No 7D Mark II? [CR1]

[RLPhoto]

I think canon should revamp the eos line like this.

1Dx - flagship pro level awesomeness body. full frame.
5d3 - The all rounder camera with sweet resolution and decent fps. Full frame.
7D2 - high speed photojournalist/sport camera for less $. APS-H sensor, high fps.
70D - where the 7D really should have been. New aps-c sensor with high FPS.
Rebel - consumer grade ease of use and good IQ and a reasonable price.

Most of this is just a pipe dream though.

 

[zim]

Here’s my 2p worth’s prediction…… the replacement for the 7D, whatever it’s nomenclature will have f8 max app focusing.

 

[peederj]

I want an APS-C version of the 5D3 for reach purposes. To make my lens collection more versatile without sacrificing anything else. And I do think if 5D3 sales are good we'll be offered one.

I also want a T4i that at least matches the feature sets (and video detail!) of the mirrorless cameras in a small form factor so I don't feel jealous and want to buy adapters for my EF glass.

These are obvious desires I would think would form the base minimum a competent company would plan and deliver.

 

[aslw26]

[Prediction 1]

Canon said that it would never 'leave' the APS-H standard, with the merger of lines between 1Ds and 1D forming the 1DX, there would be no more APS-H sensor for the line. Where could the APS-H sensor go to? I think the next 7D.

[Prediction 2]

It wouldn't be a high-resolution sensor. If Canon insists it for the photojournalists/ sports photographer, than a huge megapixel count would cause it to need more processing and would in turn bring lesser burst rate (unless it has a super crazy processor). Lesser burst rate won't be good for such photographers right?

*These are just predictions of my wild brain.*

 

[darrellrhodesmiller]

i just dont see it..
here's how i see the future canon lineup

1DX
5DmkIII
maybe a cheaper full frame
70D
Rebel

60D and 7D are too close.. too many features are the same.. and the price difference isnt enough.. features just arent different enough..

i'm really looking forward to seeing how canon handles mirrorless. thats really what i'm looking forward to
D

 

[marekjoz]

i just dont see it..
here's how i see the future canon lineup

1DX
5DmkIII
maybe a cheaper full frame
70D
Rebel

60D and 7D are too close.. too many features are the same.. and the price difference isnt enough.. features just arent different enough..

i'm really looking forward to seeing how canon handles mirrorless. thats really what i'm looking forward to
D

There must be either a top line aps-c or mirrorless using ef-s

 

[darrellrhodesmiller]

why couldnt the 70D fit in as top of the line?

 

[dooboo]

Canon maybe revamping their product line, which started with 1 series with 1DX.

with 5D3 at different price points, Canon maybe thinking something totally different with 7 series bodies.

Just because Canon has been making certain body, doesn't mean they are going to continue down that path.

Maybe 5D3e for dumbed down FF at lower price point?

Maybe move the 7 series line to the lower cost FF. Maybe Canon will decide to skip a generation on making this switch then come back with FF body transformation. Maybe...

This way, all the xD series will be mostly FF, xxD will be semi-pro APS-c body, then Rebel TXi will be consumer line. I know I think way it makes sense to me.

I think Canon is going thru some transformation regarding product portfolio...and they are taking a top down approach, IMHO

 

[unfocused]

why couldnt the 70D fit in as top of the line?

Because the 7D is already the top of the line.

 

[dawgfanjeff]

As a non-pro, but discriminating 7D shooter that upgraded from Rebel world when it came out, I am thrilled with my 7D, but I am aware of its limitations. The AF alone made that a no-brainer. I have way too many kid/dog/sports shots that would be usable if not for missed focus. All the other 7D stuff was icing on the cake. That said, I unfortunately cannot claim noticeably better IQ of equally focused shots. I hate noise, I really do, but have come to live with it rather than have a nice clean image of a blurry dog jumping for a tennis ball.
This makes the 5DIII potentially the perfect upgrade for me. I'd already be a 5DII shooter it not for the AF.
Seems like a 7DII that emphasized IQ, at same MP, $1k cheaper than the MKIII, they'd have a hard time keeping then stocked.

 

[AnselA]

There is plenty of pricing and design room for a 7D Mark II. It would stay as the top prosumer camera. There are features that would make it attractive for action shooters that could be added w/out damaging any of the DSLR line: better low light performance (less noise), improved IQ, 61 AF metering system, match the 5D Mark III video, and a faster focusing system. I would be queued up right away at $1,600.

 

[takoman46]

There is plenty of pricing and design room for a 7D Mark II. It would stay as the top prosumer camera. There are features that would make it attractive for action shooters that could be added w/out damaging any of the DSLR line: better low light performance (less noise), improved IQ, 61 AF metering system, match the 5D Mark III video, and a faster focusing system. I would be queued up right away at $1,600.

That sounds like way too many features to fit a $1600 price point. I think if they were to make a detuned aps-c version of the 5DmkIII it would have to be at least $2500. Also, with all those features and a $1600 price tag, don't you think that would hurt sales of 5DmkIII's and even 1DX's? There would be a ton of people choosing the 7D over a 5 or 1 series because they believe it's the better bang for your buck.

 

[AnselA]

I don't think so b/c the sensor would still be APC in my scenario and besides many of the features on this ff cameras will migrate down even to the Rebels. Why not start with the next level down camera. Those that want ff will not compromise but I am more interested in keeping the reach I have but adding especially better low light and IQ performance.

 

[unfocused]

There is plenty of pricing and design room for a 7D Mark II. It would stay as the top prosumer camera. There are features that would make it attractive for action shooters that could be added w/out damaging any of the DSLR line: better low light performance (less noise), improved IQ, 61 AF metering system, match the 5D Mark III video, and a faster focusing system. I would be queued up right away at $1,600.

That sounds like way too many features to fit a $1600 price point. I think if they were to make a detuned aps-c version of the 5DmkIII it would have to be at least $2500. Also, with all those features and a $1600 price tag, don't you think that would hurt sales of 5DmkIII's and even 1DX's? There would be a ton of people choosing the 7D over a 5 or 1 series because they believe it's the better bang for your buck.

$1,600 is probably too aggressive, but I wouldn't be surprised to see something around $1,800-$2,000. Not necessarily with quite those specs, but some incremental improvements over the current model with most of the emphasis placed on sensor improvements.

As far as hurting sales of the 5DIII or 1Dx, Canon doesn't seem to be overly concerned about cutting into sales of one model with another. They would have never released the 5DIII with the features it has if they were worried about protecting the 1Dx. And, look at the clustering of Rebels and the 60D – barely any differentiation between those models.

In the current competitive marketplace, making sure they have an model that can retain existing customers and draw new customers from other brands seems to be taking precedence over protecting one model over another.

 

[smirkypants]

Mentioned this elsewhere but it belongs more here. Remember, the DX mode of the D800 is a 16MP 1.5 crop mode, and by all accounts the image quality is pretty good. If we can get that in a 7D2 I know I'd be pretty happy... if it could do 8FPS and bump up the MP to 18.

It does seem the winds of change are running against crop sensors now, though...

 

[Marsu42]

That sounds like way too many features to fit a $1600 price point. I think if they were to make a detuned aps-c version of the 5DmkIII it would have to be at least $2500. Also, with all those features and a $1600 price tag, don't you think that would hurt sales of 5DmkIII's and even 1DX's?

If the s* hits the fan with Nikon and Sony full frame competition, Canon might do unexpected things to keep people on their platform, continue to have large production quantities that dampen costs and keep selling lenses and other equipment. They can sell a budget ff body and then make money selling the 24-70ii and the 600rt... and looking at Canon's business results, there seems to be some air left in their current price tags.

 

[awinphoto]

That sounds like way too many features to fit a $1600 price point. I think if they were to make a detuned aps-c version of the 5DmkIII it would have to be at least $2500. Also, with all those features and a $1600 price tag, don't you think that would hurt sales of 5DmkIII's and even 1DX's?

If the s* hits the fan with Nikon and Sony full frame competition, Canon might do unexpected things to keep people on their platform, continue to have large production quantities that dampen costs and keep selling lenses and other equipment. They can sell a budget ff body and then make money selling the 24-70ii and the 600rt... and looking at Canon's business results, there seems to be some air left in their current price tags.

With the price increase of the 5d3 and the lowering in price of the 5d2, I could see a 7d2 coming in around 1800-2000... Nikon isn't going to stop producing the D300-400 line/series/whatever and Canon will have to compete for this market of customers... I could see them doing a 19-20MP sensor... clean ISO's through 3200-6400 maybe expanded up to 25k-52k. HDR, refined AF, new video compression, heck maybe even an innovative new feature or two... see how it fairs... articulated magnesium screen? Canon isn't about losing model classes or revenue by just having an xxd camera series and a $3500 5d3.

 

[unfocused]

Mentioned this elsewhere but it belongs more here. Remember, the DX mode of the D800 is a 16MP 1.5 crop mode, and by all accounts the image quality is pretty good. If we can get that in a 7D2 I know I'd be pretty happy... if it could do 8FPS and bump up the MP to 18.

It does seem the winds of change are running against crop sensors now, though...

I think crop sensors will be around for quite some time.

Convergence is happening of course – The incremental quality between full frame and APS-C is narrowing and I suspect that the incremental cost of producing APS-C and full frame is also narrowing. Still, there remains a difference and there probably will be one for quite some time. For the foreseeable future, I imagine it will remain cheaper to produce an APS-C sensor and the quality of the full frame sensor will continue to be slightly better. Just a matter of degrees.

In addition, I think the crop advantages of the APS-C sensor will remain hard to replicate in a full frame for quite some time. Cropping from a full frame is a compromise and at this point, not a very convenient one. There is no reason why the two cameras won't continue to co-exist for quite some time. Indeed, from the manufacturers' standpoint, they probably prefer to have both formats.

 

[marcust]

No video
No pop up flash
Dual card slots
Improve ISO noise
Increase shutter high speed to the high teens, low twenty's
Keep the MP count around 16 or 18
Eliminate the green box, Av,Tv,M,C1,C2,C3 only
Street price 3 k..

 

[x-vision]

i just dont see it..
here's how i see the future canon lineup

1DX
5DmkIII
maybe a cheaper full frame <-- or just the 5DII ... until the 5DmkIII price starts dropping
70D
Rebel

My thoughts exactly.

A mirrorless camera is a posibility too.