Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II

[viggen61]

Definitely high ISO & FPS over MP. Birds do NOT sit still!

(well. most of them...)

 

[Harry Muff]

You missed the third one… Availability.

 

[2n10]

Definitely high ISO, lower MP.

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

I have to wonder how many that voted for lower MP's and better ISO performance will then turn around and flame the 7d2 if it does in fact end up being low MP high ISO...lol

Ahhhh the 7d2, such a tricky camera to ponder. When I had mine, I rarely had the need to use the high speed - I generally had that turned off because it was just overkill - but then again, I am not a sports shooter!

I guess it can go either way ---a baby 1dx or a baby 5d3...I'd hope for the latter because unless it does have good performance at high ISO, it won't be a camera I will consider...

 

[tron]

You missed the third one… Availability.

;D

 

[sandymandy]

Iso 1600 only? no way

 

[tron]

I have to wonder how many that voted for lower MP's and better ISO performance will then turn around and flame the 7d2 if it does in fact end up being low MP high ISO...lol

Ahhhh the 7d2, such a tricky camera to ponder. When I had mine, I rarely had the need to use the high speed - I generally had that turned off because it was just overkill - but then again, I am not a sports shooter!

I guess it can go either way ---a baby 1dx or a baby 5d3...I'd hope for the latter because unless it does have good performance at high ISO, it won't be a camera I will consider...

I wouldn't complain for one. having a 5D2 and 5D3 I believe a 16MPx fast with high ISO capability 7DII would suit me fine. Plus 16MP*1.6*1.6 = 41 MP equivalent pixel density.
7D was somehow the baby 1D4 (somehow please don't start ... ) so it is natural for me a low MP high fps count high ISO camera (like 16MP 9fps 6400 max usable ISO) to be the baby 1DX.
Also I consider 6D a baby 5D3 (again ... somehow )

 

[RGF]

Tough choice – in the end, it all boils down to your definition of usable… Best option would be 24MP with very clean/usable (i.e. no patterned read-out/banding noise) pictures up to ISO 12800 8)

In creating this poll, I wanted to get people think about the trade offs. larger sensor, lower usable ISO, lower FPS. Usable ISO is for you to define. Perhaps a better way to state the difference is that at 16 MP, you would have +2 stops of S/N versus at 24 MP.

The thing I learned, perhaps Canon knows this too, that the people who answered this poll (which may be the potential buying public for this body) want better low light capability and higher FPS.

 

[ecka]

3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps

APs-H? Now come on, you know that ain't happening, it will be the good old 1.6 crop.

Also, a jack of all trades camera like that would compromise on certain things. With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming.

I'd much rather it be specialized ---optimized for whichever direction - do you want speed and high ISO, or big MP's? Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance (the good old DR debate), but that most certainly ain't happening if you go jack of all trades. Again, the 7d was very popular among sports and wildlife shooters, where FPS and ISO capabilities rule. the other camp is those stepping up from the rebel bodies but don't quite have the budget to go FF. I was one of those users, and while I loved the 7d for the time I had it, it wasn't the camera I needed.

The next 7d will mostly be a baby 1dx, lower mp's, high fps, some form of the 1dx AF, and much better performance at high ISO's.

 

[Hobby Shooter]

3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps

APs-H? Now come on, you know that ain't happening, it will be the good old 1.6 crop.

Also, a jack of all trades camera like that would compromise on certain things. With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming.

I'd much rather it be specialized ---optimized for whichever direction - do you want speed and high ISO, or big MP's? Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance (the good old DR debate), but that most certainly ain't happening if you go jack of all trades. Again, the 7d was very popular among sports and wildlife shooters, where FPS and ISO capabilities rule. the other camp is those stepping up from the rebel bodies but don't quite have the budget to go FF. I was one of those users, and while I loved the 7d for the time I had it, it wasn't the camera I needed.

The next 7d will mostly be a baby 1dx, lower mp's, high fps, some form of the 1dx AF, and much better performance at high ISO's.

I agree with you here. I didn't vote as neither of the options seemed realistic. Baby 1Dx seems logical and also what many people wish for. Not me though. I'm happy with what I have at the moment and can't afford to get more bodies at this point.

 

[ecka]

3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps

APs-H? Now come on, you know that ain't happening, it will be the good old 1.6 crop.

Also, a jack of all trades camera like that would compromise on certain things. With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming.

I'd much rather it be specialized ---optimized for whichever direction - do you want speed and high ISO, or big MP's? Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance (the good old DR debate), but that most certainly ain't happening if you go jack of all trades. Again, the 7d was very popular among sports and wildlife shooters, where FPS and ISO capabilities rule. the other camp is those stepping up from the rebel bodies but don't quite have the budget to go FF. I was one of those users, and while I loved the 7d for the time I had it, it wasn't the camera I needed.

The next 7d will mostly be a baby 1dx, lower mp's, high fps, some form of the 1dx AF, and much better performance at high ISO's.

I agree with you here. I didn't vote as neither of the options seemed realistic. Baby 1Dx seems logical and also what many people wish for. Not me though. I'm happy with what I have at the moment and can't afford to get more bodies at this point.

Yes, it is just another "while-we-are-dreaming" option

However...

With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming

Why should we expect the same data processing speed? Both OP's options are more like current 7D variations.

Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance

6D is just like that.

 

[Hobby Shooter]

3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps

APs-H? Now come on, you know that ain't happening, it will be the good old 1.6 crop.

Also, a jack of all trades camera like that would compromise on certain things. With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming.

I'd much rather it be specialized ---optimized for whichever direction - do you want speed and high ISO, or big MP's? Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance (the good old DR debate), but that most certainly ain't happening if you go jack of all trades. Again, the 7d was very popular among sports and wildlife shooters, where FPS and ISO capabilities rule. the other camp is those stepping up from the rebel bodies but don't quite have the budget to go FF. I was one of those users, and while I loved the 7d for the time I had it, it wasn't the camera I needed.

The next 7d will mostly be a baby 1dx, lower mp's, high fps, some form of the 1dx AF, and much better performance at high ISO's.

I agree with you here. I didn't vote as neither of the options seemed realistic. Baby 1Dx seems logical and also what many people wish for. Not me though. I'm happy with what I have at the moment and can't afford to get more bodies at this point.

Yes, it is just another "while-we-are-dreaming" option

However...

With such a huge file size 8 FPS is dreaming

Why should we expect the same data processing speed? Both OP's options are more like current 7D variations.

Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance

6D is just like that.

An that's what a rumor forum is for ;D That's one of the reasons many of us are here.

 

[unfocused]

The thing I learned, perhaps Canon knows this too, that the people who answered this poll (which may be the potential buying public for this body) want better low light capability and higher FPS.

Well, the potential buying public needs to be more than 79 people.

Actually, I've always argued that the potential buying public for the 7DII will fall into about four intersecting categories:

Current 7D owners who are basically happy with the camera and are seeking some marginal improvements in all areas – essentially an APS-C version of the 5DIII with image quality equal to or better than the final generation of APS-H sensor;

Current 60D owners who are tired of the compromises and ready to step-up to the flagship APS-C model;

Sports and wildlife shooters who want the reach of APS-C, but also want a high frame rate, improved autofocus and improved image quality at higher ISOs;

Full frame shooters who want the additional flexibility of an APS-C body as a second body.

All of these markets can be satisfied with incremental improvements in what remains the best APS-C camera made even four years after its introduction.

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance

6D is just like that.

While i have the 6d, and yes it is a fine backup body to my 5d3, what I was referring to is the much rumored big MP body. I said LOW ISO performance, better IQ in the 100-800 range. The 6d shines in the high ISO.

 

[tron]

3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps

... with a flying elephant that will help us carry all our gear ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, don't get me wrong but as the OP said it's about compromise.
I don't believe that Canon can/will improve in all aspects in a new APS-C body...

 

[ecka]

Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance

6D is just like that.

While i have the 6d, and yes it is a fine backup body to my 5d3, what I was referring to is the much rumored big MP body. I said LOW ISO performance, better IQ in the 100-800 range. The 6d shines in the high ISO.

Yes, I like mine too. For now, ~20MP is enough, but if there was an option of high MP FF camera, let say ... 6.5D 50MP, 1fps, usable ISO 1600, for $2000 ... I would get it instead of 6D (specially if it was mirrorless ) )

 

[ecka]

3rd option:
28 MP APS-H, usable ISO 6400, 8 FPS + EF-S compatible in 18MP crop mode with 10fps

... with a flying elephant that will help us carry all our gear ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, don't get me wrong but as the OP said it's about compromise.
I don't believe that Canon can/will improve in all aspects in a new APS-C body...

They can, but they won't. Don't get me wrong, but OP's options are so ... 2011 SoNikon, really .
It is always about compromise, but I think that withholding progress for more or stable profit is a crime against humanity ... and they do it all the time, because they are profit-seeking companies.

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance

6D is just like that.

While i have the 6d, and yes it is a fine backup body to my 5d3, what I was referring to is the much rumored big MP body. I said LOW ISO performance, better IQ in the 100-800 range. The 6d shines in the high ISO.

Yes, I like mine too. For now, ~20MP is enough, but if there was an option of high MP FF camera, let say ... 6.5D 50MP, 1fps, usable ISO 1600, for $2000 ... I would get it instead of 6D (specially if it was mirrorless ) )

You are a dreamer!!!! 50MP body APS-C sensor for 2k? that sounds like what we'll have in 2020!

 

[ecka]

Canon does need to get a slow camera out there, optimized for IQ and low ISO performance

6D is just like that.

While i have the 6d, and yes it is a fine backup body to my 5d3, what I was referring to is the much rumored big MP body. I said LOW ISO performance, better IQ in the 100-800 range. The 6d shines in the high ISO.

Yes, I like mine too. For now, ~20MP is enough, but if there was an option of high MP FF camera, let say ... 6.5D 50MP, 1fps, usable ISO 1600, for $2000 ... I would get it instead of 6D (specially if it was mirrorless ) )

You are a dreamer!!!! 50MP body APS-C sensor for 2k? that sounds like what we'll have in 2020!

I was talking about FF, but, yes, I am a dreamer .