One other hoped-for feature on the 7D2

[Loswr]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

No, I actually understand your needs, would be happy to have this program in machines, but why in the world should this be in Manual mode? Manual is called manual, because it actually IS manual. I´d add your needs to some other program. Messing it all with EC + auto ISO is really wicked to want in manual mode.

And why not remove the metering indicator and focus confirmation in M mode while we're at it, eh? Hey why not have it disable ALL electronics while in M mode after all it should be pure manual, right??

This is very low. You're making it extreme. I just want it to work as manual program. The metering is there to show what camera thinks of the scene. Not what you have to do. With manual mode and even other modes I rely more on histogram than on exposure meter. Automatic is not manual any more. It deserves to fall under program mode.

Wicked?

Simple solution for you – don't set the ISO to Auto. It's not like that's mandatory. Since Auto ISO is available in the other modes, why not M? Or perhaps do away with Auto ISO...like the good old days of interchangeable sensors, a different one for every ISO and WB, and a limited number of exposures per sensor. What was that called again?

 

[Old Sarge]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

No, I actually understand your needs, would be happy to have this program in machines, but why in the world should this be in Manual mode? Manual is called manual, because it actually IS manual. I´d add your needs to some other program. Messing it all with EC + auto ISO is really wicked to want in manual mode.

And why not remove the metering indicator and focus confirmation in M mode while we're at it, eh? Hey why not have it disable ALL electronics while in M mode after all it should be pure manual, right??

This is very low. You're making it extreme. I just want it to work as manual program. The metering is there to show what camera thinks of the scene. Not what you have to do. With manual mode and even other modes I rely more on histogram than on exposure meter. Automatic is not manual any more. It deserves to fall under program mode.

Wicked?

Simple solution for you – don't set the ISO to Auto. It's not like that's mandatory. Since Auto ISO is available in the other modes, why not M? Or perhaps do away with Auto ISO...like the good old days of interchangeable sensors, a different one for every ISO and WB, and a limited number of exposures per sensor. What was that called again?

Film??? : My first 35mm camera, about 1956 or so, was manual...to the point that it didn't even have a light meter nor did I, at the age of fifteen, own one. Every picture was made by mentally evaluating the scene. And it is surprising how many keepers I got.

 

[Zv]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

No, I actually understand your needs, would be happy to have this program in machines, but why in the world should this be in Manual mode? Manual is called manual, because it actually IS manual. I´d add your needs to some other program. Messing it all with EC + auto ISO is really wicked to want in manual mode.

And why not remove the metering indicator and focus confirmation in M mode while we're at it, eh? Hey why not have it disable ALL electronics while in M mode after all it should be pure manual, right??

This is very low. You're making it extreme. I just want it to work as manual program. The metering is there to show what camera thinks of the scene. Not what you have to do. With manual mode and even other modes I rely more on histogram than on exposure meter. Automatic is not manual any more. It deserves to fall under program mode.

No, the metering is there whether you like it or not in all modes, you can't switch it off unlike ..... AUTO ISO so you're argument there doesn't make sense. You can choose to use AUTO ISO or not it's just another tool like the meter or histogram - the camera is advising you of a recommended exposure by showing you an ISO value. (And what this thread was about is that we would then like to over-ride that value and therefore take back control!)

Just like in a car you can choose to use cruise control or not but it's you (hopefully and not one of them google self drive cars) that are calling the shots.

 

[justaCanonuser]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

+1
I agree much, EC in M mode would be a really nice feature of a 7D2

 

[FEBS]

Just like in a car you can choose to use cruise control or not but it's you (hopefully and not one of them google self drive cars) that are calling the shots.

+1
However, also in the car you decide at which speed you want to cruise, so that's manual. And what about the intelligent cruise controls that sees the car in front of you and does reduce speed in case it would be necessary. So, you don't drive on cruise control anymore then? I won't buy a car anymore without this type of cruise control. Just the same as I won't buy a body without the possibility to fix aperture and shutterspeed in combination with auto-iso and if that program is called M, just fine for me.

M means you decide on aperture AND shutterspeed, perhaps a better name could be AvTv, but it is rather called M in the past as there was no auto-iso at the moment the industry called this M, so we have to live with that. In M you have to choose nowadays for auto-iso of manual iso. In last case you are using fully manual, but how do you decide to get the right exposure? By trial and error or by using an external light exposure meter or by looking at the internal exposure meeting.

 

[Loswr]

...perhaps a better name could be AvTv, but it is rather called M in the past as there was no auto-iso at the moment the industry called this M

Pentax has a TAv mode (Av + Tv), as someone else pointed out in this thread or another, in addition to M mode.

Personally, I don't care what it's called (Nikon uses different symbols for Av and Tv), as long as the mode is available!

 

[eninja]

This feature is the first thing I look on Magic Lantern.
But I didn't find an answer.

Also means, this is also what im missing on 6D. I thought it was a bug at first.

Like they say, a bug is not a bug if it is documented or stated somewhere.

 

[Ale]

Auto-ISO + EC in M mode is something I've wanted Canon to include in their DSLRs for a long time. I like to shoot birds and many times there are situations where I would want to keep shutter and aperture locked while allowing the camera choose ISO, BUT still be able to adjust EC myself. This would be handy in situations like shooting against bright sky for example.

My current "solution" or workaround with 60D and 400mm f5.6L is to use Tv mode with auto-ISO and adjust EC if needed. This works mainly because for the most of the time I'm aperture limited and the aperture stays wide open. If there is a lot of light so that auto-ISO is already at minimum and the camera starts to adjust aperture, I then select faster shutter speed the keep the aperture at desired value (by default I use 1/1600s and adjust it if needed). However, I'm not quite sure about the "logic" that the camera uses between adjusting ISO or aperture as sometimes apeture starts to go smaller even if ISO is around 400 and there would still be some headroom to lower it down.