One other hoped-for feature on the 7D2

[luckydude]

I have read complaints about not having EC using auto ISO in a manual mode and I usually considered it a silly argument, probably because of my age and being a film user for three fourths (plus) of my life. Reading this discussion has changed my attitude. Although I am primarily a TV man (and have been since my Canon F-1), I can really see using manual mode with auto ISO if EC were available much of the time. But the EC would have to be easy to set, a wheel or rocker arm would seem to be best but there isn't really enough real estate for another wheel on most bodies. Solve that problem and I think it is a good idea I would like to see implemented. How does the 1DX do it?

Dunno on the 1DX but looking at the buttons on a 5DIII or a 7D could the joystick be pressed into service? Not perfect but seems like it might work or does it have a use already?

 

[FEBS]

How does the 1DX do it?

In the pdf http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/education/technical/eos_1d_x_explained/AF%20guide_EOS-1DX_V2_eng.pdf you can find on page 28 a possible solution for assigning EC to a button.

Be patient: it will take some time to open this pdf.

They assign EC to the set button. Afterwards you can change easily the EC by pushing SET and turning the mail dial.

 

[Bob Howland]

I have both a 7D and 5D3 and, no, EC doesn't work with auto-ISO in M with either one. And you're not the only one who very much wishes it did.

There is another gotcha with auto-ISO in M, that being how the camera responds when auto ISO hits its max or min, mostly its min. This is mostly an issue on partly cloudy days during hectic days at the race track. When the sun comes out from the clouds, the auto-ISO setting can easily go below 100. The user should be able to tell the camera to use a faster shutter speed or to stop down the lens in that case. Nikon apparently does a much better job with this issue.

Adding these features is just firmware, meaning really easy to fix.

 

[FEBS]

I have both a 7D and 5D3 and, no, EC doesn't work with auto-ISO in M with either one.

Canon has only one of the current bodys that has the possibility of EC in M, that's the 1Dx

 

[scyrene]

I'd love this! Can it be added with a firmware update, or is there some reason why the 1Dx can do it but not, say, the 5DIII?

 

[FEBS]

I'd love this! Can it be added with a firmware update, or is there some reason why the 1Dx can do it but not, say, the 5DIII?

Canon did add this feature in a firmware update for the 1Dx during the last year. They didn't do that for any other body, so 5Diii, 7D, 70D are all missing this feature right now.

 

[20Dave]

How does the 1DX do it?

In the pdf http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/education/technical/eos_1d_x_explained/AF%20guide_EOS-1DX_V2_eng.pdf you can find on page 28 a possible solution for assigning EC to a button.

Be patient: it will take some time to open this pdf.

They assign EC to the set button. Afterwards you can change easily the EC by pushing SET and turning the mail dial.

I just found that the 5DIII can fairly quickly change ISO as well (p. 327 of the manual), but it is disabled by default. You have to hold down the set button while turning the small dial next to the shutter button. You can't go into auto-ISO with this method, but you can go out of it and adjust the ISO while looking in the viewfinder. Not as straightforward as EC, but I'll give this a try.

Thanks

 

[crashpc]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

No, I actually understand your needs, would be happy to have this program in machines, but why in the world should this be in Manual mode? Manual is called manual, because it actually IS manual. I´d add your needs to some other program. Messing it all with EC + auto ISO is really wicked to want in manual mode.

 

[FEBS]

No, I actually understand your needs, would be happy to have this program in machines, but why in the world should this be in Manual mode? Manual is called manual, because it actually IS manual. I´d add your needs to some other program. Messing it all with EC + auto ISO is really wicked to want in manual mode.

Which program then?

av: aperture is chosen, shutter speed is calculated by metering, you might combine this with auto-ISO
TV: shutter speed is chosen, aperture is calculated by metering, you might combine this with auto-ISO
M: aperture and shutter speed is chosen, if ISO is chosen then you have full manual, if auto-ISO is chosen, then metering will calculate the needed ISO.

So, the place in the M program seems very logical to me, much better then adding a new program

 

[slclick]

My most hoped for feature? Announcement and release

 

[TexPhoto]

I do get a kick out of my friends who shoot manual, and drone on and on about it. But of course they are just watching the meter in the viewfinder...

I Use Manual Auto in some sports situations, and Yes, I'd like to have Exposure Compensation in this mode.

 

[East Wind Photography]

on the 5diii and 1dx you can program the set button to activate ISO on one of the wheels. Forget auto ISO since you will ultimately get more noise than you want. Use full manual and adjust ISO with set button and top wheel. I've even learned to fire the shutter with my middle finger when speed is of the essence.

 

[Old Sarge]

How does the 1DX do it?

In the pdf http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/education/technical/eos_1d_x_explained/AF%20guide_EOS-1DX_V2_eng.pdf you can find on page 28 a possible solution for assigning EC to a button.

Be patient: it will take some time to open this pdf.

They assign EC to the set button. Afterwards you can change easily the EC by pushing SET and turning the mail dial.

I'm too old to be patient. I don't even buy green bananas anymore. Thanks for the information, even though I'm old I love learning things.

 

[Loswr]

They assign EC to the set button. Afterwards you can change easily the EC by pushing SET and turning the mail dial.

Personally, I have the Set button assigned to magnify the image to 100% at the focus point, which is broadly useful. I just use the Q button to access it.

 

[FTb-n]

I shoot mostly in manual and do have my 5D3 configured with the SET button/top dial controlling ISO. But, it's awkward and I often forget to use it. When I need to change ISO quickly, I still press the ISO button then dial in the desired setting.

So, for manual mode, there are three ways to change a setting -- top dial, back dial, and SET/top dial. And, there are three exposure settings that one may wish to change with some frequency -- shutter speed, aperture, and ISO. Currently, with the 5D3, you can re-assign either dial to aperture and shutter speed. It would be nice to be able to re-assign any of these three modes to change settings to any of these three exposure settings. Personally, I'd like the top dial set to shutter speed, the back dial to ISO, and the SET/top dial to aperture.

 

[asmundma]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

Agree with last speaker. This is the nice feature of 1Dx compared to 5d3 (EC). Actually i am using this mode the most.
Missing auto iso on the 5D2, made me dislike the camra at the end.

 

[Zv]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

No, I actually understand your needs, would be happy to have this program in machines, but why in the world should this be in Manual mode? Manual is called manual, because it actually IS manual. I´d add your needs to some other program. Messing it all with EC + auto ISO is really wicked to want in manual mode.

And why not remove the metering indicator and focus confirmation in M mode while we're at it, eh? Hey why not have it disable ALL electronics while in M mode after all it should be pure manual, right??

 

[Luds34]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

Exactly! I don't understand not having EC when one is still relying on the camera to calculate exposure. Especially since Canon tends to underexpose in my experience, this would be quite useful. I'm almost always in one of two modes: Av, or M with auto ISO. It's that latter one I'm in a lot and wish I could often bias the exposure a bit brighter.

 

[tron]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

Exactly! I don't understand not having EC when one is still relying on the camera to calculate exposure. Especially since Canon tends to underexpose in my experience, this would be quite useful. I'm almost always in one of two modes: Av, or M with auto ISO. It's that latter one I'm in a lot and wish I could often bias the exposure a bit brighter.

Exactly, this feature is maybe the only one missing from 5D3. Since it can be done in firmware it is a pity that it is missing

 

[crashpc]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

No, I actually understand your needs, would be happy to have this program in machines, but why in the world should this be in Manual mode? Manual is called manual, because it actually IS manual. I´d add your needs to some other program. Messing it all with EC + auto ISO is really wicked to want in manual mode.

And why not remove the metering indicator and focus confirmation in M mode while we're at it, eh? Hey why not have it disable ALL electronics while in M mode after all it should be pure manual, right??

This is very low. You're making it extreme. I just want it to work as manual program. The metering is there to show what camera thinks of the scene. Not what you have to do. With manual mode and even other modes I rely more on histogram than on exposure meter. Automatic is not manual any more. It deserves to fall under program mode.