Canon Australia has been pretty reasonable with pricing as well as the 5 year warranty. Not much in the way of grey importers getting price traction here.Try being an Aussie!
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Canon Australia has been pretty reasonable with pricing as well as the 5 year warranty. Not much in the way of grey importers getting price traction here.Try being an Aussie!
No poisonous snakes in Australia and besides. While we do have plenty of deadly creepy crawlies we don't have anything that will chase you down and eat you in your front yard like they do in all other parts of the world except NZ.No, never!
Far too many poisonous snakes and other deadly critters!
(And Canon pricing too!)
One hundred US dollars isn’t. The R5 was $3900 at launch, compared to $4000 for the Z8. Clearly, the two cameras are aimed at the same price point.Not really an r5 competitor. It has a pretty big price jump. Awesome camera though. A z9 in a smaller body. Stacked sensor and all. But a thousand US dollars difference is a fair whack of money.
They released a new camera with nice specs. $4K is a big whack of money, this won’t be a huge seller for them in terms of units. It’s a bit premature to declare a ‘comeback’. If they just stop hemorrhaging market share that would be a big win for them, but we don’t even know if that’s happening.It is good to see Nikon making a comeback but they do need to start getting top tier AF into affordable bodies now.
But you do have about a hundred different kinds of venomous snakes, which are worse!No poisonous snakes in Australia and besides.
The safety briefing for our new Australia office includes a long section about dropbears, does ambushing count as chasing?While we do have plenty of deadly creepy crawlies we don't have anything that will chase you down and eat you in your front yard like they do in all other parts of the world except NZ.
Yeah. Them drop bears are an issue. No doubt about thatBut you do have about a hundred different kinds of venomous snakes, which are worse!
The safety briefing for our new Australia office includes a long section about dropbears, does ambushing count as chasing?
My bad. I thought it was around 1k US difference.One hundred US dollars isn’t. The R5 was $3900 at launch, compared to $4000 for the Z8. Clearly, the two cameras are aimed at the same price point.
They released a new camera with nice specs. $4K is a big whack of money, this won’t be a huge seller for them in terms of units. It’s a bit premature to declare a ‘comeback’. If they just stop hemorrhaging market share that would be a big win for them, but we don’t even know if that’s happening.
My bad, venomous , of course. But I'm still panicked at the thought...No poisonous snakes in Australia and besides. While we do have plenty of deadly creepy crawlies we don't have anything that will chase you down and eat you in your front yard like they do in all other parts of the world except NZ.
This is rolling shutter, posted earlier today. It made burst mode with the R7 somewhat interesting. https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/threads/r7-discussion.41564/page-3#post-962074First an observation: this will only influence other manufacturers if Nikon's relative position improves. I keep saying (though it surely should be obvious) that they have to be more competitive on features and pricing because they are desperate to regain market share. Whether their strategy succeeds remains to be seen.
Second a question: is rolling shutter as big a deal as is sometimes made out? How did we manage for so long if the type of sensor that allows eg golf balls to be round and clubs to remain straight in images has only just started to become widespread? And do those "flaws" not add a sense of movement to an image, just as motion blur can do? It's nice to have the option either way, of course.
Ok wow that is... bizarre.This is rolling shutter, posted earlier today. It made burst mode with the R7 somewhat interesting. https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/threads/r7-discussion.41564/page-3#post-962074
You get around rolling shutter by using a physical shutter curtain to stop the exposure.[…]
Second a question: is rolling shutter as big a deal as is sometimes made out? How did we manage for so long if the type of sensor that allows eg golf balls to be round and clubs to remain straight in images has only just started to become widespread? And do those "flaws" not add a sense of movement to an image, just as motion blur can do? It's nice to have the option either way, of course.
You are my hero!How do you like this one I caught. Tiger. Considered practically harmless in Australia. Only the 4th most venomous snake in the world View attachment 209085
LMAO, Who is it with the problem of admitting they were wrong again? By the way, I blame your poor comprehension skills and low morals for trying to manufacture a point that you a can dispute.Seriously? Is your memory of what you write so poor? Let's review:
Admittedly, perhaps in your first post you listed rolling shutter second but you actually thought it was first in importance. In that case I apologize for accusing you of moving the goalposts, but you have your own poor writing skills to blame for that.
The tech used is vitally important to the outcome. A stacked sensor is better in almost every way except cost and power usage. Honestly, your argument will stand up to a use case of non-action photography, but when the action picks up, the needle swings clearly to the stacked sensor. Not to mention, the other improvements that come from being able to move data off the sensor at significant faster rates. This clearly is an advantage that has a bit of runway to use.Frankly, the tech used is not important as the results. FSI/BSI/BSI-stacked is just the technology but please concentrate on the final measurements for comparison.
...Setting the tone is basically offering a good value for money product and maybe undercutting the competition in price but if it doesn't translate to long term revenue then that is a bigger problem.
The problem for Nikon is that Canon brought out the R5 3 years ago, has sold a large number of them and the customers have stocked up with Canon lenses or have perfectly functional adapted EF ones. The Z8 might have some advantages but its main appeal is for Nikon’s existing users. A 3-year lead is not easy to overcome. A refresh of R5 firmware would narrow the gap even more and be a good ploy for Canon.The tech used is vitally important to the outcome. A stacked sensor is better in almost every way except cost and power usage. Honestly, your argument will stand up to a use case of non-action photography, but when the action picks up, the needle swings clearly to the stacked sensor. Not to mention, the other improvements that come from being able to move data off the sensor at significant faster rates. This clearly is an advantage that has a bit of runway to use.
Like you said, setting the tone is offering a better value for money. Nikon has done just that here. I can't see how this body will not have a clear advantage on the entire mid to upper end of the market. Its a match for any flagship, only coming up short to them by the slightest of margins, all while costing significantly less. Its spec'ed better than all of its peers in many categories with two significant exceptions (slightly behind Canon and Sony in AF, and Sony's A7R5 in resolution), at only a slight price bump.
I just don't see how this body is just a matter fact release. I don't see this release being any less significant than the R5, A9, D500, or 5D in the past. No one has ever given the market flagship performance at mid level prices (the R5 was probably the closest, with the A9's elevated price being a close second). We'll see if I'm right or wrong fairly soon, because Nikon is planning to flood the stores with a fairly strong supply from the release date. I feel like the proof will be in its adoption.
Personally, I think its a good thing you don't care about the hardware advancement shown on the Z8, at the price point. I honestly don't think Canon is going to match this hardware decision for years to come. I really hope I'm wrong on this one, but I'm not holding my breath.
Yes, if you can’t argue logically then by all means resort to ad hominem attack.LMAO, Who is it with the problem of admitting they were wrong again? By the way, I blame your poor comprehension skills and low morals for trying to manufacture a point that you a can dispute.
You didn't follow my point well. In theory, a BSI sensor can capture 100% of light whereas a FSI can capture up to ~80% but DXO (love it or hate it) compares the R5 sensor vs A7Riii/iv and Z7 at the time of release...The tech used is vitally important to the outcome. A stacked sensor is better in almost every way except cost and power usage. Honestly, your argument will stand up to a use case of non-action photography, but when the action picks up, the needle swings clearly to the stacked sensor. Not to mention, the other improvements that come from being able to move data off the sensor at significant faster rates. This clearly is an advantage that has a bit of runway to use.
Like you said, setting the tone is offering a better value for money. Nikon has done just that here. I can't see how this body will not have a clear advantage on the entire mid to upper end of the market. Its a match for any flagship, only coming up short to them by the slightest of margins, all while costing significantly less. Its spec'ed better than all of its peers in many categories with two significant exceptions (slightly behind Canon and Sony in AF, and Sony's A7R5 in resolution), at only a slight price bump.
You have given 2 examples in the last 3 years to prove that the Z8 is unique?I just don't see how this body is just a matter fact release. I don't see this release being any less significant than the R5, A9, D500, or 5D in the past. No one has ever given the market flagship performance at mid level prices (the R5 was probably the closest, with the A9's elevated price being a close second).
Every new release will have some supply to support pre-orders. Some better than others. Having a feeling is one thing... there have been some where the shipping dates have slipped because of supply problems. The proof will be in their market share and profitability.We'll see if I'm right or wrong fairly soon, because Nikon is planning to flood the stores with a fairly strong supply from the release date. I feel like the proof will be in its adoption.
The Z8 is 3 years later than the R5. At no point am I saying that the Z8 is a bad camera. I am saying that technology in theory doesn't always translate to significant improvements in practice or whether they are even relevant to the majority of users given the cost disadvantage.Personally, I think its a good thing you don't care about the hardware advancement shown on the Z8, at the price point. I honestly don't think Canon is going to match this hardware decision for years to come. I really hope I'm wrong on this one, but I'm not holding my breath.