now this is what Canon should have started ten years ago

[martti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXwCGWb7Yg&spfreload=10

This BH photo/video is about the Sony a6000.
It is scary.
Sony is going to eat up the Canonists who have not been brainwashed as such as yet.
When I was talking about the UI (user interface) this is what I meant.
Sony is almost there but not quite yet. Close enough, though. I will shoot with the EF lenses with an adapter.
AF, AE with adapters...or...maybe I just get rid of the heavy glass.

An eye-opening video.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Why Sony does NOT done this 10 years ago? ???

Maybe would have avoided the financial losses and the current state of pre-bankruptcy for Sony ... :

 

[raptor3x]

Is he still claiming the 7D2 only does 6fps?

 

[Sabaki]

When is the best time to plant a tree?

 

[Keith_Reeder]

Sony is going to eat up the Canonists who have not been brainwashed as such as yet.

Sure. Right. That's what'll happen...

I don't think "brainwashed" means what you think it means. We don't use Canon because Hypnotoad told us to, but because the gear does what we need it to do.

Do you really not understand this point?

 

[dak723]

Why don't folks understand that people join a Canon site to discuss Canon cameras and enjoy interactions with fellow Canon users.

Please, people, ignore these constant threads advertising other camera makers. Yes, Sony, Nikon, Samsung _____ (fill in the blank), all make very good cameras. We know already.

 

[JonB8305]

Very informative video. I don't mind hearing about other tech instead of having a myopic canon only view. Thanks for posting, now when selecting another camera or system, I can be fully informed as to whats out there.

I come to Canon rumors because in addition to being a Canon shooter, the user interface of the forum is much nicer on the eyes and easier to follow along than sites like DPreview or Fred Miranda.

 

[ChristopherMarkPerez]

This is what I'm talking about when I way that the idea of "camera" is evolving very quickly. The level of system integration in these Sony cameras is outstanding and will only get better.

Your comment about EF lenses being heavy is, for me, an interesting way of looking at things. When small/light can be just as sharp, perhaps even more contrasty, more powerful and just as flexible as big/heavy why shoot big/heavy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXwCGWb7Yg&spfreload=10

This BH photo/video is about the Sony a6000.
It is scary.

...or...maybe I just get rid of the heavy glass.

An eye-opening video.

 

[Dylan777]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXwCGWb7Yg&spfreload=10

This BH photo/video is about the Sony a6000.
It is scary.
Sony is going to eat up the Canonists who have not been brainwashed as such as yet.
When I was talking about the UI (user interface) this is what I meant.
Sony is almost there but not quite yet. Close enough, though. I will shoot with the EF lenses with an adapter.
AF, AE with adapters...or...maybe I just get rid of the heavy glass.

An eye-opening video.

#1 mistake :

After owning all a7 series, I strongly believe RX1 is my most fav. compact system in Sony line up. I hope they come out a9s with pop-up EVF, just like RX100 III.

 

[tayassu]

My uncle wanted a camera for family shots and for product Images...
He asked me what to buy and I recommended this very camera, the Sony a6000 with the 16-70.
I had in my hands now for a day and I have to say I don't like the handling, I hate the JPEG engine and I'm not as impressed by the AF and the VF as several reviews stated I should be...
Sure, RAW IQ is nice, but other than that... It is a good choice for him as a relative noob, but wouldn't be an option for me...

 

[Tinky]

Personally I find it interesting to see where the manufacturers are at, especially in comparison to canon.

I like to hear about the caveats and pitfalls and hope that Canon is using their time to launch a sorted product rather than a headline grabber..

The USP that canon have is EF lenses.

That is still strong enough to lead the market.

What version of the Sony mount are we onto? How many fast aperture primes fit the A series? etc etc.

Sony make brilliant innovative gear. But then they switch paths. Canon are playing the long game.

Anybody who really needs a 36mp or 52mp camera will not be having this conversation... not if they need 36 or 52mp.

Anybody else still here? Good. Hello friends.

 

[Ruined]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXwCGWb7Yg&spfreload=10

This BH photo/video is about the Sony a6000.
It is scary.
Sony is going to eat up the Canonists who have not been brainwashed as such as yet.
When I was talking about the UI (user interface) this is what I meant.
Sony is almost there but not quite yet. Close enough, though. I will shoot with the EF lenses with an adapter.
AF, AE with adapters...or...maybe I just get rid of the heavy glass.

An eye-opening video.

What part of it was so amazing? Most of these innovations seem to apply to entry level consumers and those not knowledgable about cameras. He seemed to make a big deal about face tracking and a $7k camera not having that, but if you use a face tracking feature for your autofocus you probably are not skilled enough to be using a $7k camera in the first place.

 

[Tinky]

+1

Professional video autofocus has existed for many many years.

A trained experienced cameraman will put an evf to his eye and his fingers will turns the lens the right way enough automatically.

One great video technique is racking focus, this is great for tracking a moving subject, if af can do this then bprilliant...

but what if you want to rack focus between to fairly static folk at set moments in a scripted conversation, through a glass pane, with hustle and bustle reflected in the glass? with a waiter in the room moving around poupring winpe?

or if you don't want to track focus, if you want to use telephoto compressoon to isolate an abject at a given plane, say a bmx doing a jump...

video of is great great great for school sports days, for gramps at christmas. really happy they are getting it close to working for these kind of scenarios.

but the only folk who would use it on a £7k camera are folk who haven't the skillset to use a £7k camera or for whom a £7k camera will make no difference.

Still it's a free market. You see plenty of people driving range rovers that will never get muddy, porsches that will never have the edge of their grip tested, so why shouldn't talentless unskilled amateurs be able to buy otherwise professional camcorders that do everything for them.

In my event days when we would on budget jobs have 3x Pd150s rather than say 3x digibetads I would have any operator switching to af off the set.

Af does what it thinks, if you are using a professional camera then the operator and director should be doing the thinking.

Stills guys won't get this. It's a contiguous brick wall I bang my head against, sometime softly, sometimes sharply.

 

[Old Sarge]

When is the best time to plant a tree?

Twenty years ago. The second best time is now.

 

[wsmith96]

When is the best time to plant a tree?

PrivateByDesign has the answer to this in his signature

 

[mpphoto]

My uncle wanted a camera for family shots and for product Images...
He asked me what to buy and I recommended this very camera, the Sony a6000 with the 16-70.
I had in my hands now for a day and I have to say I don't like the handling, I hate the JPEG engine and I'm not as impressed by the AF and the VF as several reviews stated I should be...
Sure, RAW IQ is nice, but other than that... It is a good choice for him as a relative noob, but wouldn't be an option for me...

I bought the a6000 to give mirrorless a try and to see what the fuss is about. I also wanted something smaller and lighter than my Canon DSLRs.

The electronic viewfinder works fine for me. I spent several years using a PowerShot S5 IS, so the EVF didn't take much getting used to. I wasn't blown away by the autofocus. It was fast, but didn't feel faster or more accurate than a 5D3 or 70D. The AF isn't perfect; it hunted annoyingly in a few instances.

As for the basic kit lenses, the tiny 16-50mm powerzoom is just OK and I do not like the 55-210mm telephoto zoom. The 55-210 is small and light, but it is not sharp and the f/6.3 aperture is just too slow even in cloudy conditions. The Canon EF-S 55-250 IS STM with a Metabones adapter produces great images on the a6000, but without autofocus. That brings me to one of my favorite things about the a6000 - focus peaking. It makes manual focusing so easy. I see many posts about the quality of high ISO images from Sony sensors, but I'm not seeing it. I don't shoot over ISO 1600, and even at that moderate ISO I don't like the noise. I don't know if the Sony is noisier than the Canon crop bodies I have used, or if I just prefer the look of the noise from the Canons. I do pixel peep.

The user interface of the a6000 is decent, and the face-finding autofocus works well. I do like the portraits I have taken with the a6000, but I can get similar or better results from a Canon. The body is put together well, but feels fragile to me. I feel like a Canon DSLR will stand up better against bumps and the environment. For me, the buttons are too close together and don't feel as good as Canon's. I usually shoot in Aperture priority, and on the Sony my thumb keeps hitting the top scroll wheel, changing the aperture. There isn't much of a thumb rest on the back, though the grip in front is OK.

The a6000 is great for walking around town because it is small and light, and it can produce some good photos with the right lenses. I wish there were good E-mount zooms that didn't cost an arm and a leg so I don't have to carry several primes. I could pop on one of my Canon zoom lenses with the adapter, but there goes the compactness.

My feelings are mixed about the a6000. It's good enough, but given the hype, I think it should be better. For me, it just isn't as good as a 70D or 60D. I want to like it, but I feel like I have to work harder to get a good photo from the a6000 than I do with a Canon product. The only time I choose the a6000 is when I want to travel light or want to challenge myself.

If Canon comes out with an awesome replacement for the EOS M, I'll probably ditch the a6000.

 

[sanj]

My uncle wanted a camera for family shots and for product Images...
He asked me what to buy and I recommended this very camera, the Sony a6000 with the 16-70.
I had in my hands now for a day and I have to say I don't like the handling, I hate the JPEG engine and I'm not as impressed by the AF and the VF as several reviews stated I should be...
Sure, RAW IQ is nice, but other than that... It is a good choice for him as a relative noob, but wouldn't be an option for me...

I bought the a6000 to give mirrorless a try and to see what the fuss is about. I also wanted something smaller and lighter than my Canon DSLRs.

The electronic viewfinder works fine for me. I spent several years using a PowerShot S5 IS, so the EVF didn't take much getting used to. I wasn't blown away by the autofocus. It was fast, but didn't feel faster or more accurate than a 5D3 or 70D. The AF isn't perfect; it hunted annoyingly in a few instances.

As for the basic kit lenses, the tiny 16-50mm powerzoom is just OK and I do not like the 55-210mm telephoto zoom. The 55-210 is small and light, but it is not sharp and the f/6.3 aperture is just too slow even in cloudy conditions. The Canon EF-S 55-250 IS STM with a Metabones adapter produces great images on the a6000, but without autofocus. That brings me to one of my favorite things about the a6000 - focus peaking. It makes manual focusing so easy. I see many posts about the quality of high ISO images from Sony sensors, but I'm not seeing it. I don't shoot over ISO 1600, and even at that moderate ISO I don't like the noise. I don't know if the Sony is noisier than the Canon crop bodies I have used, or if I just prefer the look of the noise from the Canons. I do pixel peep.

The user interface of the a6000 is decent, and the face-finding autofocus works well. I do like the portraits I have taken with the a6000, but I can get similar or better results from a Canon. The body is put together well, but feels fragile to me. I feel like a Canon DSLR will stand up better against bumps and the environment. For me, the buttons are too close together and don't feel as good as Canon's. I usually shoot in Aperture priority, and on the Sony my thumb keeps hitting the top scroll wheel, changing the aperture. There isn't much of a thumb rest on the back, though the grip in front is OK.

The a6000 is great for walking around town because it is small and light, and it can produce some good photos with the right lenses. I wish there were good E-mount zooms that didn't cost an arm and a leg so I don't have to carry several primes. I could pop on one of my Canon zoom lenses with the adapter, but there goes the compactness.

My feelings are mixed about the a6000. It's good enough, but given the hype, I think it should be better. For me, it just isn't as good as a 70D or 60D. I want to like it, but I feel like I have to work harder to get a good photo from the a6000 than I do with a Canon product. The only time I choose the a6000 is when I want to travel light or want to challenge myself.

If Canon comes out with an awesome replacement for the EOS M, I'll probably ditch the a6000.

Well said.

 

[troppobash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXwCGWb7Yg&spfreload=10

This BH photo/video is about the Sony a6000.
It is scary.
Sony is going to eat up the Canonists who have not been brainwashed as such as yet.
When I was talking about the UI (user interface) this is what I meant.
Sony is almost there but not quite yet. Close enough, though. I will shoot with the EF lenses with an adapter.
AF, AE with adapters...or...maybe I just get rid of the heavy glass.

An eye-opening video.

What part of it was so amazing? Most of these innovations seem to apply to entry level consumers and those not knowledgable about cameras. He seemed to make a big deal about face tracking and a $7k camera not having that, but if you use a face tracking feature for your autofocus you probably are not skilled enough to be using a $7k camera in the first place.

+1

 

[martti]

"He seemed to make a big deal about face tracking and a $7k camera not having that, but if you use a face tracking feature for your autofocus you probably are not skilled enough to be using a $7k camera in the first place."

Of course all the skills you have thus far acquired are instantly forgotten the moment you use face tracking or eye focusing of this devilish new technology. You should not ever even try them. You might have to change your opinions and Serious Photographers do not do that...this is turning into a religious kind of an argument so I leave it here.

 

[Hjalmarg1]

My uncle wanted a camera for family shots and for product Images...
He asked me what to buy and I recommended this very camera, the Sony a6000 with the 16-70.
I had in my hands now for a day and I have to say I don't like the handling, I hate the JPEG engine and I'm not as impressed by the AF and the VF as several reviews stated I should be...
Sure, RAW IQ is nice, but other than that... It is a good choice for him as a relative noob, but wouldn't be an option for me...

I bought the a6000 to give mirrorless a try and to see what the fuss is about. I also wanted something smaller and lighter than my Canon DSLRs.

The electronic viewfinder works fine for me. I spent several years using a PowerShot S5 IS, so the EVF didn't take much getting used to. I wasn't blown away by the autofocus. It was fast, but didn't feel faster or more accurate than a 5D3 or 70D. The AF isn't perfect; it hunted annoyingly in a few instances.

As for the basic kit lenses, the tiny 16-50mm powerzoom is just OK and I do not like the 55-210mm telephoto zoom. The 55-210 is small and light, but it is not sharp and the f/6.3 aperture is just too slow even in cloudy conditions. The Canon EF-S 55-250 IS STM with a Metabones adapter produces great images on the a6000, but without autofocus. That brings me to one of my favorite things about the a6000 - focus peaking. It makes manual focusing so easy. I see many posts about the quality of high ISO images from Sony sensors, but I'm not seeing it. I don't shoot over ISO 1600, and even at that moderate ISO I don't like the noise. I don't know if the Sony is noisier than the Canon crop bodies I have used, or if I just prefer the look of the noise from the Canons. I do pixel peep.

The user interface of the a6000 is decent, and the face-finding autofocus works well. I do like the portraits I have taken with the a6000, but I can get similar or better results from a Canon. The body is put together well, but feels fragile to me. I feel like a Canon DSLR will stand up better against bumps and the environment. For me, the buttons are too close together and don't feel as good as Canon's. I usually shoot in Aperture priority, and on the Sony my thumb keeps hitting the top scroll wheel, changing the aperture. There isn't much of a thumb rest on the back, though the grip in front is OK.

The a6000 is great for walking around town because it is small and light, and it can produce some good photos with the right lenses. I wish there were good E-mount zooms that didn't cost an arm and a leg so I don't have to carry several primes. I could pop on one of my Canon zoom lenses with the adapter, but there goes the compactness.

My feelings are mixed about the a6000. It's good enough, but given the hype, I think it should be better. For me, it just isn't as good as a 70D or 60D. I want to like it, but I feel like I have to work harder to get a good photo from the a6000 than I do with a Canon product. The only time I choose the a6000 is when I want to travel light or want to challenge myself.

If Canon comes out with an awesome replacement for the EOS M, I'll probably ditch the a6000.

Very good explanation. I would like Canon to bring something at this level with the EOS-M so I can shoot only Canon but now the a6000 is way better. Lens line up for mirrorless is limited though.