Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II

[Loswr]

The selected point appears when I activate AF (I use rear-button AF). However, I cannot move it until I first hit the AF mode selection button...then that frees the AF point to be moved somewhere else with the joystick. In other modes, I just have to activate AF, then I can move the selected point with the joystick without the intermediate requirement of pressing AF mode first.

I use back-button AF, I just tap the AF-ON button then I can move the joystick to move the AF point (even after I've released the AF-ON button, although as I stated above, moving the AF point 'times out' just like the metering). That's in all modes, including AI Servo + 61-pt auto.

 

[AmselAdans]

10 FPS and the shutter is rated for 200.000 shots... so I buy this camera and already after 5,5 hours of continuous shooting, the camera will break down at the very first day of its use! What a crap!!
And then this awful sensor, which we all may already judge accordingly, non-biased and objective based on our infinite wisedom about A/D converters, NR, and 5DIII manuals without having seen a single sample picture....

 

[Don Haines]

Is "EV -3 AF" another way of saying lenses can auto focus at f/8? E.g. will I be able to use auto focus with my 100-400 and 1.4x extender?

-3 AF on a crop sensor is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

Like on the new Canadian subs..... The deepest diving submarines in the world! They can go all the way to the bottom

 

[AmselAdans]

Is "EV -3 AF" another way of saying lenses can auto focus at f/8? E.g. will I be able to use auto focus with my 100-400 and 1.4x extender?

-3 AF on a crop sensor is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

awful dynamic range in this picture. Must be shot with one of those crappy sensors a company named "Canon" produces.
sorry for the trolling, guys, couldn't resist.

I think the specs of the 7D MkII are fine. It hoped for something surprising on top of these specs. I think in this case, its the price tag - around 1600-1800 € is nothing for this feature list.
And for Canon we know that the included features indeed work very well. Features on paper is a whole other story.

 

[Aglet]

Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II is not exciting enough

7d2 is pretty much as expected, AF and metering is skookum but no mention of any improvement in low ISO performance or any new tech to alleviate FPN issues which, more so with dual processors, can risk generating striped deep shadows as many 7d bodies did.
I'm not compelled to buy one at the intro price only to get some AF abilities my Nikon's already have an equivalent to and I seriously doubt it would satisfy my landscape requirements for the few shots I'd throw its way if I had it. I don't do enough BiF or fast action shots for this to be a worthwhile buy.

Nope, sorry Canon, 7d2 isn't exciting me unless I see NO FPN when I test it.
I'll have to shoot some dark frames with it to see how noisy the output is but, for now, any cash I have is more likely to go to a new 44" Epson or HP printer (their inks seem to stick better) to help cash flow in.

Panasonic & Olympus have some exciting goodies coming out though, even Samsung's new mirrorless catches my attention. Canon didn't innovate this year.

 

[3kramd5]

-3 AF on a crop sensor is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

I wouldn't mind being able to achieve AF lock in -3EV for flash photography without using an assist beam.

 

[PureClassA]

Is "EV -3 AF" another way of saying lenses can auto focus at f/8? E.g. will I be able to use auto focus with my 100-400 and 1.4x extender?

-3 AF on a crop sensor is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

Like on the new Canadian subs..... The deepest diving submarines in the world! They can go all the way to the bottom

Canadian Sub? Who the hell is the Captain? The Cat in The Hat?! ;D

 

[Click]

Like on the new Canadian subs..... The deepest diving submarines in the world! They can go all the way to the bottom

Ha Ha Ha ;D

 

[Eldar]

Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II is not exciting enough

7d2 is pretty much as expected, AF and metering is skookum but no mention of any improvement in low ISO performance ...

Then I think you should read some of the issued statements again. Low ISO is clearly addressed.

 

[PureClassA]

Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II is not exciting enough

Nope, sorry Canon, 7d2 isn't exciting me unless I see NO FPN when I test it.
I'll have to shoot some dark frames with it to see how noisy the output is but, for now, any cash I have is more likely to go to a new 44" Epson or HP printer (their inks seem to stick better) to help cash flow in.

Just shoot with the lens cap on and push it 5 stops...... :

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II is not exciting enough

7d2 is pretty much as expected, AF and metering is skookum but no mention of any improvement in low ISO performance ...

Then I think you should read some of the issued statements again. Low ISO is clearly addressed.

Which statements?

I saw some talk about High ISO, but none about low so far.

 

[Eldar]

Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II is not exciting enough

7d2 is pretty much as expected, AF and metering is skookum but no mention of any improvement in low ISO performance ...

Then I think you should read some of the issued statements again. Low ISO is clearly addressed.

Which statements?

I saw some talk about High ISO, but none about low so far.

He he, good point. Maybe I should read before I type

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Quick impression from the press releases:

Anyway the speed and AF and all sounds like out of the park, awesome.

The sensor is what it is. It would be DOA for a 5D4, but it's probably OK for a 7D2 (although not ideal and I certainly feel for the one body shooters who'd use this as their main landscape cam too, it'll still do 100% fine for many of those shots, but will struggle for any higher DR scenes and the colro filter array has been made even yet more color-blind).

The video looks pretty punted though in terms of quality. The video AF might be useful though.

If you don't hit DR-limited scenes much and never shoot video it's a total home run. Grand slam even (assuming it lives up to the words).

If you were looking to it for video it's a D+ if you care about all things plus video quality. If you don't care about the video quality so much at all, it's maybe B to A- depending upon unknown UI factors. No 1080pRAW, no 4k, apparently the same old smeary, squishy 1080 Canon DSLR-style 1080p. Vstly better video AF though and hopefully 2 stops better video SNR over the 7D (unless a few vague, hard to believe rumors about it still line skipping are true, not sure how that could be, it has so much power).

If you wanted an action cam plus great all around aps-c sensor it's mixed, probably truly great on the one hand and stuck in 2007 and not quite so hot on the other (although the not so hot part only affecting a sub-set of possible images, I'm sure it will be more than fine for all the rest).

 

[3kramd5]

The sensor is what it is. It would be DOA for a 5D4

I agree, APS-C in a 5D4 would be DOA

But if they maintained pixel density in a full frame format, I'd be early in line.

 

[AmselAdans]

Just compared comments here and on dpreview.
Dpreview's comments are just like the ones on youtube. You just don't want to read them or you lose your faith in humanity.
CR is more like some weird fetish forum...
Both are fine when you want to have a good laugh.

 

[AmselAdans]

from dpreview's comments section: (pure comedy gold)
User Photato writes:
"I was expecting:

-Much better image quality [...] has anyone seen a picture out of the camera yet?
[...]
-Touch Screen. It has interesting professional uses. I would love to hear about the professional uses for touch screens. I for myself -being a pure amateur- keep pushing touch screens with my fingers. There must be something I don't know about.
-Many other creative solutions that are expected from a "leading" camera company. I love how specific "many other creative solutions" is I want this and this and that aaaand above all, many other cool things I don't know about exactly. Because I know, what I want if I would see it."

 

[PureClassA]

Anyway the speed and AF and all sounds like out of the park, awesome.

The sensor is what it is. It would be DOA for a 5D4, but it's probably OK for a 7D2 (although not ideal and I certainly feel for the one body shooters who'd use this as their main landscape cam too).

The video looks pretty punted though in terms of quality.

If you don't hit DR-limited scenes much and never shoot video it's a total home run. Grand slam even (assuming it lives up to the words).

If you were looking to it for video it's a D+.

If you wanted an action cam plus great all around aps-c sensor it's mixed, great on the one hand and stuck in 2007 on the other.

I'll preface this by saying I don't really shoot video but that said, I think it will hold it's own pretty well considering the smooth AF it appears to have from the Canon promo "Cello" and the "Making of Cello" I think will be a hit with the entry level video guys especially when coupled with the lens system Canon has. Granted, it's not a nice as the 5d3 video, but that wasn't to be expected. Physics. However, that short they made at 3200 ISO looked pretty darn good and the focus racking looked darn good to me. Put that little camera with a Ninja and it's a good little set up I'm betting.

 

[stinson001]

Greetings,,, Sorry if I have missed this in this long thread, but has there been any mention of a time frame for availablity? I see Adorama and B&H offering pre-orders, just wondering how much longer we will hae to wait?

 

[AmselAdans]

Greetings,,, Sorry if I have missed this in this long thread, but has there been any mention of a time frame for availablity? I see Adorama and B&H offering pre-orders, just wondering how much longer we will hae to wait?

17th of November it says somewhere.

 

[PureClassA]

Greetings,,, Sorry if I have missed this in this long thread, but has there been any mention of a time frame for availablity? I see Adorama and B&H offering pre-orders, just wondering how much longer we will hae to wait?

Stated arrival is November 17th