Not a Canon vs. Nikon Thread

[KeithR]

IMO, it is simple.

Canon failed to predict nikon completely.

I don't believe for a second that Canon even tries to second-guess Nikon.

Canon has its own strategy (which most people are very happy to buy into - the whiners on the internet don't represent the great majority of Canon users out there) and carries on regardless, secure in the knowledge that even cameras the whiners insist are the worst things ever to come out of a camera-maker's doors, will sell like hot cakes.

And they do.

 

[KeithR]

the nikon guys who bought a D700 did it for the low light performance regardless of the low pixel count.

Not because that's all there was if they wanted FF and didn't want/didn't want to spend the money on, a pro "brick"?

I think you'll find that for many, that was indeed the reason for them buying the D700.

 

[Marsu42]

By that I mean that I consider good conversion and PP skills to be essential aspects of a professional 'tog's skill-set [...] But here's the bigger point: pixel density doesn't matter. Sensor size is what dictates high(er) ISO IQ (all things being equal, which they're not if we're talking across generations of sensor)

+1 for that - but please don't spread the fact about pp being important, I might try to earn some money sometime with this

Another thing that isn't as highly regarded as sensor size and iso noise is the usability of the body and the on-board software. I'd say it's easier to shoot good pictures if you're not fumbling with your camera and have advanced software capabilities like with magic lantern (which is the reason I didn't get a Nikon).

 

[psolberg]

IMO, it is simple.

Canon failed to predict nikon completely.

I don't believe for a second that Canon even tries to second-guess Nikon.

Canon has its own strategy (which most people are very happy to buy into - the whiners on the internet don't represent the great majority of Canon users out there) and carries on regardless, secure in the knowledge that even cameras the whiners insist are the worst things ever to come out of a camera-maker's doors, will sell like hot cakes.

And they do.

sorry but they do every company looks over their shoulder at what the competition is up to. specially in high dollar business like these. if you think canon doesn't follow nikon and vice versa, then you haven't watch the camera business for long.

 

[KeithR]

then you haven't watch the camera business for long.

Watching it VERY carefully for a number of years, actually.

I expected a comment like this, so here's a question for you: point out to me any recent Canon DSLR which is unequivocally and obviously a direct reaction to a Nikon release, or any Nikon that is clearly a direct response to a Canon...

There aren't any. Each company continues to go its own way, very carefully not stepping on the other's toes.

And it has been like that for a long time: loads of overlaps, but hardly any - if any at all - directly comparable/competing cameras.

Like I say, I've been watching. But I've also been taking notice.

 

[Marsu42]

I expected a comment like this, so here's a question for you: point out to me any recent Canon DSLR which is unequivocally and obviously a direct reaction to a Nikon release, or any Nikon that is clearly a direct response to a Canon...

60D vs D7000? This was the competition I chose from, but of course it is hard to say if the D7000 was a "response" because I don't know what Nikon knew about the Canon product maps when they released their 16MP body shortly after the again 18MP 60D.

 

[K-amps]

IMO, it is simple.

Canon failed to predict nikon completely.

I don't believe for a second that Canon even tries to second-guess Nikon.

Canon has its own strategy (which most people are very happy to buy into - the whiners on the internet don't represent the great majority of Canon users out there) and carries on regardless, secure in the knowledge that even cameras the whiners insist are the worst things ever to come out of a camera-maker's doors, will sell like hot cakes.

And they do.

The internet is now becoming a much larger representation of the market than was 15 years back. Unless organizations adapt, they will relegate themselves to the dustbins of corporate history. Look what Amazon did to companies that ignored the reality of the internet.

Every company does an opportunity and threat analysis, it HAS to, in order to survive. The most common threat is a strong competitor. I agree though that organizations cannot survive on only listening to what you have described as "whiners" since some people are seldom pleased perhaps, but if either Canon or Nikon ignore the other, the gap between the 2 would grow.... no one wants to lose out.

In the good old days Consumer market research was done on word of mouth and asking the "sales person" and reading some reviews on mags. Now, people do all that on the internet (infact some zealots band together and try and predict new products too ;D ) ...