]

I guess "sooner than you think" in fact means that Canon has found yet another new way to release a high-price product - sooner than people would have feared after the 1dx and 5d3.

LOL .

This would leave Nikon to care for folks in the below $2000 segment...

Which is where the majority of buyers are, of course.

I was just thinking the other day:
The market leader in any industry is never the one with the premium pricing.
With its recent pricing policy, Canon is obviously trying to become a premium vendor.
So, have they decided to lose their market leadership position ???.

Ok, then Canon needs to come out with "premium" products! 5d3 doesn't bode well. Putting a premium price ($3500) on a less than premium sensor doesn't "work".

 

[Marsu42]

With its recent pricing policy, Canon is obviously trying to become a premium vendor.

If they go premium I guess they'll come up with a marketing strategy to differentiate their pro bodies from joe sixpack 7d and below user - if not gold plating, maybe a completely red camera body, or at least a red stripe that can be recognized from afar ?

 

[lola]

At $4k , how does Canon differentiate it from the 5d3? Maybe 5d3 goes to where it should be...$2500? Otherwise, it's more likely to be closer to $5k.

Pulling the price of 5D3 to somewhere around $2500 would be kidding with the people who just bought it. I don't see it happening. Don't forget to take into account the prices of the newly released lenses...

 

[Pompo]

Canon is officially gasping for air and flipping out ! First there is no high res box , "we have merged the 1d and 1ds series to the 1dx"....then the d800 came along lol!! I wish I never bought this freaking 5D Mark III now,

LOL! I remember the day when hi-res was 12MP with the launch of the 1DS I really don't think canon is flipping out ATM.

according to them the 18 mpix was it...til the d800 came out that is....I wish we knew what Canon roadmap was tho!

 

[TrumpetPower!]

I may be worng, but I really think that we're quite close to the point of diminishing returns for resolution for the 135 format. I mean, hell, we're already getting great 24" x 36" prints out of it, and shockingly good prints at the full width of an iPF8100. The latest batch not only outperform medium format film from back in the day, they're on a par with large format from not that long ago, and put a lot of Ansel Adams's work to shame.

In the online examples I've seen, you'd need to stick your nose against a door-sized print to tell the difference between the D800 and the 5DIII. The 5DIII images upscale nicely to the D800's native resolution, with less noise and almost as much detail.

Sure, we've got 20 megapickle digicams and could, in theory, scale those up to full frame...but we also know that those 20 megapickle digicams look like crap.

I'll make a prediction: there'll never be a pro-level DSLR 135-format with more than about 60 megapickles, and all it'll get you is a 30" x 40" print that compares well with a 24" x 36" print from a 5DIII or D800. The megapickle count will keep inching towards something in that range, but much more slowly...and, instead, manufacturers will put their improvements into actual camera features like Canon did with the 5DIII.

Damned few photographers need or can use even the full resolution of today's 135-format cameras, and those few who need even more have long since switched to medium format.

Cheers,

b&

 

[Bombsight]

"Our Flagship model 1DX".

If its Canons "Flagship", then why is Canon adding more megapixels?

Shouldn't a "Flagship" cover all aspects if possible??

I thought the 1 series covered all aspects of photography as much as possible with the technology at hand?

They havent even delivered on their 1DX promise and already, there seems to be something better for landscape photographers?

 

[jaduffy007]

I may be worng, but I really think that we're quite close to the point of diminishing returns for resolution for the 135 format. I mean, hell, we're already getting great 24" x 36" prints out of it, and shockingly good prints at the full width of an iPF8100. The latest batch not only outperform medium format film from back in the day, they're on a par with large format from not that long ago, and put a lot of Ansel Adams's work to shame.

In the online examples I've seen, you'd need to stick your nose against a door-sized print to tell the difference between the D800 and the 5DIII. The 5DIII images upscale nicely to the D800's native resolution, with less noise and almost as much detail.

Sure, we've got 20 megapickle digicams and could, in theory, scale those up to full frame...but we also know that those 20 megapickle digicams look like crap.

I'll make a prediction: there'll never be a pro-level DSLR 135-format with more than about 60 megapickles, and all it'll get you is a 30" x 40" print that compares well with a 24" x 36" print from a 5DIII or D800. The megapickle count will keep inching towards something in that range, but much more slowly...and, instead, manufacturers will put their improvements into actual camera features like Canon did with the 5DIII.

Damned few photographers need or can use even the full resolution of today's 135-format cameras, and those few who need even more have long since switched to medium format.

Cheers,

b&

I would turn your point on its head. With the D800 and this rumored Canon cam, we 're getting (almost) medium format digital IQ for a fraction of the cost. That's a very worthy endeavor and to be celebrated! I think Canon users will stop marginalizing the breakthrough the D800 is, once they have a camera that is its equal or even better.

Lastly, the 5d3 cannot be upscaled to match the D800 with less noise or equal detail. I've done the tests with precisely what you suggested, 24x36 prints. I'm not suggesting it's "night and day", but the difference is easily perceived, no loop required

 

[Jason Beiko]

If I was Canon I would be making an semi-official announcement about a possible D800 equivalent. Why? it might keep people from switching, if they believe a D800 equivalent is coming. The reviews of the D800 are so positive WRT studio and landscape use that I know many of us are tempted.

I'm waiting for two reasons: one, I already have several Canon lenses and equipment and two, if I purchase a Nikon it will be the "e" version which is very difficult to find at the moment.

 

[jaduffy007]

If I was Canon I would be making an semi-official announcement about a possible D800 equivalent. Why? it might keep people from switching, if they believe a D800 equivalent is coming. The reviews of the D800 are so positive WRT studio and landscape use that I know many of us are tempted.

I'm waiting for two reasons: one, I already have several Canon lenses and equipment and two, if I purchase a Nikon it will be the "e" version which is very difficult to find at the moment.

Obviously it's possible this rumor is a controlled leak. Who knows. Yet, I think there's little doubt there is significantly more demand for the D800 models versus the 5d3.

 

[Tayvin]

Assuming this rumor is true, I'd think Canon would still wait a couple of years before releasing it. Everyone that would buy a camera like this just bought a D800/e or Canon 5D III; and if you're a professional you purchased two or three of them. It will be at least three years before I consider purchasing another camera.

 

[zim]

Naaa….. not buying into the high MP, high DR camera scenario. High MP yes but I don’t believe Canon will or can come out with a higher DR sensor anytime soon. So what’s left is a high MP version of the 5D3 maybe with or without low pass filter option but I doubt that also, I think Canon are looking at heavy software development to get them out of this one. Existing 5d3 owners won’t be unhappy.

 

[Ricku]

..but I don’t believe Canon will or can come out with a higher DR sensor anytime soon.

+1 same here.

This is why Canon should buy and use Exmor sensors from Sony, just until they figure out how to improve their own sensor tech.

 

[V8Beast]

Canon is officially gasping for air and flipping out ! First there is no high res box , "we have merged the 1d and 1ds series to the 1dx"....then the d800 came along lol!! I wish I never bought this freaking 5D Mark III now,

Just sell it and get most your money back, then. Problem solved

Seriously, though, a 40-plus megapixel body has been a common rumor for a very long time as a replacement to the 1Ds3. Other rumors suggested the high-megapixel 1Ds3 replacement would take a gripless form factor.
It's when the 1Dx was announced at 18 megapixels that all the talk of a high-mp body suddenly went away. No one expected lower resolution at the time.

IMHO, the 1Dx is clearly more of a 1D5 than a 1Ds4, so Canon would be very short-sighted to concede the high-res studio/landscape market to the competition.